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And hello everybody I'm Rick Sanchez so glad that -- there where this this is just going to be.
Amazing the next how power as we take you through this because.
Well if nothing else to some of the pictures that we've been seeing so far not to mention the fact that there is a possibility that we could see smoke.
Again.
I mean we've already seen spoke earlier to.
Day and that meant that there had already been three votes that's if you include yesterday's vote and the two votes that they had today.
They're gonna take two more votes -- -- Sistine Chapel there where -- -- meeting right now these cardinals from all over the world.
And that means there's a possibility that will be seeing smoke again if that happens meantime we'll be showing these pictures there's -- right there.
That's what everybody on the streets there that Saint Peter's Square is following right now look at all those people.
And they don't care rain shine they're gonna be there there the faithful.
They are excited and they want to know what's gonna happen with the Catholic church and we select as we go -- this process of selecting.
The next Pope pride -- -- following things for us there in Rome.
Let's go through this one more time I try to explain -- -- folks as best I could as as I -- and you can help me with my home bad -- prior.
There have been three votes so far that means we've seen smoke twice once yesterday once today.
There is a possibility -- -- smoke again correct.
That's exactly right yesterday we had the first -- They only voted once today what happens is from here on out it's 2 votes in the morning.
2 votes in the evening and after each set of votes we see smoke now is that doesn't mean that so for instance right now we have the last -- today.
If the smoke comes out white.
That means obviously we have a -- if he comes out black that means that we'll all it's been five ballots and they still yet to decide on who's gonna leave the church.
Pope Benedict actually.
Both that it Pope Benedict the sixteenth made it on the fourth -- last year so.
Everyone's really looking at at this smokes the the to -- right now.
It's attitude it's it's the most packed it's been since we've been here and I think part of that is that most battalions here understand the process better than you and -- direct.
They know that today is more likely than any of the other days for a -- to happens everyone just packed in to the saint Peter's.
When we're gonna get we're ranks right.
Right we're gonna get to that in just a minute hold on hold on let me let me let me bring you back just a little bit here let's talk about yeah the process of voting and and you know we've talked about well we have had just -- about yet that is.
You know who's still at the top of the list I mean you know -- -- to -- that is somewhat like a draft or what's gonna know who's the guy's going to be chosen.
You and I talked about this yesterday and it still looked like school of -- Milan was that the very top it is that still the case.
Buzz this morning was an -- goal was still up top on top as well as Oscar -- It's rare -- -- Brazil as the top two candidates but also another emerged.
And somebody telling papers that's another cardinal from Brazil that's no doubt -- he's actually -- cardinal or rising star in Brazil.
The thought is that school and sure -- can actually cancel one -- one another out.
The voting that is the voting is going to be too close remember in order for a Pope and -- for cardinal to become Pope.
They need two thirds majority.
That 77.
Votes -- the Sistine Chapel right now what happens in the Sistine Chapel essentially the cardinals sit they -- in prayer.
There's no politicking each get a ballot.
About a squares of some white sheet of paper on top of it bad in -- I I'd vote for this high pontiff and and apple blank.
-- in -- which they write their candidacy at that point he literally fooled this ballot they go to the altar.
And in front of everyone presents.
Their ballot drop it into the -- and everyone does that and then attempt when he gets counted twice -- Twice by three sets of -- so two sets of three -- got the recount -- -- in three other cardinals to check the -- so that's how this process is happening right now there's no halting all ticking inside -- -- It's kinda like prayer it's kind of like there winnowing it down it's likely start with -- yeah five top candidates than they vote maybe they knocked one out it goes to four.
That may break is exactly right to you know -- they got.
Figure out well somebody's eventually gonna get the what 77 votes that are necessary right -- it's it's -- -- into exactly it's the US it's like the US primaries brightness are up.
Six candidates yesterday everybody gets a few different dozen boats and then the top those who get maybe 3040.
To fifty votes.
All really the ones that come the next day are considered the favorites all of a -- a list of six what you said.
Dwindles down now the question is well how long is he gonna take that top six or top five to go down to the top two -- and eventually.
-- -- -- Ask you question about those folks there were there at Saint Peter's Square watching these folks every single.
You know.
You draw -- certain.
Faith and -- just from watching them they're there in the rain there -- looking up but the the balcony.
Who who are these people Bryant to take us through what you know you've been there you probably talk to.
Several.
There are a lot of people here from Latin America I -- you we have to really put this in context understand what this means.
We're not only Latin America for other countries outside.
Of really Italy and of Europe this is their chance -- and -- -- a probable chance to have the very first Hispanic -- It's ever represented church and that is you can tell when you speak to the people that work in the square when I spokesman today they had their flags.
They had them wrapped around one another there with their friends.
And there really wasn't any kind of rivalry between country to country was really all just about understanding that there was there.
With you with one another and their for a greater purpose -- themselves.
So -- you know it was unbelievable I mean we saw Mexican flags Brazilian flags.
People from sure along the and the Philippines and really they're not there it is just -- gathered there to support their favorite cardinal.
But at the end of the day they all say.
-- it's really about the church and why and what this moment means so I mean it was a new you know obviously was never its latest a look at the shots now.
It was never this crowded and it's that's incredible.
So all show you right now.
Part of what I saw today was pretty credible -- the first smoke this morning take a look.
-- -- -- -- -- Seagate I don't think it was having having.
-- -- out.
And I am a Vietnam and he actually look like.
I don't think going -- -- what made you feel about that.
Listen you guys -- huddled under an umbrella I mean it's I'm Lucy until he seems look cozy and -- Yeah it.
-- -- just don't you know.
He's singing some people.
-- -- the me you know waiting for the new hope and that's fine.
-- The it is -- I don't think I believe that's the time yet it is.
And women.
Yeah it was okay yeah.
The device -- -- visited his.
We are Brazilians that -- here we started -- -- department were here now this historic moment to church in all the world.
-- in Brazil.
Latin America.
Okay.
Good.
Yeah.
And -- outside and that's the Brazilians are out here full force they really see it as their chance.
To represent the -- jobs it -- Carlos rare a very festive.
Very festive attitude very festive atmosphere on everyone's his friends and singing and just Singapore the -- and tonight.
Like I said it's generally -- race.
Good job Brian appreciate it will be -- -- -- -- little bit by the -- we're having conversations with everybody else -- chatting along with us here.
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Saying hope for Pope I'm lost without a -- now here's a -- the point.
He says -- to see the Catholics did start super pacs for a -- churches interestingly enough when we come back.
A priest who made headlines interestingly enough.
Around the world.
For falling in love.
With his wife.
Take -- through that stay with -- -- -- This is amazing take a look at these pictures up.
You talk about the faithful.
Flocking in Saint Peter's Square.
All staring up at the balcony you're staring up to see what's gonna happen with the smoke.
Will there be white smoke today there will be -- black smoke again once again just get you up.
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Is someone who I have called a friend for many many years and someone who is.
Spiritual.
Clergyman and gives guidance to thousands of people has for people all over the country by the way.
And it made -- is because something happened.
To him.
Something as benign by the way that's falling in love with a woman who he would then choose to become his wife.
Now the only reason it was controversial obviously you say so what that would happen every day and that's a good thing he was a priest.
So that's what made it news that's what made -- interest and that's what some would say made it's so controversial here's father I'm better -- DA.
Also known as Alberto I don't know what they call you that -- you -- and could TA and everything else out there are heard just about.
-- they have about.
Yeah that's that great it's great to be review and die you know these last names that have accents and in English it doesn't translate.
Obviously it is father Albert findings as a city here -- -- that tell you that I think the thing you say that because.
I believe my story of me so many headlines because I work the Spanish media first -- long and to a certain extent I think in Latin America.
People are very familiar.
We -- the concept of priests marrying.
Or priest having.
If you will hidden relationships -- -- and in the US it's different policy is is looked at differently but I can tell you that it's about a 1101000.
Roman Catholic priest since the 1950s to the press -- How I think in this row that I've taken to move on from active ministry of the Roman church.
Mostly because of marriage most of those -- -- have left have left to marry.
And to start offensively -- even though we don't what many may have now become episcopal Anglican -- like myself.
Many do serve and different denominations and some have continued being Roman Catholics and I've got a special permission to be married but they cannot continue functioning as priests.
Father Albert -- written dilemma -- struggle with faith and love dilemma a priest struggle.
With faith and love is the name of the book -- so partially made him.
And I don't know be like my saying this and but made him famous all over the United States with people calling -- him and perhaps searching.
For guidance to their own issues as a result of defected here's a priest who's gone through something like this and by the way.
You mentioned this a little while ago and it probably is important -- people know this there is an argument within the Catholic faith there are people who believe that the church has to.
Be more progressive some people are saying you know what.
Why not let priests marry.
And they all tend to point back to the fact that for the first 121000 years in the Catholic Church priests were married.
And the first 39 popes were also married.
And it's also very interest -- -- because.
One of the issues we see happening today people ask me all the time -- -- com.
The church receives Anglican priests who are married with their wives and their children or families.
And even ministers of other -- nominations and put them through the ordination process with their wives.
Yet you know people were born into the church won't have that option and -- something that could be argued it could be discussed forever I think the church.
Is not going to change any of these things any -- so I don't think that a new -- people with all the enthusiasm.
That we're seeing out there that a new -- is gonna make such a huge difference in the way that church.
Continues to carry out many of its practice -- you believe that they should.
Well I believe that there should be some change and I think many priest by the way.
And many religious sisters and many dedicated -- Catholics.
Do believe that the church needs reform.
The problem is that reform of the church.
It's not as fast as in contemporary society and got to remember one thing.
When you look at Vatican two which happened from 1960 through the 65.
It put the church in -- direction of opening itself and renewing itself in the midst of the contemporary world.
-- what happened was that you know we got -- Paul the second dump -- the second was a delightful.
Person had a great personality.
But he had also a a very.
Traditional understanding of church and want that.
If you will slow down the processes of renewal so we began to see some of the things that were advancing.
Some of the conversations that we're dancing for example women in order nation that was being talked about during the month that the couple -- six.
I know that's a matter of fact because they are different character very weapons -- the spiritual communion of the Anglican Communion the Anglican church.
Was in conversations.
At a time with -- politics and these are issues that they would talk about they were controversial vision and our church because.
Many people -- principal terms they don't want when Saturday -- either so so there were these struggles but.
But eventually it -- global church has you know moved on and we have bishops and priests and deacons -- -- female.
And I think many of the other mainstream denominations have people -- every leadership of the church that are men and women but you'll -- -- Catholic church and you don't see a movement toward that.
You know what's interesting is I don't see either and talking to most of our experts here that there's going to be a re defining or a real information reformation.
In the Catholic Church given boo -- these cardinals -- Right now so let me ask you as plainly as I can.
If you could talk to them if you could somehow be let in the Sistine Chapel right now behind those closed doors and they gave you.
Thirty seconds a minute to make your pitch for.
Why you should be you should have been allowed to stay on as a priest in the Catholic Church.
What would you have said to them.
It's very heart -- because even though I gotta tell you that the biggest perhaps motivating factor in my moving -- to have to do with my wife and marriage -- -- a lot of other issues I didn't agree with.
So we got -- talk about human sexuality and we have to talk about how we treat homosexual persons shall we say about them.
We have to say what do we do with -- -- people -- try to live a decent life and you're not allowing them to receive holy communion.
We have the talk about contraception and why every contraceptive act is considered a moral sense and doesn't allow you as a good Catholic -- your own conscience to to play.
These are all these are all the -- did not admit that things that you're naming -- all the positions that people who you know consider themselves the progressives.
You know like the the cardinal from a lot who passed away not too long ago was kind of -- -- toward.
Let me ask you one final question -- and drifting -- you chose.
A lot of Catholic priests marry and stay in the Catholic faith you chose.
To not be a part of the Catholic faith but to become.
An Anglican -- -- episcopal.
Is that.
Is why did you make that decision.
Well first of all episcopalian is -- the Catholic faith that something that a lot of people don't know -- I don't profess a different faith of the from religion.
We are different church went out and communion with -- -- Well we are in agreement with the Pope on video fundamental issues we have actually agreements on -- on the sign of its.
We talk about all -- things we have Anglican priest who worked there in the Vatican.
And -- and an Anglican bishops were very very close to the pulpit to into the Vatican so it's not like we're worlds apart you know I I like to call ourselves the first cousins of the -- can expect -- and it and it and I and I say that you -- without.
-- respect for everything that's happening but at the same time I got to tell you.
There is a need for reform and all of christianity the fact is all of our mainstream churches are losing people and I'll tell you what they're losing them to.
They're not losing them to other churches and until like the fear the Brazilian.
Situation with -- evangelicals -- that we are losing people in the developing world.
-- -- -- -- To be turned off completely with -- religion you know we're losing them to -- young people.
Are in that big big big you look at all these pew research studies.
There's a huge gap of young people saying they're not interested in any religion got -- reason for that is because the institutional -- -- responding to the needs of the contemporary society.
You make your case very plainly and very well and you are someone who's been.
I'll tell you right at the forefront but I guess what would be called a movement.
Father Albert my friend thanks so much debating whether it's a good luck with all you do -- -- and I am sure will be in touch.
As soon if not on my radio show sometime.
Sometime soon enough South Florida father Albert -- TA.
Joining us from South Florida and that beautiful background there -- by the way we did get a chat just a little while ago as we column here's one that.
We thought we'd share with you whether he's from Italy -- got -- Brazil the next Pope will live under the shadow.
Of Pope John Paul the second that suggesting that someone would say that based on the fact that.
Pope John Paul the second you know -- followed by Pope Benedict and he has not gotten this.
Kind of this that this kind of commentary when we come back.
We're gonna talk to another dear friend of mine who's a part of the Catholic church of Bill Donohue is gonna join us from the kappa league.
-- defiant defender of the Catholic faith.
And a man we know well here Fox News will be right back.
Maybe we should start with by asking the I guess eternal -- -- -- -- the internal for the next 24 hours and that is.
Are we gonna see smoke and -- would be white smoke yeah that's right that image that you're looking got a right there next to me that is the chimney.
And so far we've seen black smoke.
Twice they should be voting again and again they take two ballots or two votes.
And after they're done with his second vote this afternoon possibly right now as we speak.
They will let us know what the result is by a us seeing from that very chimney you're looking at right there are.
Whether it's white smoke or black smoke whether they've actually chosen the Pope so we're on it.
We're resumed and we're ready to go and if it happens you'll hear it and see it.
Right here Fox News Latino that's our web -- -- let's put it up so folks concede that they care.
You know we we're we're we're proud of what we're doing here and we -- to be able to be able to connect with you as we move forward.
Here during this conversation.
And as we follow who will become the next Pope.
Will it be school of -- -- would be one of the representatives from the Latino world I mean.
To Argentinian won -- resilient no one now from that Wilson out of buck.
I mean we're looking at people who could possibly be representatives have at least this part of the world -- Europeans we should say and and then wait it gets better hold on.
Could be the archbishop of Boston it could be the archbishop of New York that's right Dolan who's like Elvis these days in Rome.
Joining us as a man who knows that only too well here's a Bill -- my friend from the Catholic league bill -- -- you -- -- fantastic so let's Dolan.
He I'd you know I'd I'd I'd say that kidding of course that I probably shouldn't say about an archbishop although he was here he'd probably get is a great sense you get a laugh out of that right but he has been.
People are saying -- he's got this this this ability this relate ability that we haven't seen since Pope John Paul the second.
Well you -- I -- put put my prejudice is on the table.
I want either an irishman or Latino and -- tell you why I want an irishman because I'm Irish -- -- Latino because.
I began might might work in the Catholic community.
In Spanish all of with a great Puerto Rican people here I'll put a 104 street between first and second avenue back in the 1970s and I didn't know about and -- -- the Puerto Rican day parade would my my my friends.
For many years there.
-- -- -- my prejudices you know as an -- in your correspondents -- before.
Well you know maybe they -- -- looking south to South America but maybe they won't get one of the top names that's where a cop must commit.
That same logic could apply to America.
And otherwise -- mentioning that two irishman Dolan about Lleyton.
Is it not possible that in the compromise.
That some people say okay we'll give you an American wants to make the necessary reforms in the bureaucracy.
Here's the -- -- you don't get either one of them in which case -- slides and my bet caught in the world not of Washington DC who is positively brilliant and whose name lobbying mentioned that a -- that.
But the longer this goes on.
The -- you -- that you're going to see.
Some compromises and some give and take here -- when you -- you Whittle away you keep eventually coming down to somebody who at the beginning may have only started with that's five votes.
But what everybody else gone.
Their vote could tell tally your Sosa Donald -- -- formally at Pittsburgh it's like got to know when I was a professor out there.
And he got me started the Catholic league side -- -- there's lot of interesting things going on.
Do a great job with the Catholic by the way also wrote a book it's called -- we -- -- help you pictured here it's called what catholicism matters.
By Bill -- here's a question for you we've got to poll Reitman.
The poll basically asked should the new Pope moved in traditional direction.
And here's what we found 46%.
Say it should move in a new direction.
51%.
Of Americans by the way say it should remain traditional what's your take on that -- -- 5050.
Isn't the guy and you know the thing is that I have a lot of respect for most polls but there was one near the dead daughter Daria I took a mop up a -- on this and it makes sense.
Quinnipiac did a poll say that Catholics to lead the way in favor gay marriage.
They broke down to fourteen questions in terms of the people who regularly go to church and those who do not except the one question.
The one on same sex marriage when you dis aggregated got away from the total he found out that practicing Catholics do not want same sex marriage now to your question here.
I think what the Catholic Church is more than -- -- and everything else and this is where the -- a lot of moments not all of -- sexuality and stuff like this about -- those this is on important.
I am saying this.
There is a problem with the Stacey is the kind of paralysis within.
The Roman.
Elect Jerry -- the bureaucracy.
People have gotten too comfortable.
The Americans and I'm on -- side nothing not just because of an American yeah but there needs to be a bit of a shake up there is too much business as usual and familiar politics going on over.
-- -- what all these cardinals seem like there are up.
You know -- of -- to use a phrase it probably doesn't fit your values and anyway.
It's got like a buddy system they've been there for a long time and they're gonna continue to do things the weight bear comparable with -- each other being.
I think -- human nature that people don't people tend to resist -- is they kind of like what's familiar.
And remember now about 45% of the 150 are from Italy but leaves an awful lot three out of four who won but we had a lot of them and some of the Italian -- -- that.
Do we want those changes in the bureaucracy I think that has to take precedence over all these other issues that all the chatter had.
Have been talking about I think that them.
-- bothersome thing to a lot of traditional Catholics and people like you and me -- part of his faith you know to us our churches our church and our priest is our priest.
It's all the stories that we're reading about the problems that you know now there's this.
You know this batting -- report that saying that that gay prostitutes may have been involved with priests and that they're trying to blackmail them.
It hurts my soul when I read it and I think it affects a lot of other Catholics what what's your take on that and what should the church do how they address -- what do they do about this to make us all feel like.
You know what we can get beyond us.
Well you know there's no question -- what's gonna find people who who did the leaking in any organization and unfortunately.
There is a ripe opportunity appetite on the -- of some people and our society to believe the worst about the Catholic Church.
And saw we weren't certain disadvantage in that regard I do think something has to be done and in terms of some degree of discipline I don't got Richard always at the rap is that we're repressive and whatnot but it doesn't mean you upon repression walk into your local college campus I spent many years and -- -- of the Catholic Church tolerates -- -- -- -- than any other institution.
That I don't quite frankly to -- fault and if some people find it almost impossible to stay.
On the chart just -- maybe they have to begin to think like.
You're you're you're -- -- -- just gaga or respect for people say listen it didn't work out to me that to stay there.
And and -- like -- -- might try to eat away at the base of the -- yeah.
-- mentioning married priests here's another poll that we got in fact will will will talk about that real quick cure let's put that up weekend.
If next Pope allows priests to marry it would be good 58%.
Bad 35%.
Not matter 8% now the Americans these -- people around the world.
Americans obviously are -- a little bit by the media which in this country tends to be more to the left and to the right and big comeback with this 58% does that number surprise you.
No but you don't like to know what this is that this is this is the strikes me is amazing.
But didn't believe in equality so should be treated -- the but I still yeah that's why doesn't really matter that figure really than 8% is a lot higher after -- -- People said to me in the past bill do you like jobs -- -- -- -- on National Anthem quite fronted -- -- choice especially temperatures America the beautiful.
Do you think -- -- a moment of sleep.
That I get.
Exercise because we're not going to change what I'm saying is -- are quick to go to church on a weekly basis not the ones always open up all the ones -- actually pay the bills.
At the moment please tell -- that next week.
-- woman priest.
We -- -- next Lleyton because if Belichick case.
They wanna bulk of a long time ago quite what -- the mainline Protestant denominations.
Other ones and for people not of the Catholic Church in terms of numbers.
The ones who have all the changes may need.
That they so call progressive Catholics wanna make if that's the answer to our problems well that they've -- the parent of the Methodists lutherans predators they're now.
It should be surging.
Not so what's the message let's -- a look at some of these pictures that are coming out of Rome right now we get away from the chimney.
Look at some of the other pictures that we've been seeing of these people who flocked there this is this is sometimes something we don't see in this country because we don't have that place like a -- -- The mirrors an opportunity here.
For Catholics to send a message the attention of the world whether it's Fox News Fox News -- the you know foxnews.com.
Fox News business are all the other networks.
And at -- and media enterprises out there.
They're all focused on what's going on right now at the Vatican as a Catholic.
I'm thinking what a wonderful marketing opportunity while you're doing it right.
I think we are you know when we were very interesting institution one of the reasons why -- rent of 2000 years and I speak as a sociologist and instructional.
That is to say but on the one hand were higher tropical so you have one person who's the leader all over the world and at the same time we're communal.
Because this Tip O'Neill used to say all politics is local all religion is local Catholics identified not so much with the -- -- other bishop.
But what their parish priest yes happy with your local situation.
You're generally happy decentralized decentralize and visualize ourselves so we knew we have the -- now are people from wall -- you see the diversity of people say.
We're all different and we all of our local barges on the other hand there's only one person -- the holy father had that this all the religion.
That had anything quite like it now I understand there's pluses and minuses whenever you deal with this kind of stuff this is our last moment.
Finally the ball and we got pictures again right let me see let's put those up we got those all my gosh look at this.
The crowds -- do they know something we don't know you think bill.
Because this is just within the last hour everything has just gotten.
But -- Obama -- there that they're coming -- they're coming to the end of today's session when you've got the fourth and fifth votes.
And that clearly every -- that precedes makes it more likely that they're gonna -- when it somewhat ahead.
So.
With no question that that later goes today.
The more interesting is going to be I don't think I don't think we're gonna see white smoke today I think well what has a lot of people a bit more on Thursday idea yeah I would be very much surprised if we saw.
What smoked would have won by same tactics that if you think did that but -- -- the winnowing process and I think that we have begun with school either that -- either.
Began last week over informal conversation that is why the -- took so long to get -- it wasn't just because there was a few went to get him to Rome.
The -- they could have done on Monday could connect yet they decided you know what the informal.
Discussions.
I mean it often happens that someone will say you know what I like Rick you've you've overlooked racked a lot -- up by the way -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So I think it's actually wise that they waited as long as they did.
Well value from the Catholic league shook my hand thank you so I come another always good to see you -- Wraps it up for us there's his book by the way -- catholicism.
Matters.
Yes more than all -- most importantly in our time I should say.
I'm Rick Sanchez thank you so much -- bearing with us for a Fox News Latino.
We hope you'll go to our web -- click and see what we're talking about and certainly for the next several days.
Maybe more than that will be talking about this because we're gonna stay here continue to bring in this.
Until they -- Pope is chosen god bless all you stay here.
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