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-- areas of lawyers say she killed Travis Alexander in self defense one of the first defense witnesses can't understand.
-- your -- if former coworker and friend of -- areas.
He testified that he saw areas fight with Alexander over the phone just weeks before she killed him.
This time so we were speaking about.
-- areas identified who she was speaking to.
Yes and homeless that Travis.
-- Alexander trying to selling that.
Could you describe for us.
You talked about being in this small motor home sick he did describe -- demeanor after the phone call.
It got heated -- she excused herself stepped outside.
She talked to him for about a half an hour outside and when she came -- can she was shaking and crying.
Had you seen her.
-- like -- before an engineer prior interactions with.
Did you ever see him -- areas.
And guess sixty -- just nice to see guest.
-- Guess -- tell me out of how do you know -- areas.
I had gotten to Arizona to speak at at a meeting where they were all laps and at the after the speaking -- like can all go out to dinner and when I after dinner -- actually met.
-- met them both Travis and -- at the event and then after dinner.
She approached me -- asked me if I would help her improve her her business and do better at what she was doing.
About how long did you how long did you know -- before Travis was murdered.
A little over a year.
Out during that time did she and we -- -- doctor often or see her often.
We would talk couple times a week to each each other probably every two to three months.
Events somewhere where I was speaking or -- conventions or things like that.
But we -- talk a couple times a week because.
In order to help her there was like an accountability associated check in with me so I can see how she was doing and what she was doing and if she was following through with what we talked about.
You know all the times he spoke -- whichever confide to that she was in there afraid of Travis -- that he had been physical whether her turn anyway.
Yeah as it started to progress as we get to know each other better.
In order to work with -- you know need to learn what's going on with someone you know is it mental physical emotional wire and the succeeding.
And it started coming out that she was having problems that she was upset with him.
They were breaking up they are going back together.
And they -- -- became obvious that he was really more using her than anything else.
And then at one point she called -- -- but it -- is very upset they had some kind of a fight and she needed to get away.
And I said well I happen to be in Las Vegas about an hour and a half away why don't you just come there and spend a day or so with me there let things come down.
It in I didn't isn't so.
I ascent that searchers -- -- -- thanks serve physical interaction because some guys might be cats and -- and -- it was some women may just pick up vitamin B verbal fights a bad relationship and then there's the physical relationship where someone is abusive afraid of someone.
Yeah which category did this did these relationship that -- -- on.
What I experienced.
What I can you know -- testified to what I.
What I can witnessed was verbal I mean for example when she came to the motor home.
-- he called her she didn't really wanna take the call that she took it and when -- -- -- wanted to get off the -- on what she wanted to get off the phone with them.
All of a sudden he started cussing -- in the moment he cuts that are she.
-- -- -- like she was -- -- -- and then capitulated to talk with -- and then she went outside spoke with him for about a half an hour.
So the moment he exerted any kind of dominance over her she would -- -- night that he was murdered as I understand it she called me I guess it was into the next morning about 3 AM.
About 3:30 in the morning I'd gotten a call from majority.
And in -- I saw the found said you know there was her answer the phone she was crying and -- asked what's wrong.
And -- she was crying a little bit and she said Travis is dad.
And I knew she was crazy about it -- -- what happened she said she didn't know.
So at this point keep in mind I had no reason to suspect anything other than that I asked.
Are you OK she said yes I asked where are you she said northern California so now on my mind she's like 12100 miles away from where he was.
I -- she needed -- ride it she said no she was gonna rent a car and I said okay we'll let me know what happened.
I know I've been criticized liberals why did you call the police -- why what I call the police I get calls.
Lots of times people die and if they're saying they don't know why they died -- figured all right he died she was notified they didn't know the details.
She was 12100 miles away we're gonna drive to Arizona so.
That's the call that I got.
Do you finding out -- killer -- look back at it because now that makes a four story the first ravine that 33 inning I said she didn't know what happened.
To the police she said and for once stories that she wasn't there to someone else she said that somebody else did it and now -- say self defense -- not have for stories.
-- -- would -- of corruption that peculiar as you might think -- whether I'm not condone what happened by the way but.
You know somebody has just on something really really bad.
-- out there is that you know -- human experience you fighter flight and you're gonna try to do which you can do.
In your mind whether it's right or wrong to protect yourself so.
Also I think there was submit evidence she wanted to try to protect Travis is reputation -- didn't really want a lot of this getting out that -- out.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- He was shot.
We -- forced to listen and the woman is set I mean it doesn't look particularly like you know anything else but did -- wind -- not like self defense when you have that many wounds not -- it can't be.
But is there -- of the odds are against that.
-- I think it's a little golf everything given that logically you know I have heard a lot of talk about the premeditation but no -- answered this question for me.
You know hey let's assume that she had begun and it wasn't dirty -- in the place -- been alleged.
Why wouldn't she it was premeditated when he opened the door shooting or after they had had sex and he was asleep.
Shooting why would you get in a fight with a guy that's twice as big as you and twice as strong as you.
I actually think what happened is that he he did have a temper something flared they started the fight and once it happened she just lost it.
From all the stuff that's gone on cheating I'm not saying this is you know I valid reason for doing it but why would you get a fight with a guy that can beat the crap out of you when you can just shooting when he sleeping.
And -- that's not what happened.
I guess the problem is -- -- self defenses you've got AAF yet if if she's the aggressor.
And -- the gun and the knife.
And the way you described it it doesn't look -- of them the quote losing net.
Isn't isn't isn't fear of of your safety.
Well I'm not I'm not arguing that point I'm.
Is saying that once it started I think it got the part where she she just snapped I can't speak to that.
But I know if I was half the size of someone else who was twice as big as me I wouldn't take them straight on I would do it.
You know shoot him in the head two times three times when they're sleeping or when they opened the door but not get a direct fight with them.
You can't do you know anybody else who knew Travis and give any and hear anything about Travis getting -- with anybody else whether it's an old girlfriend or his buddies -- -- ever hear any other acts of violence.
-- not that's one of the big problems with this you know.
On one side the courts want the truth but the public doesn't.
That the public has decided a long time ago she's a bad person she needs to die.
And you know the court of public opinion.
Is actually suppressing the truth because there are people.
Who know more than I mean if you can -- she was a reasonably nice looking girl woman tell this happened.
You say she had no friends there's no one that he knew any thing while they're there are people who knew but the problem is I've personally experienced one woman that said.
Cast look what happened to you I mean I'm a reasonably credible guy have a nice person.
I declined interviews and all of a sudden I got totally assassinated by the press before I went on the stand and everyone believed -- to be costly true.
And I've had women tell me -- I could not have that happen I -- Mormon women who know stuff but.
There are Mormon if they -- on the depth this news on the stand.
In front of the public they're gonna be ostracized by their friends by the church and -- -- it's not worth that I mean.
One lady quote said she killed him.
Should we know she killed him.
I it's not worth me getting involved so even though there's more truth to be told it's being suppressed and in a society like this we need to be able to have a fair trial for everybody whether we like them or not and if we start not doing that.
You're gonna create a slippery slope they can hurt a lot of other people down the road.
Yes thank you very much thank you for joining us.