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I'm -- I'm happy to welcome -- doctor Alan Keyes doctor Keyes ran against Barack Obama.
In 2004 for the open US senate seat Illinois.
During the Reagan years he served as assistant secretary of state for international organizations and ambassador.
To the United Nations economic and social council.
Ran for president 962002008.
It was Republican nominee for the US senate from Maryland in 1988 in 1992.
And he has the same name as me and your wife.
Doctor -- and I are both named -- We can accept that best bet but couldn't I'd like to that we have from the governor and -- -- right.
But when Luis felony you know he doesn't by the -- of pupils but -- oleander something like that it.
Really annoys me.
Anyway what's your -- and -- -- you're not there right would you like to be there.
No I haven't had anything to do with -- packing quite a while I thank hit is among those organizations that sadly have -- and co opted to what it's about essentially how am I call it the sort of Republican -- universe.
So that you're not really talking about people who are conservative so much that they are Republicans.
And to -- never stray very far from the Republican Party line.
I would I think -- essentially now no longer represents grassroots conservative that we have seen plainly and very escalate.
Including the almost open warfare that people like Karl Rove have declared it was the -- -- If you think -- declared war -- when he says he wants to -- the most conservative person who can win.
Does not make sense.
-- bargaining if not nothing to do it that none of that that they need to do with winning and losing because I think our party system -- -- -- about.
It's about the promotion of an elitist traction -- that seeks to overthrow the constitution of the United States and replace that.
What would essentially amount to an elite dominated oligarchy.
Whether people are simply rubber stamping.
Some results so that is preferred.
Ideally this elements of our society and enforce their agenda -- on the throat of the rest of the people.
I'm not -- big government by and for the people is -- On the mind.
Or much of a concern to these folks and the fact that -- have the other day Bill Gates Greg.
-- to achieve -- expressing.
His view would that the executive -- -- have more authority yet.
He more power and whether the -- and we -- they have all the obstacles.
In the way of things.
The fundamental idea how government that was involved in the American founding which limits government.
In order to make sure.
That an understanding of justice will be adhered to.
Rather than you just go out to get whatever results you want and -- power for that purpose.
Now when you watch C -- they seem to be two factions there you've got the rubio is on one side.
And then you've got people like Rand Paul seems like a very different faction of the Republican Party I'm guessing you're more on the grand -- side.
There's one -- ultimately win out it seems like the party's battling -- itself.
For what voices -- -- going forward.
I'm sorry that the ball quite suddenly I just got through -- several pieces on Rand -- And Andy and I have very little income.
You would think so superficially.
But when you start to think through his presentation I am deeply rooted.
In the principles of the American founding the declaration of independence.
The idea that justice is the overriding objective of human government not.
Jobs not prosperity.
Not even eat live freedom in the -- that arbitrary individual.
Freedom no justice.
And just as -- understood in terms of god given right that is to say a right that is the pond and by the way that -- made up in the universe that's what the declaration at all about.
And I frankly think that whether I'd rather I was reading -- speech today -- speech on.
Our reading about his speech that he gave about life for this feedback.
And these past eight trying to take the position that somehow or another question the natural right to the -- It's up to government to decide.
And that's impossible.
A concept of god and -- -- means that there are.
Elements of the substance I'm just.
That -- and the human power.
And it therefore every government have to respect.
And the nature of the family party apparent the relationship between parent the children -- obligations and responsibilities.
Involved in that.
As well at the right that it gives rise to in terms of parental authority.
That's not something government arbitrarily decide according to a -- And that's at the heart that this whole gay marriage problem.
You know it's not a question of sexuality it's not a question of individual behavior that the question of whether government can arbitrarily define the nature of -- -- And in the context of not so right it can't.
Well for example Rand Paul says than have government stay out of both straight and gay marriage take marriage out of the that code and don't have government didn't go out and -- of them that.
Actually that's just plain silly.
But why -- the question of natural right.
As -- be respected according to fundamental ideas of American life you know the reason we have self government.
The reason we have to respect due process that -- -- individuals are understood to have -- right that limits what government can do to them.
-- not an accident.
It's based on a logic that -- clearly articulated in the declaration and that logic it depends on the acknowledgment.
But -- standard of right the substance that Wright is not defined by human power human the -- -- the human.
We it's -- And by the authority about ethics we're at the end.
Way that we are made an -- argument nature.
And government doesn't get arbitrarily to ignore the rights of channeling those rights are antecedents -- government.
-- government exists they access and therefore program ball that looked at disregard that.
Knew that he had abandoned the declaration because they decorated think clearly the bailout government is -- secured the I'm alien -- right.
That come to us from the creator god that's the debt but he's abandoned -- and I never will.
Let me move on a couple of things recently -- -- radio show when you talked about.
How our society is on the verge of slipping into lawless chaos and it's insane for anybody to be promoting any gun control lever you said that any government official.
Who supports gun -- -- doing so because they want average citizens.
To be rendered defenseless against criminals psychotic folks we're gonna run wild in the anarchy to come.
Which and because it serves a larger -- -- a goal rather.
Of curbing the global population an effort which you said quote.
Intended to make sure that people will be slaughtered by the thousands and the hundreds of thousands but anybody that.
I think that made the logic of this is quite clear.
All over the place now including a government report and other things including by the way in the preparations Sarah Palin that it the other day about the Obama administration apparently -- that.
Where some of the people who are conservatives and so we're getting upset because they're buying all these tanks and weapons -- the Department of Homeland Security at -- -- out of all people come back bit low blow because we could -- these.
Natural disasters including the effect of EMP weapons on our electrical grid and our electronic communication not weapons I mean.
-- -- -- -- Because we are also facing problems with the possible dirt that economic problems.
That could lead to disorder than ever before to the border are arming themselves that was -- application -- It's not that balance -- saying that we -- -- over the course of the next several years some real difficult -- that a fact.
-- but not -- -- police keeping.
Look back and and so forth in our society you think legitimately -- -- out of -- prospect that we have to take seriously downs in the midst of that.
Think about that.
If you do have a situation for -- Where because of space solar activity or.
-- activity in conjunction with he'd ask -- kind of asteroid that's.
Coming close to the -- and other things but -- what -- lap one of those things result.
It out at a general and massive than long -- In capacity in our electrical.
That's it will affect the transportation particularly -- Buddha and other goods into our city right.
Do you think this is it likely will -- -- I don't you don't like it that I'm making about.
This is something that it actually being prepared for quite massive government effort.
To congressional committees have been -- You think they wanted to happen to take control people -- government wants us.
Let's look at what what really -- -- -- talking about this sort of Second Amendment issue and that's great but what actually gonna happen.
And what actually could happen would then result in the need for people in the -- think bill out of -- city to look for -- -- And -- I felt that some most of the people who -- that are going to be good because law abiding citizens but you are both now.
-- -- larger.
To a large degree area of the Park City have now come under the domination of these criminal gangs that are exploiting people.
Do drugs and other stuff.
They're also going to be part of that immigration.
Do you think that's exactly the time to -- Dick Armey spoke in their family than that local communities in the -- in the world aren't I think that's been.
They seem to think there's some kind of nefarious effort on the part of the government do it on purpose to control the global population and make sure this team and the people are slaughter.
I put that I can say the government I put back together with what had been seen now.
Elite just concern.
I called them -- distraction you know all of these people.
Who are -- have the corporation bill gate they don't want candidate make their up pompous statements and so -- the top.
And they all seem to think that the event in the future.
We need to have a planet earth where that population is severely less than it is now.
Not yet by a little bit.
But by massive difference not several billion people should be on the earth but in -- Probably a billionaire -- maybe 750 million I've -- -- -- -- do you yes.
From where we are get back.
Unless there were some massive cataclysm.
Either -- animator out of and to talk to the all human beings won't do that we just aren't kidding but it came out of the twentieth century.
Well until they -- -- don't hallmark of between -- I've got to take a heart breaking moment can you hang on for a moment to pursue this and we'll get back OK we're gonna event -- -- -- doctor -- Ambassador Keyes Alan Keyes former candidate for president.
And former UN ambassador as well.
On the talking with doctor Alan Keyes -- former candidate -- -- you'd give -- a plan to run for office -- -- Well hi I -- usually don't have plans to run for office.
So I guess -- try to have an influence in the -- that I county.
Self government and constitutional government in that country along with respect for the moral.
-- about -- -- run again at some point.
Do what I do and I what I think it is going to be pride -- what others think I can be helpful doing.
I'm not there in years so I'm not sure.
But I -- young man cannot.
I don't know.
Let's we're talking about this issue of population control and your belief that it does serve a larger goal.
But to curb the population.
So that -- does seem to be just a step away from suggesting.
And correct me if I'm wrong in saying that you are suggesting.
This is such interest of the people who govern to lower the population -- they will do things to make that happen.
What two things.
One I think it's interesting that you directed -- the people who govern by who who -- in America that's supposed to be the people themselves.
-- the court it would be observed but to the people themselves if you're in the best interest of the people themselves that they should.
Be -- -- it to work in the interest that -- younger population control and you know planetary balance and all the stuff these people -- about the people -- advertisement now.
What the folks who are reaching this kind of stuff -- really -- By the way not coincidentally whether -- economic problem.
Whether it's not just that that's do you realize that a lot of Americans don't realize this but there have been serious problem with -- In different parts of the world leading to riots and political upheaval.
We are also being corporations like Monsanto giving out seats that don't produce -- in their -- right.
So that you actually have somebody in control of whether or not in any given year.
People would have to accept that the seed corn -- -- were necessary to make their -- the following year.
And it had been -- so bad that there are record numbers of what side we think like that the my apartment in India and -- where.
So -- not -- -- that we're not you know world.
Where results are being produced and you could say -- all by accident.
In which people are suffering serious damage they think -- -- and -- On account of decision being taken by it weakest element to have a certain vision of the way the world should -- I think this -- -- walking now but I Ike hit and I'm not gonna do now.
The possibility that spirit mind and intelligence network in that.
And that in the contact that the united spent two and I see people talking about and the Obama administration seriously prepared -- let me give them the benefit of the doubt right.
Seriously preparing for a break down law and order in the country that required inactive.
Of police forces they want that breakdown I didn't say that's not -- point.
If that's actually going to happen.
What that means it's time to abandon the constitution of the United States with people -- debate -- done now.
The Second Amendment that a well regulated militia that is able body -- the citizens.
Being necessary through that security about respect so it focuses on a responsible.
Well prepared -- and the morally county the in terms of guilt prepare body of the people.
A decent law abiding citizens.
Who doubt are responsible.
In their possession and use the -- if there -- a threat to their neighborhood to their rural community to whatever.
That's going to affect their -- than their -- Wouldn't it be that time when you would rely on that tradition which I don't like me that -- this kind of danger is not new to America.
But it -- -- in that decentralized way that did not -- to anybody.
Do you know the crisis in order to promote their political and ideological agenda.
And I think that's the safest way to do let the people take responsibility for themselves.
Rather than put that in that situation where you cap deprived them of the means to defend themselves -- -- in a moment.
When you're reflected that the government are gonna be stretched to -- a limit so that you really can't protect.
I find that we all -- didn't -- but then it's irrational.
Count if somebody look better on the outside of that you know.
You couldn't have planned it better if you were looking to consolidate her lead its control and in this society I would disagree with -- You say it's a fact that it's gonna happen but that's certainly an opinion isn't it I mean you don't know for sure that it would.
That it was going to happen all like that -- That people are looking at the future and making serious preparations for it to happen so that states are spending.
Billion in order do prepare for so you can't.
Say that I am wrong to be thinking about what it implies if the Obama administration -- the right.
To be actually expanding large amounts of money stockpiling.
White -- stockpiling automatic weapons stockpiling bullets and ammunition.
-- -- great big.
Because that they are not great need to be thinking about what that actually involved -- Well the actual purchases of those things.
Has been portrayed as specifically for the Department of Homeland Security would you be in normal purchase that the government needs to do its work -- not.
Back at and all the analysis that yes they have stockpiling bullet that would be enough to -- people for a hundred years thousands packed.
We are not opposed the house a national domestic police sport under our constitution.
But if they are preparing and putting one -- -- not.
Normal about this no evidence they are putting -- domestic police force in place I I don't know wait.
It's our date stock violating this time.
I'll resort swore in a domestic context.
It doesn't make any all I'm saying at them by the way.
Sarah -- the other day.
Congressional hearings that have -- -- -- play in the course of the last third year and a half or so far have focused on the problems people aren't doing that.
Because it's just impossible they're doing -- because of responsible government.
Would have to prepare against the eventuality.
That some of these natural let's call them at -- in the first since they're probably not help Obama might -- in the country and they are prepared the only question I'm renting out.
You're an element of that preparation that the same elements of that preparation.
At a time when -- Ability to keep lot of -- go to -- the limit.
Yeah that is a look at people and say we will now render you would depend -- like.
If your scenario is correct and they have all this ammunition and you think there collecting it for nefarious means.
-- The problem.
Even though no sane person would look back at the twentieth century and try to convince -- or -- -- or anybody else.
That governments do not make a war massively on their own people that the human trait that went.
Throughout the twentieth century and into the present one.
So the notion that -- -- at the idea that any government would turn on its own people.
Yeah and you -- -- government with some of these folks that are in the Obama even if I call them who have been committed Marxist line and that.
Student was probably -- -- -- openly said that he should never let any crisis.
Perhaps without promoting your ideological agenda and -- like that and that's helped me no you shouldn't you shouldn't even after -- the possibility.
But this kind of power should be -- -- things that your.
-- you're trying to pretend that thoughtful.
Human nature and human ambition when entrusted with a monopoly of armed power and -- nobody should ever think about that.
I think that's irrational.
In light of our recent experience.
With the human kind and it like also the thinking and serious considerations that went into the I don't think that that country.
The -- like -- which.
But that make sure that those things would be kept in check by -- people with the courage character and wherewithal.
To make sure that they would not be abused by the.
And you don't believe his -- Obama and his administration have that -- character.
The people are supposed to have the character that the problem.
You -- it -- that this matter for dump it leave no -- But you're -- isn't really in charge and you're saying that they're the -- amassing the ammunition.
And that they might use it in the case.
Your language Dallas it is what partly make me uncomfortable.
Gave the people who doubt the government that the United States are not in charge.
They work for the people of the United States to reprimand them and -- -- -- -- people who are supposed to be a joke.
It is -- -- -- the Second Amendment makes the statement about.
A well regulated militia that it body that people not part of the government.
A well regulated body.
In terms of farm is necessary to the security -- your -- condition because the people.
Are supposed to be in charge of the government government of by import of people.
-- armed people.
Has never anywhere been able to maintain control of the government and the disarming of the people at large what one of the prelude.
-- youth who took power.
In practically every at every at that I can think up in the course of the twentieth after its common sense.
Not to want to see that situation arise because we aren't going to trusts.
Human nature to -- they -- -- kind temptation.
Is there anybody now that you would like to see in government or in the presidency or running the country did you think you'd be less concerned about in terms of the concerns you're expressing here.
Who I like who are -- good.
I I never answered that question -- my preoccupation now did not.
With what's supposed leaders we have a little fury that we put up and let you beat it we can put in place we're gonna save the date for a I'll tell people straight -- -- I don't think that's gonna happen.
Because it's not the way -- beside -- is supposed to survive.
Our government by -- for the people depends on the character and integrity out -- people.
And until the people decide to take their -- back into their own hands and all respect economic.
In terms -- responsibility for their -- for the security of their community for education that the court.
Our government is gonna continue to -- All right doctor -- I have to leave it there but I do thank you for -- and it was tonight appreciate the dialogue.
I'm always great to be with you -- don't thank you very much Alan Keyes former.
Ambassador former candidate.
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