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And that's what it looked like.
Two years 364.
Days to go.
When President Obama signed into law his signature achievements as president even stealth.
He is health care law that created a new.
Entitlement aimed at lower middle class Americans to provide free.
We're subsidized health insurance and this is powered by -- I am in fact.
-- -- Happy Friday Internet and -- that time.
And that's -- you know it's Friday you can begin your Palm Sunday weekend celebrations early.
We will talk about what the state of play on the president's health law is as it approaches its third birthday.
And Democrats gave it an interest -- birthday present.
In the form of stripping out or voting to strip out a key tax on the president that would fund the president's new entitlement program we'll talk about that.
We will talk about it more philosophical question than we usually -- here which is the waning influence of political parties Joseph Trippi you'd like him.
He will be here and he's Smart and he knows how politics can change in what seems to be the blink of nine.
And federal workers are they eight.
Bound to be democratic voters.
There is a Republican running for congress in the district that is replete with federal workers who thinks that he.
Can turn the tide it may sound like a long shot but he's got a plan we will we will interrogate him on that subject.
We will do all of that have power points and have a jolly good time here.
And you know who else is not -- an -- that had a Susan preach -- she is the chief congressional correspondent at the Washington examiner she's -- dear friend of mine.
And a former colleague and a welcome guest on the show welcome back Susan great being here OK I was -- -- now here's the thing.
The president's health law and I'm gonna go and just plug now.
From this my column I wrote it for you because I like you so much and if you follow me -- -- -- -- you would have it already and I entitled it today.
Obama health -- the -- -- a toddler.
Because even before anybody's gotten the first benefit from this before anybody has enrolled in the program.
Members of the president's own party are already backing out parts of the law that is not that does not bode well you for full implementation well said.
Because when you left out parts of Hawaii black out what you need to -- it's an incredibly expensive -- -- there's China and the Federal Reserve and for how long -- so I was still.
I heard that the -- Be dead is unsustainable path for the next decade Susan what.
Am I that's right -- in my hands after that you know I have -- -- cancer teenagers -- -- college that the economy falls apart does anybody want that.
So you look at what's happening with the health Caroline and they're picking away -- it to -- experts say they -- the class act -- he said which actually probably helped the healthcare lobby that was an unsustainable.
-- -- -- -- That was for nursing home care to try to offset the problem that they had with Medicaid and it was.
It was an abortive attempt that was that.
Was dumped out of Seattle long term disability program that was not -- for so -- -- would have cost them money over time allotment.
I'm so -- Allen signed up for in the way they want the -- to again.
Playing to the fact that the health -- is not necessarily things stand because people are not necessarily act the way.
The authors of the bill thought they would act under the health nobody signed up for the disability issue brought them here and it's a class act and now -- in the medical devices.
That's you know like thirty billion dollars -- not gonna get from this tax on medical devices that everybody looked out over the course of the past two years is -- wait this is a bad idea.
But at the time -- that's the -- of the bill.
There were shouts and -- about being a banking event but it -- does not know let's get it we needed it to get our -- our bottoms I.
The number president said it -- cost more than a trillion dollars and it wouldn't add as he said a single dime.
To the deficits what they did was added attacks and it's an unusual tax in this form.
If you make artificial limbs if you make pacemakers.
Braces and retainer.
And Newman and Arthur please have your -- But the it doesn't tax the profits on these things.
It taxes even if you lose money even if it even if the manufacturer loses money on this.
They still pay taxes a three point 8% I think tax on whatever it is that they make people hate this they hate this -- because.
What it means is essentially stuff that people who need medical devices.
Are going to buy is gonna cost.
And then if it came to the point where people believed it could even be extended to your electronic devices and apps that be determined.
As medical devices activists say attack attack you know taxing your iPad no -- freaked out about that at all it's just it just became more.
I have more uncomfortable for -- medical that I tax overtime and they finally got rid of it because ran a terrible economy -- -- making whereas with this additional tax well there goes another thirty -- That was posed -- -- cannot -- what's next.
That the big portion of payments and health care lost Wisconsin.
Chopping up Medicare and really taking way.
Money and services that -- really don't see realizes coming its economy because -- gonna have to come up with a 500 billion dollars savings.
So let's look at this is a real precursor for what's coming down -- -- They want this big expansion of health care forever nobody likes paying for -- and probably no because already -- chipping away at it and I I would argue that as this thing moves forward.
It's going to be harder and harder to come up with a my papers -- -- we have.
That big program that's going to take away from the budget and cause our deficits grow and it's not going to be sustainable.
It's already there are -- implement implementing the exchange systems and -- states.
It's not going to be running on time that he knows that no way -- -- in the biggest part I think overriding all this is everybody everybody including you know democratic strategist Donna Brazil is looking at their health insurance bills go that way diminish yeah.
I was told -- -- -- gone way and a well here's a -- everybody it's gone the way up because you have to cover more services.
For everybody that's that this helps a lot about -- not covering everybody in making everybody.
Paid for -- the insurance industry is not in the business of losing money and the reason that they signed off on the big chunks of this legislation did.
They knew they would they would they would be making that's right sweet cheese.
Lyndon Johnson whether you like him like his politics whatever.
He was really good at doing stuff as president he put in Medicare and Medicaid and I look this up.
-- third birthday.
Of all Americans were enrolled in the program.
10% twenty million out of 200 million Americans on the third birthday so guess what nobody was repealing any of Medicare it was popular it was implemented they use the Social Security system.
To build up into Medicare he did what he was adding four and a half in that same time four and a half million.
People to Medicaid which was originally designed for the indigent it was a welfare program for the indigent that is -- and has -- to just about everything Arianna I think I could I.
And I think about -- -- could be good but the the question is.
When he leaves office it seems unlikely that he will be able to have the confidence that Lyndon Johnson did when he left office in 1969.
That the thing that he built willing to work.
Well and look at the way they're handling if you want to sign of how that's going look at what right now you have Republicans who really wanna start.
Fixing Medicare which is not going the last minute when Norris of security that nobody's really willing.
So -- so they're having these discussions Democrats are just saying absolutely not no and so.
Nobody wants to ever take away its services.
So I predict the same thing is going to happen -- help -- law.
Once it's in place if it just you know over the coming years.
It's going to be on some possible Republicans -- said this to to take it away to take any of it away dismantle -- at all so you end up with just.
-- his legacy may be going back to question just.
Really the deficit and debt and that it in nannies piled onto it so much not -- -- -- -- not.
-- by not addressing these kind of problems in this thing probably average now but by adding this actually massively expensive health care -- imagine immigration reform that's true.
Eleven million people -- now on obamacare are now on Medicare or use in food stamps -- -- I think his legacy spending.
Smart fair indeed dependable and -- Susan -- you know we thank you for making time for Canada.
Okay Internet brace yourself get -- are you know I hope you are you better today.
Because Joseph Trippi is going to drop some knowledge on you when he comes at.
He's been part of revolutionizing politics before and slow burn revolution continues to burn through the political system as the big -- -- of the day.
The two main political parties are looking for a role in -- changing political landscape Joseph Trippi we'll explore.
This chin stroking kind of question when we come back.
So stick around.
It's those I should say.
Are the chairmen of the Republican National Committee writes rhymes with -- pre this and Debbie Wasserman Schultz she is the chairwoman.
But the Democratic National Committee.
This is power play so.
Here's the deal -- that.
More and more of you our independence and less and less -- you are Republicans or Democrats.
And in fact.
The sort of out.
That the national political parties have yielded really since the middle of the nineteenth century.
Is waning meaning -- chairman previous this week rolled out his plan to remake the Republican National Committee.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is trying to battle against a new personal national committee for President Obama as they fight over donors.
Can they make the cut what can they do to remain relevant and important in the discussion.
Somebody knows because he used you helped revolutionize American politics in the middle of the -- As your trip accusing them.
Credit strategist and you know stuff about the Internet as evidenced by -- one million plus Twitter followers brother going to be welcome.
Could be -- OK now something that you have talked about written about and expanded on in the past.
Is the fact that top down.
Kind of political operations.
Don't work anymore because people expect.
Customer service portability.
Plug -- play experience they want their political experience tailor made to them they're not interest in having somebody in Washington say this is what.
You should do right they wanna be date they wanna have some say over themselves.
And before they -- -- was just TV player and am yeah.
Actually that there's anything wrong with that and I think that is actually you know -- -- people can have a conversation with us while we're on here.
And that that's -- -- -- the parties that the top hasn't figured out really had it of both parties hasn't figured that you that.
He even on the you know in the Democratic Party -- was Howard Dean of Barack Obama coming from.
To retool the Democratic Party was Hillary Clinton I mean -- -- You people forget he was actually in insurgent with a fatality to win the thing.
And he remains interestingly a kind of insurgent because he's got his own troop I've -- his personal national committee.
That they plan to raise fifty million dollars Ford to -- keep running the president's campaign.
Now on issues instead of on votes.
If I was.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz I would not feel like this was a great.
Moment I would think that the president keeping his own personal committee was not cool.
But the people who really got -- what were you what what happens when he's not president anymore and let's -- we're so I think if you're Hillary Clinton and Joseph Biden right.
Which who'd you wants the EU and the DNC or OS faith supporting I -- is where do.
You I think almost every politician to be running for president.
In 2016 of the democratic side would much rather have a -- -- support and their -- data that can write their lists all the stuff that comes with it there's support.
Then the DNC support so that so who's the real party.
This already happen before -- the Republican National Committee in the sense that they lost.
Bush and the Republican National Committee ad -- as -- -- for -- easy top would say.
A voter identification organization that was both bad and nationwide it was a serious thing and they were way ahead of the Democrats and before they called the voter revolt.
And it was incredible the -- that they could target voters find them and get them out the RNC.
Lost its edge on that and in the 2012 campaign.
Mitt Romney's campaign below project orca bungling.
Wolf and I -- it it looks at project and it project or good did not make much of a splash.
And in fact failed.
And in terms of voter identification and data which is the last hold -- for national party that's really the last thing that you've got.
Is we have the lists and we have the voters -- And it and it's.
Looking -- you needed 33 or four things the platform you you you were part of a party -- operation for the party policy -- guys that the money guys and in the organizers.
And it turns out.
-- both parties' platforms and -- -- Romney really here to the party platform does Obama mean is that now that article I think this is some stuff yeah.
Right exactly so that when -- obsolete along time ago.
Then you got campaigns now that can raise more money.
On line from individuals than the big money.
Donors and this is -- problem -- the Republicans fell down on death.
Champloo both the Obama proved you don't need a party right.
To do that and in the same thing organizationally.
You know that you can make the case of Ron Paul -- more.
Volunteers out there than -- -- in the volunteers.
Right didn't Romney's campaign did it today you know in November so you don't need the party to do it.
Now it -- power pony.
Passes along this.
That the former.
Campaign manager for Mitt Romney's campaign to.
Started their own super pac.
With research can to this kind of identification basically to compete Democrats -- -- -- American bridge.
And now the Republicans have their own.
Is this the beginning.
The full fragmentation.
Of political professionalism beyond the control of individual parties are we now in an age where we're gonna have -- channel.
Focus for these kinds of super pacs as opposed to broad.
Well you're hearing this Friday and meet some one may have a -- Pathway and he supported by the party but most of it yes it it's -- fracturing conceded every that's outlook I think it's inevitable that a new party's gonna.
Emerge at some point -- let you know whether it's known whether it's the Republican Party that goes with the Democratic Party because -- whether it's three parties -- Or one of them goes -- of the city was ready and you Republicans get with it yet -- way.
It's inevitable because he you can't keep.
You know we can't all this choice at this 7-Eleven.
You know drink unit.
Pretty who's in the united.
I'd like I'd like cherry Vanilla collegial place -- milk -- I mean look at all this stuff and yet no.
I don't think that's going to work.
And then we had an integrated into it but -- we end up being Italy or something with like twenty parties and start running for president stuff like that we -- -- -- You know what I mean is in the world as we can blast haven't -- been blessed by having a two party system since it.
-- all things would get into -- -- I think my own view is I think one of the parties goes the way the weeks and me.
But I did I think if the two parties failed to change it really adapt to the what's going on Democrats have done a better job doing that.
With Obama went right -- -- right and so.
You know right now you you've told -- -- -- was gonna go the way the wigs sorry guys but I think it's the Republicans I mean even if I'm -- Democrat has -- -- that's what goes South Florida's that's not what I mean I I just mean like another user or there is deeper dissatisfaction.
And we know this there's deeper dissatisfaction on the right.
With the Republican Party is currently constituted right -- is on the left with the Democrats is so either the Republican Party it didn't.
At the top.
There's decent -- -- out there and we let those people have a voice -- and we -- -- we evolve and -- -- them or.
We're down -- these -- people get to say you know you're not listening to us -- -- our own thing and hundreds of thousands of them.
Can actually get behind whether it's a Rand Paul or somebody else and not predict yet -- the -- let's see partisan predicting up.
That there -- plenty of Republicans that would be pretty happy these days if something like that right here and you start to see and then it gets as -- as the of the technical terms that it gets here.
Yeah exactly that it's it weird out there Joseph Trippi.
It is never weird with you it is always insightful and enlightening and we thank you for -- and thank you it was -- -- Internet.
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But so please follow me Betsy sparrow as you as a million of you already do followed show we're gonna take a quick break -- you do that.
We'll come back we'll talk about this federal workers.
There's a lot of them there's like two million of them.
And they predominantly vote Democrat.
What does that mean in races where you have a lot of government workers we will talk to somebody who thinks Republican.
Who thinks he can change the course of history on this when we come back just Iraq.
And those are the trains of the Washington area Metropolitan Transportation Authority we -- the metro.
And this is power play.
Those trains scary.
Lots and lots and lots of federal workers in and around the District of Columbia.
Bringing them from Fairfax county Virginia.
The secret undisclosed location -- To the nation's capital so that they can work and -- -- pentagon and they take them all over the place there are a lot of that.
And most a big chunk of them anyway are represented by -- Gerry Connolly.
Represented leave the eleventh district of Virginia.
And they voted.
Do residents of that district that -- 25%.
More for Barack Obama than they did for Mitt Romney in 2000 and well so is it true.
But as the federal workforce grows that those federal workers won't be more and more democratic thereby making the country more and more democratic.
Somebody who is going to put that thesis to the test is Ron Meyer.
He is a candidate for congress he is a Republican and he thinks that he can unseat Gerry Connolly who represents -- many of those metro mavens welcome.
Thanks okay so if you're a Democrat wouldn't you prefer to be with the party that wants to grow the federal government than the party that wants to track it.
Well I think is a federal worksheet you'd want that people want to send more us jobs -- wanna give you -- and more positions and that's only about promising to sequester this request is actually for -- thanks to come.
If we look at what that was evident that our government right now we spent 220 billion dollars a year on interest payments for the debt every year says about 2000 dollars per taxpayer.
In ten years we're going to be spending about a trillion dollars 900 billion dollars right on the interest payments -- really get that 650 billion dollars write that year we're gonna get from.
And so we got to raise taxes dramatically our -- draconian cuts right off the bat -- -- Well you region are you have to book your decision to borrow more money -- Everything I don't have bad credit score low but that's a thing if you -- that interest payments of the its interest Barack anymore because where -- downgrade because they're taking -- money on money that we've already blown that we're -- barred from.
And so I'm telling federal workers this it's in everyone's best interest -- the -- young over the year federal worker.
To have a sustainable government -- need to have a sustainable government.
Right so yes if you want to keep your job right yes that's -- -- -- -- -- downgraded government that's not gonna have to do.
650 trillion dollars in cuts right in ten years if you want.
See this thing.
We're federally obligated to pay the debt every year by the constitution this.
We're not that -- it obligated by constitution to pay pensions or salaries true and so when we come to a crisis like this where we have to find it magically 650 billion dollars.
We're gonna do it we're gonna start cutting workers and where those workers in Fairfax -- -- Gerry -- district in the competent managers behind.
The Democrat budget and what -- -- I was reporting during his term in office is.
Absolutely it's heading extent of the crisis and so what I'm saying is that it's good for federal workers good for young Americans get for anyone who wants a balanced budget.
And -- have not increased taxes and have a government that works to get to a sustainable.
Government something that can last -- in the future.
All right he would like to be the first Republicans represent that district 110 years.
Yes well they've been -- Tom Davis represented he resigned in 2000.
Okay so in in a little bit the first one I think with the beard probably since reconstruction.
But good luck thank you for sharing your insights with us today we thank you think that's a cut back.
You know is up next I don't know whether he's wearing a -- or not today but it is always good fun so you'll like that but how about.
Some PowerPoint would you like some power points from Friday apparent points what the -- -- -- power points are just slight lead -- that was on that I made there slight as in sleight of hand.
First our point first PowerPoint with -- apologies to Bono and the edge that we still haven't found what we're looking for -- the president's health care law.
Was signed into being in three years ago tomorrow.
We were told that we would eventually find the goodness in the happiness and it and that people would come to love it as they did Medicare and other entitlement programs and we still have not found that because.
The president intentionally.
Pushed all of the stuff asked his reelection.
And now Democrats are getting about the business of taking out unpopular parts of it so that they can get past their early elections that's how that goes to the president ought not be surprised.
That the law is sort of tottering around.
So that's what that is so second PowerPoint is who's cliff.
This equipment for the fiscal -- you know -- the fiscal cliff got started it was 2000 and want the fiscal cliff is ancient it is in each it was an ancient thing.
Who wanted to cut taxes.
Sunset to do them so that they could do some budget baloney because they did not want to have to show that they were adding to the debt.
And so they just take it.
They just shoved it and they used to sleight of hand to do it it has become the -- in Washington.
To use slight of hand to hide things that are unpopular and push it through.
So here's the third -- side effects of crisis addiction addicted.
To crisis because.
They're unable to govern or build consensus.
In Washington people have become.
Very dependent on this slide and in this they -- in order to do stuff because they don't want to face voters and they don't want to deal with these difficult issues and they can't deal with each other.
That's just the -- It's not -- it's not good this condition of the president's health was not good condition of the tax code in the United States is not good.
Do we do with -- on almost everything.
This has to stop because it makes it possible budget -- impossible for businesses to predict what's gonna happen.
And it keeps us all on the adversity so these -- -- -- -- Lawmakers just back.
So that was your -- points for today and now -- we like to do every day we wanna do with the word from our French -- It's people are -- discover.
And -- system run -- -- Washington is not a private system and I would say if you didn't go that way.
Go the way of the British -- and honestly openly and simply ponies instead of this.
Private health care since.
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