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Our web new washing Defcon three and I'm -- -- from what you're watching right now is in Israel this is a set -- of the iron down missile defense system.
It's young Israeli military are conducting that set up and it's something that just saved lives.
In the last couple of months when there is the latest.
And scud missile attack on Israel and joining me today is -- we we're very thrilled about this we've got three young.
Soldiers officers from the Israeli defense forces and their can explain to us what iron down is the is Israel is the first country to have this missile defense system.
And you have seen it in action in the last couple of months in the span well phenomenally successful so let me first start by introducing all three -- you -- give me your -- Rank MM let's talk about iron down your head I mean you resign.
I'm using -- innovative.
And I have in the office OK and what a match here and I want to -- and -- lieutenant as well.
And -- and second commando from -- them that's any.
Eighties and some legal settlements next in the -- making them enough and it's not okay and then captain where pressure.
I'm definitely I'm here.
-- -- before Islam even you know hold off and then but they don't model one of the paratroopers brigade.
OK now -- iron down system which is nobody's seen this before it was it looked good I'm -- drawing board.
-- you put it into action when the attack they would scud missiles started flying.
-- -- from the processor tell you get what -- had you train noticed before how did you know how to do this and anybody jump them.
Go ahead and that was the nation can have different.
An amazing thing.
I've -- through -- love to see them right and before I hate to you and there was format they think 94 batteries that were -- -- -- all over the country but in the defend them and specifically at places right that we don't have enough -- to -- -- And to defend the entire country in the entire country -- And -- this nation and there -- another left me with plan B and it's been 24 hours and defense into the when we landed -- to me.
All right so rhetoric is it -- the enemy has the ability -- to strike anywhere near us were out there and missiles can go not just.
Not just to the periphery of this -- which -- even into the heart of Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and they can do so with some accuracy.
Right it's not just that -- launch and and that's where they land.
I think that they can go with some accuracy of the news that wrestles you to -- iron dome work.
Sorry -- -- -- was coming and to which I'm afraid it's elevated captain -- what happens resume.
Well we don't want to influence.
And any area -- and me.
I'm glad you're seeing -- -- comes.
All we can see where I -- it's going to -- If you want to land and on -- -- and it's been the name people.
We want students -- -- -- and demand.
If you want anything worried that I didn't have success you've got everyone -- you try to get right up on the not a 100% since he had me going again.
And then so these attacks coming -- you look at the map of Israelis are attacks coming from Israel's.
West right from the Gaza Strip what would happen if there were attacks coming from Israel's north from Hezbollah.
In southern Lebanon.
You have so we have and other sites.
We besides -- But perfect -- man.
So -- and and if you want to protect.
This example -- -- Comes rumors Hezbollah.
We move -- about.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- have just the end isn't making.
Any out of the what is things I would start with with tens of thousands.
Missiles were destroyed Israeli Air Force destroy them you could be facing an attack not just have five or ten -- incoming missiles.
You could be facing one where there -- hundreds of rockets at the same time -- iron down work under that circumstance again you can think.
Are you can't tell about it hey we're out of it got secrets out -- -- ask you about your -- are you -- professional military.
In the UK don't have other jobs you have schoolteachers out account you are 100% -- dream when you do this as a career where you stay in the military -- Yeah and what about your families your Brothers sisters families and about turn.
I can hang our airports like I've got to ask you the united states military has just in the last couple of months -- they're trying to put women in combat world.
Tell me quickly does that work.
It's like really good and now I mean it's any thing -- young and he -- norm this thing.
As -- mandatory sentence for women and men man Chris.
And I really bad today Andy's really needs to be this kind of sad position.
It's really important position and I really -- feel like singing I was so.
Okay there all of America you have just heard.
-- very successful Israeli defense force officer tell you from firsthand experience women belong in combat -- well yeah.
Okay what you so much for giving us a harder time -- here in new York and god bless and god speed and keep up a good job to do very much yeah as -- thank you.
OK I take a quick break and -- -- -- and talk about what's really on everybody's mind let's Michelle Obama's email account hacked and it's now Bible.
Threats are growing more interconnected and viral events that at first seem local and irrelevant can quickly set off transnational disruptions -- affect US national interests.
The world in which our definition of war now includes a soft version.
We can -- cyber and financial to list of weapons being used against us and such attacks can be the novel and non attributable.
So when it comes distinct threat areas are statement this year lead to a cyber and it's hard to over emphasize its significance.
Well there you heard from James clapper Director of National Intelligence this is a guy who worries about incoming nuclear attacks.
Conventional attacks chemical biological weapons -- what if you just told -- he said that you cannot under estimate.
The severity and threat that cyber -- to the United States.
That bad testimony was echoed by several other top military officers in the last few days.
And now we've got a guy who used to be in charge of cyber security for the United States Marine Corps.
David Kennedy -- CEO of trusted securities trusts his -- that trust -- sex I guess as far as the security right.
-- -- really if you think -- west from where some dark bunker.
You'll haul and we cannot reveal your location by what you're gonna tell us -- how serious is the cyber threat.
To the united -- just as its armed forces back to this benign economy David.
You know -- the cyber threat I think for for national security has never been more important you have you know countries like Iran for example.
We know militarily that he can't compete with us -- war the war I combat in traditional sense.
But if you look at you know what they can do in the cyber capabilities that can really cripple our infrastructure.
Intellectual property -- really go after our economy in a very negative weighing in right now it's never been more crucial for our organizations and for our actual country.
To protect against these type of attacks and you know its its interest in because you look at new China or the difference you know state sponsor types of attacks overseeing an industry.
You know looks were pretty far if I don't become civil where -- students -- -- Capability news.
Well I think we're having a few -- tentative recovery Simon I just try to summer as a few things that you said.
Get -- gig yesterday in New York these national security advisor -- and gave a speech.
At the Asia society and he named China he said we know that China's.
During cyber attacks against the United States and what we do as we encourage the Chinese to investigate.
-- critics have said wait a minute it's the Chinese know -- jury just doing the cyber attacks.
Are they going their investigate themselves.
Is adequate just name and shame a couple of speeches is there something else we should be doing.
David I'm talking to David Kennedy from an undisclosed location deep in some -- talking about cyber threats are and there's the the United States can do -- -- megas.
Yeah I think I think we have to go on the -- that we have -- all these countries accountable.
The types of attacks that are doing and we really have to figure out where they're coming from an -- -- -- targeting them ourselves.
I think traditionally we looked -- you know attacks on different countries as an act -- or but all these other countries are doing to us in a regular basis we have to be on the offense and we have to go after them.
And yet to show strength of force when it comes to our economy and what we're trying to protect.
Different direction on this with other experts who said you know the problem with trying to do defense against cyber.
Is it in that you're always have to be one step ahead of them and they will always be once had a had a view.
You talked about offensive capabilities I guess with a deterrence idea.
But what about the notion that may -- what we ought to do is tell the Chinese look we are gonna open up.
One million people to the Internet if you -- Stop attacking aren't stealing our intellectual property and threatening our civilian economy.
Could we do do we have the ability to all of a sudden take up all the Chinese firewalls.
And let thousand tweets -- With a look at if you look at what Keith Alexander -- arm in December -- have a house she said that we do you and we are building our offensive capabilities so they are actively saying that we are gonna go out we're -- hold countries accountable.
Off the types of attacks -- doing we're not gonna hold an.
-- in the same way anymore but this is same type of thing we've been since 2010 if you look at.
On the office -- the director national causes that -- cannot the world threat assessment in 2010.
We should cyber security is being a top threat to our nation right now and -- talked today so I really hope that the government does act on this move forward with it because.
No right now companies are just getting destroyed left and right when it comes to our intellectual property -- it.
And what they're doing from our from our governor perspective we need to be on the offensive Unionists are taking it -- they're considered -- doors and their networks.
And charming is actually need to do an index US is when he played well.
Everything you just mentioned okay -- intellectual property trapped in other words our defense industries are Apple Computer can spend.
Hundreds of million billions of dollars developing new technology the Chinese steal it with the click of a mouse.
What what's our offensive capability -- have anything we really want to steal they don't have United Technologies they don't have Lockheed Martin.
They don't have apple or Microsoft so how can you have are comparable offensive capability against somebody else's.
That's disagree questioning and I don't think our motives are -- -- be her first stealing intellectual property.
But I think it's more short torso of disrupting armed organizations that are performing separate attacks so we actually do you know -- actually things like that's actually go on the offensive.
Take down these cells that are actually targeting our infrastructure targeting our economy and intellectual property and making -- Republican nature on -- I think it's a it's a big.
You know you know media and publicity thing to do but I think that the Chinese government's answer to look at -- enemy which indeed taking.
Other -- are -- taking all their data on a new respect and it's a roll back a little open now that's just purely hypothetical.
Alba countries such as I ran for example I mean we can take a large portions of their infrastructure look at.
What happened with the stocks net on attack that -- was allegedly backed United States.
You know we are an argument be able to set their nuclear program back and -- years.
On based on just a few lines of code.
So if you look at you know are more able to do with our capabilities we can actually launch -- tire war against a country.
And not even the true -- and go after them on with the boots on ground.
So in other words you think that not only is that -- the way we have to protect -- -- cyber attacks in the future read this presents the ability for the United States to really.
Want to be a whole nuclear superpower all over again but to do it was cyber weapons and I presume that other countries can't do -- -- Canada haven't.
Well I mean if you look at Iran -- incidents that are there cyber warfare.
A group -- a number -- years ago and had a very strong capability.
-- anything for North Korea's -- China.
So they're the country's dirty dealing and out down -- -- -- the United States on a regular basis whether it's financial monetary on what's more politically motivated honest still to be seen.
Objectivity of these countries already had -- capability and that's that's why it's never been more important for us to be able to send not only defending yes he's a tax.
But also be able to have a -- -- goes on the offensive end.
Is that something you mean the military's had defensive capabilities for a long time.
But I really think that's honest and moving for a lot more and more lately especially -- on -- -- record as well as a lot of exposure that's been happening in the media.
So we can build these office capabilities even stronger circling these countries and all accountable.
Okay when David -- you have got to -- here it's really terrific to talk to you from wherever you are in hiding.
And Josh just keep -- during that superb job that you really can't talk to us about.
The -- -- on the former director of cyber security for the United States Marine Corps and now off on a sound deep in some underground bunker somewhere.
Thanks David you banks.
-- switched gears and talk about Afghanistan.
Limited war counterinsurgency.
With the man who is one of my suspect is scholars in the country.
His name is Max Boot he's at the council on foreign relations although today he's joining us.
-- -- -- -- heat is really they go to guide David Petraeus issues his led -- took his advice very seriously throughout the Iraq war in the Afghanistan war.
That -- -- just take and some time out.
And you've gone back and you've looked at everything from early Roma and greed Trojan war and you Britain -- that comprehensive book.
On what you call invisible army is what's an invisible army.
Invisible armies are terrorist groups and guerrilla groups that strike.
Various quarters and an escape before you can figure out who they are.
The use of stealth and surprise the ability to ambush.
And the key to fighting these kinds of groups is to bring them out into the open because if they fought like a conventional army wearing uniforms.
-- powerful military force like the United States.
-- have no problem defeating them.
The problem was we were discovered in places like Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan is the enemy is not out in the open and so the key in this kind of conflict.
Is to use intelligence and try to identify.
Who the enemy as and then capture or kill them but that's very very difficult to do.
And what I the point I'm making my book invisible -- -- this is not a new problem this is one of them in fact.
The most pervasive and ubiquitous form of warfare throughout history but it's one that's always given conventional armies -- And the US military today is no different.
One of the things I was -- -- -- your whole point that in fact than normal course of events and the normal war there's spot is this invisible army is.
And -- is news events -- counterinsurgency or an insurgency would.
Which you back in were in our revolutionary war.
-- the United States where V we -- to -- as we were the guys fighting the insurgency against the most powerful military in the world.
The British Army the British armed forces and yet today if you look at Afghanistan and Iraq are we really what the British were.
And the Taliban bear -- Running around in the mountains ill literate with have gunshot being announced offer.
Bare shoulder are -- the new American revolutionaries.
And if so how do you defeat -- Why wouldn't want to compare today's Taliban of George Washington Thomas Jefferson and company but I think it is fair to say that historically.
The US has been on both sides of the battle both as insurgents.
And this counterinsurgency.
Certainly we were.
Insurgents during our revolution against.
The British empire.
And more recently we have often backed insurgents around the world including the same Afghans who were fighting the red army in the 1980s.
And bought today.
Are more common role is that -- counter insurgent trying to fight guerrilla and terrorist groups in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
And it is possible to fight them as we saw for example during the surge in Iraq in 20072008.
When General Petraeus and the troops under his command turned -- -- situation everybody had written off as hopeless and managed to reduce violence by over 90%.
But as that -- that scenario indicates it's not easy to do and it takes a lot of different lines of operation as the military calls them.
Part of it is just providing security to the people -- the biggest part of it.
But you also have to have some legitimacy of the people you have to give them some positive reason why they should support the government security forces.
And in today's context that usually means offering them democracy.
So if you do those things the right way you can prevail but it's never going to be cheap it's never going to be easy and it's never going to be fast.
Our oil what do we do about Afghanistan -- just -- current site come out and and you know.
Contracting company and now it sounds crazy -- said the United States is in cahoots with the Taliban.
Is that a fight that we can still win and if so how.
We have made real progress in Afghanistan I've seen -- for myself outside view when you go to places like Helmand and Kandahar provinces.
You see areas over once Taliban sanctuaries now liberated by our troops.
You also see the Afghan security forces growing in size incompetence there on the front lines they are taking what many more casualties that it on our troops are.
But they're not good enough at this point to take over the entire five and -- -- fourteen when we're -- pull out they still have key weaknesses with.
Logistics intelligence fire support medevac all these capabilities that we can bring to the fight.
So I think we need to maintain a substantial.
Advise and assist force there.
After -- fourteen to continue -- the Afghan security forces and their battle against the Taliban if we don't leave that kind of substantial force there.
I think there's a real risk that the Afghan security forces will disintegrate.
Afghanistan will fall back into a civil war and the Taliban will once again rise to power as they did before 9/11.
OK well thank you so much for that insight Max -- council on foreign relations and author.
Of these soon to be best seller invisible -- which is a must read.
Particularly for anybody who -- in the national security field or certainly in the military.
Thanks so much for joining us Max.
Thanks very much -- it.
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