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Tamara Holder and Lis Wiehl debate the juvenile prison terms given to two high school football players
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-- holder a criminal defense attorney and -- -- Fox News contributor.
Ladies.
Where do we go this what what are your thoughts heading into this -- -- a lot of people are asking did the football players get too much.
Punishment.
As the father a little girl -- wonder if they got two little.
Play right away an -- ever made completely I've got -- fifteen year old dollars and fifteen next month.
And I'm looking at the sense that I absolutely I can't believe it I think it is so low.
It is it is not.
Harsh enough that they're getting what a minimum of years in juvenile detention the other -- -- -- -- bit more than that because apology because he put her picture.
And the Internet -- Oregon woman is never -- get over.
I disagree actually I think that although -- I think that -- it needs to be sentenced to more time.
Remember it's a minimum of a year two years or cheers for wine a year for the other.
Which means they can be held -- to their 21 birthday.
And we can't do anything more than that because they were charged in juvenile court instead of adult court because of their age so.
Big -- help review for the full term of the juvenile sentence and that all depends on their behavior is and -- it.
While -- in custody and also be evaluated not the yet they can be but the problem is a sentence is means that they're gonna have to make more a case that they shouldn't be agreement that I'm worried about going forward is.
Because the -- Issued the sentence -- alone.
-- they're gonna have to make a case going forward that they should be well month not necessarily think they're going back to be tapped -- -- strong evidence of that and also their behavior was so egregious outside an evolving art school.
I think that.
That -- their behavior is just as bad inside because I think there's a problem.
With our society and athletes and -- we're now seeing this that these young kids these are.
Football players these guys on the foot -- -- And we see this in the -- a -- and an eight whatever but now we're seeing this with kids.
And they don't have any -- remorse and you know it's like the rules that apply to them it's I think that -- Yeah and here and certainly yeah.
It's certainly -- Ohio.
High school football -- huge at least let me ask you question are we watching an evolution of our.
Courts if you will because so much of this came out or the evidence was social media related text message related.
What is this doing in terms of the future of our courts.
Well for the for the prosecutors say it happens well you know camera can -- -- defense and I'm sure if position.
FaceBook Twitter social media is eight prosecutors best friend.
Because if you go out you commit a crime as these two boys did and then you say you didn't do it or you know it could have been there wasn't there whenever.
But the prosecutor happens in the social media that changes everything because courts.
Time -- time and again has -- social media evidence comes into a courtroom that's great for prosecution.
Well I think this sets a precedent I think I'm looking at sex cases over the Internet for many years now.
And a lot out there are a lot of trolls and that's what -- -- talked about.
Host this conviction these people are posting things on.
They're victims being patient and -- -- generally trolls people who go on an honest and anonymously in sun grass.
This I think is going to set a precedent if you're going to postings on the -- next we are going to come after you and you are not.
Not liable for your contract -- -- conference -- -- the cyber bullying all of those cases we've talked about this is a whole continuum really my cyber.
Networking and prosecutions of those countries I think you're right it is fundamentally changing the way we're looking at some of these crimes.
Terror when he saw that photo of the two boys.
Carrying it passed out teenage girl.
I mean did you say they're they're done I mean there they're toast.
Yeah I think so you know a lot of people all are talking about how that girl did not she was too strong.
To say yes and I I -- -- -- actually humans she's too drunk to say no it's like.
If you're so if -- sleep and -- she was -- to say no that doesn't mean that.
Years you -- -- say yeah you haven't had any so it is so I think that.
She was too drunk he didn't say no not yes she didn't say no and that is not necessarily -- that doesn't mean that I.
Think that they took advantage of her and committed this terrible lapse and then they put -- they show her the picture that picture just you know.
Hanging around her and throwing around some piece of garbage and it's really really discussing did you all know too that there be given the convening a grand jury now right to be looking at.
Potential more liability whether the coaches know what it did parents know what the teachers know what they're -- -- I think it's a great thing to do with strangers.
Well there's two parts of -- that I see it first says is that unfortunately in our society we have this no -- -- under this no -- rule and it's not just in these types of cases back.
The black community is their kids were killed everyday people in this society know about it and they don't tell anything to the police because they don't want to get involved.
This hopefully we'll change that but on the other side.
There is a lot that says you don't have a duty to report crime so how are we going to make people liable if the -- as yet no duty to -- Pork but bringing the grand jury and these are they gonna have to take the stand -- -- take the fifth in the grand jury.
-- was not replicate themselves to take the stand in the grand jury in front of ranchers and a prosecutor no defense lawyer no judge.
Right there and say what they heard it at knew about beforehand and I didn't give up the good samaritan -- doesn't require that you actually do anything but.
The Ohio law is that if you knew -- a sexual assault and you didn't report that that your travel -- that.
And then it -- there's also the point of not only the physical act of what happened to this girl but now these pictures are out there -- I mean how does she ever get over something like this.
What you take asking different questions one is legally how does she get over it I think -- civil lawsuit.
Emotionally and mentally and I don't know -- that's out of my round but.
I would certainly say to her parents could file a civil lawsuit against these guys well and also and -- investigation on FaceBook and things like out of sex sex crimes on line.
Unfortunately.
In my talks -- investigators they say that these girls come back then year after year and say.
-- is my picture going to be taken off of the Internet when is this going to be over.
And people who work.
Crimes.
Internet -- are victims of crimes.
We'll be victims for the rest of their lives because what happens is perpetrators.
Half the -- images along CD forty years old and finally image of yourself as a child.
Online because it's been there for -- so.
But wait more egregious to me and that's what they don't that the fact that they're only getting two years -- that's a minimum of two years.
I don't understand the condition this -- my camera camera -- to thank you so much for your time we appreciate your expertise.
