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And -- do you believe in traditional marriage Kentucky's decided it.
And I don't think the federal government should tell us -- the -- there -- states that have decided in the opposite fashion.
And -- -- the federal government should tell anybody or any got state government how I should decide this marriage has been a state issue for hundreds and hundreds of years.
And that's was Rand Paul he is the junior senator from the commonwealth of Kentucky and may soon be candidate for the Republican.
Nomination for president in 26 team.
This is power play and I -- Chris firewall.
And a happy snow we spring day to you here because congress is out of town because.
The government schools are on spring break this week it was an easy commute so more of this now -- more of these -- -- any day.
But welcome and I hope you had a very good weekend -- -- So tomorrow at the Supreme Court they're going to be hearing arguments on some important questions that relate to what marriage is what marriage isn't.
And who has the power to decide that so.
Dropping the fight or substantially dropping the fight on this subject.
We will explore that question we will also talk about the NRA.
And its effort to come up with an alternative package.
As it relates to match shootings and gun background checks to try to take advantage.
-- deepening divide inside the democratic coalition on this issue and others and we've also talked about political consultants they get.
Money if you're if you're good or even if you're bad it can be a very lucrative business -- bell will be with us.
We will explore the question of whether Republican consultants are particularly egregious at this and whether this current batch of them is that way.
It will be fun.
Let's start the -- challenge this -- no longer.
For the fun.
It's a kind of Matthew -- many -- is in fact the editor in chief of the Washington -- and yes which you should be following at.
At -- -- because today report stuff which is interest and it's a novel approach.
In the Internet -- -- welcome.
Thank you for having me yes OK -- you -- by the way I should she went.
No time -- -- never but I think send yours is better.
Is that you talked about the -- inside the Democratic Party in your latest piece which is available the free -- and it has a.
Ironically used photograph of President Obama.
Firing a shotgun.
So people should not miss out on that I want to talk about.
The Republican Party right now now.
We heard from Rand Paul.
An argument that was against yes.
What Democrats and and an increasing number Republicans are calling for which is for proposition eight California.
Which define marriages a union between one man and one woman.
They want the sprint many months -- overturn rentals and now this is a state issue.
But embedded in his argument is one that says the federal government shouldn't be regulating marriage that -- should be left entirely to the states.
What's the real state of play on this this was something that just eight years ago was -- very important for Republicans now it seems like it's sort of -- Right well I think it's certainly fading among.
Prominent Republicans in the lead up to the Supreme Court fight and that's not forget it's not just prop eight this going to be adjudicated at the Supreme Court this term it's also.
The defense of marriage act which was signed by democratic president.
Ten years ago and which complicates Rand Paul's federalism argument because of course -- as it's called.
Defiance traditional marriage into the law of the land in terms of federal pay and federal benefits and all these things so.
Even if you say -- lead to the states which traditionally -- they have police powers and so they can govern these things like marriage.
Well the federal government still has figured tax returns were going right now right now based US so decide whether Mary or Cingular to -- to what.
It's a very -- complicated issue I think there's a real.
You know the real prospect here the court over -- actually.
Right the same sex marriage by overturning prop eight.
And the question is.
You know to do the Republicans who are now supporting.
Same sex marriage.
Are they in step with the party grassroots Chris and when you look at the polls the thing is they're not.
The most Republicans continue to oppose same sex marriage but the argument that libertarians in this what you know Rand Paul will be trying to forge this coalition.
Between libertarian minded Republicans.
Evangelical conservative Republicans that's his only after the nomination really is some fusion of those two.
Is that -- and he articulated this -- discussion with Chris Wallace.
On FOX News Sunday yesterday which was -- -- if you really.
Are concerned about marriage should -- federalized it in the first place that the states are better custodians than the federal government and that this makes it all possible.
Right but what I stated that -- I'm not trying to pick a fight with -- -- -- anything but no you envision this isn't usually the truth is all issues in our.
In our nation -- -- federalized and that's just something that's habit of what we can as conservatives we might oppose it on federalism grounds that say that it's not taking the constitution seriously.
At the end of the day it is just the way things -- work now we have a national community just because technology transportation all of these things.
And -- that you can't really just say well that the federal government could've should've become involved because at the end of the day if you're not getting involved liberals well right in the if it's finished -- to watch.
For the this is the the coming clash that we can see play out which is -- -- those libertarian minded folks basically they say.
Get government out of the marriage business altogether they're not good at it.
There they're going to end up forcing and -- direction conservatives don't like anyway so let's abolish the concept of legal marriage for tax purposes and everything else inside federal code.
In just and leave it as a religious ceremony.
That may not that may not so across the board but we've heard some people on the -- to at least say that they would might be opened it and.
That's true I mean I would say that probably has much chance as previous efforts to abolish the Department of Education -- the Department of Energy it's very hard to -- -- that -- don't wanna be and obviously they make my -- about the closest thing to ever tell the on this -- that the government program and I think that same of the tax going to be just look at the difficulty.
People who have been urging tax reform on the individual corporate tax codes now for for four years it's nowhere closer.
And of course.
People always disagree and so what might have one vision of reform of the of the tax code even when it comes to marriage and they're going to be people allied against you.
And who had a different idea I think the fundamental point though is.
As much as we're seeing a real divide among Republican pundits and conservative.
Political -- you mentioned you had the party as a whole including its elected officials like Rand -- still do support the traditional.
Definition of marriage so there it for all the noise at the end of the day and this is liberals pointed this out as well it's still it's a traditional marriage part.
Greg -- returns welcome back let method that you have been taken by the undertow.
And he follows me on Twitter so I was able to say stuff like this directly to me -- -- -- well.
-- says that's civil unions from the government and go to a church for marriage with civil unions for all so basically it's not abolishing its second government totally out of marriage.
It sort of lowering the threshold that you can pick any other adult essentially.
And file your taxes together and get beneficiaries stuff what about that.
Well it's interesting because you know the United States is not the only western democracy having a debate over same sex marriage -- -- and so's France right now is engaged in a very tumultuous debate and it's through the legislature not the courts.
And of course Francis had civil unions exactly like great describes for over a decade now.
And with the proponents of same sex marriage -- unions are not enough they want to.
Marriage they do they want to have -- about approval heterosexual heterosexual couples and parents -- it legally married -- mid and lower that threshold for everybody right.
-- Greta does so I mean it's just but I'm saying is even if you say civil unions for all in the United States America.
There'll be people who still say civil unions or not.
Enough we want to miss it difficult everybody's everybody's got everyone if I had everyone -- -- if only everyone agreed this would be a lot -- be our -- to.
Well now all of that I mean you're good at other stuff you could make waffles and everybody would be great let's ask my wife as edit I -- -- you could -- I believe if you put your mind to -- -- balance could be in the future but Matthew we're glad that the nation remains divided so that you have employment at the what -- I can be with us don't thank you take.
-- -- Whatever.
Says any issue that involves civil rights and discrimination should be a federal issue besides this is not terribly dissimilar.
To do interracial.
Marriage issue that's what -- lemon said.
In the chat so for you other citrus out there feel free to win chatter hit me at -- -- the twitters.
We're gonna take a quick break and come back and talk with the question of where Democrats really on the question of gun control.
Or efforts to curb mass shootings -- president's gonna go out and campaign.
-- can't think about what's gonna talk about because right now there doesn't seem to be any clarity of vision on the blue team we will explore that question when we come back.
-- -- -- Working on a bill right now that will hopefully at least get the records -- those adjudicated mentally incompetent and dangerous into the Czech system that applies on dealers.
And that was the CEO of the National Rifle Association Wayne lucky air.
And he was appearing on meet the press and talking about the latest counterproposal from his organization.
To a call from President Obama Vice President Biden and others for gun control measures the NRA at the beginning -- like it was back on its heels in this fight but now is gaining some ground.
And this is power plant welcome back Internet.
And welcome back by the way to Jennifer -- she's the executive director of the Hispanic leadership network.
And Jennifer it's -- -- wrong.
Inside the conservative side of things to incorporate.
Hispanics Latinos Latinos in chewed their movements -- Jennifer welcome back thank you.
And you know who else is available for insight on this is Pat Caddell who you've missed Internet I know that you -- Because he is Smart and good funny and insightful and act is fresh off in other.
Scintillating session of campaign insiders this morning here on live at foxnews.com welcome back -- to be reduced person really quite dramatic political -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Same game different.
But will call will will go back to where we can go back to campaign insiders next year yet.
That's right that's right okay so you guys have watched this play out.
In different iterations in the past but in this -- Pat I want to start with you.
Where -- the Democrats headed on this subject.
Is he is the president going to be able to forge some.
On the league teams were some kind of gun control well you know I did that no I think the answer is is that -- Did the senate Democrats -- -- uproar in red states are not going to go a long.
With something -- extreme that threatens them that's why Harry Reid took -- -- of the bill what I'm amazed at this the president's agenda right.
In the gun control -- Mike Bloomberg whatever they're doing talk about that.
But good but on the other side did you know that the real issues you wrote about this morning the CP president is getting is.
His head handed to -- on the sequestering now the White House tours.
The Democrats -- walk down some roads for him 57.
Of the in the senate.
For his position to keep the White House source close while the vice president's spending 600000 dollars a night in Paris -- stay at the embassy.
We have all the stop the spending we have all those -- -- health care coming up.
They are going to be on their on their rear ends I mean people aren't being shocked that some of the stuff I think obamacare start to cut into them.
It with this agenda we can't move the party -- -- he can't get enough and I just wanna say personal.
Where's my grandchildren were affected recently by an incident.
You know this effort of doing gun control to the exclusion.
Of what the country wants which is -- whole package metal health.
And in the -- the entire cultural issue.
Is it's been a loser from the word go because as much as the Americans may favor change in some aspects -- gun control which I do and background checks on me.
We are not in Charleston woman it was a left wing crazy.
Morning to -- children could use the gun right.
She'd been -- she had been done tried to assassinate President Bush but she was not only she was not background -- there there's there -- problems.
In those things are and they're not really solving it's all about -- political agenda in it was never gonna live that way.
And Jeff Burton for Republicans.
They would like to get past this subject even though they may be glad that the Democrats are at at loose ends on the subject.
Sooner or later this legislation probably in the next couple weeks is gonna come forward and it could prove.
Difficult for Republicans well I don't think it actually will prove -- -- -- I don't think so right now I mean you let the Democrats sort of play it out it got the president out they're going to campaign.
I'm going to control when is this senate majority leader Harry Reid is a union back in assault weapons -- and so I -- you can really good.
You can really let it play out there and the Democrats if you didn't have enough votes to pass gun control.
You know maybe maybe not the -- -- but certainly something I knew if if universal background -- Are brought forward.
Some Republicans especially from purple states.
Are gonna feel lot of pressure to vote -- There's a difference between universal background checks and -- that makes cents.
So you need to look at background checks that actually target criminals and turn to those who are declared mentally ill read those who are law abiding citizens and so you need to fix a system that already exist before -- can you put more legislation that there.
Half of the states right now don't even put forward those who have been mentally ill declared so that when you do background checks they -- -- the system.
So yeah -- have is that it.
-- guards -- -- will isn't isn't the deal here though basically.
That people want to Washington to do something.
Exactly what's in this something maybe less important as long as the president and others can say we'd have.
Asked background we expanded background checks whatever happens to you and they're.
-- as long as what doesn't happen I mean Schumer is proposing some stuff on background checks.
That just is not -- applied and I think he's proposing knowing it would -- if you you know you if you go out of town and your roommate he -- background check if you we've been gone for seven days or.
If you're Oregon range -- owned by having just crazy -- The answer is a national registry.
But serious stuff a mental health and criminals.
That's important countries for everyone in the country of sport whether they can do that the problem is the political games my guess is.
That -- -- very hard everyone likes something but in the end this issue doesn't matter Republicans need to get on the narrative on the issues that matter to them.
And and and and people in the country who wore hurting.
What's going home with the economy other things and instead we are in an agenda the president has chosen.
Which is reflective but not helpful to either party.
Jennifer you get -- work.
Well I just say that you know that is appearing -- -- play politics with this.
-- he is I think he's gonna -- because he can't focus on the economy and health care and things that actually matter to the American public he's gonna try to divide within the country with this one issue.
And I don't think he's gonna win not because he doesn't have the Democrats on the site and seeking to push them accident in two -- fourteen they're gonna have to also see where they voted on either side so.
I think that I didn't think the -- the president is going to be able to an honest Norris you know put anything meaningful force.
You better figure series and you better Peter nice to her husband's marine snipers who don't mess around.
Okay Internet that's Jennifer corn Jennifer thank you make any time for a day -- now -- we stay with us because I want I want you to share with the Internet.
A delicious rant that you had about the business of political consultant of which you are part and who's doing it wrong mr.
-- each day yeah -- Okay good Internet and -- on the way out of this here's what is and anyone listening said in the check this administration.
Isn't taking away your right.
To bear arms are just -- they're just trying to take away your ability to bear arms.
Say that's what he says and lots of good -- this this is ridiculous produces a lot of -- JD -- point says -- NRA have anything to do.
Did the NRA does -- -- have to do anything about gun control it's not like DC was ever planning to do anything.
Well you're probably right that if the NRA didn't offer credible threat -- the point then they would do something seriously it's true.
Okay we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back we're back now -- stick around.
They say that talk is cheap.
But not that talk that is Stuart Stevens who was -- senior strategists to Mitt Romney talking to 2012 Republican nominee and this is power play and look.
Stevens and other Republican consultants had -- -- didn't lucrative year.
In 2012 despite.
A way worse way worse than forecast performance across the board for Republican candidates.
Is there's a malpractice going on here is there is this -- seasons or malfeasance.
Actually -- delivered an oration at two C -- This year and where is he.
Consultant said the Republican consultants are -- -- their party and their candidates.
And pat nothing got the crowd going quite so much in quite the way that -- did.
It was -- moment -- you please reprise briefly your.
I'll just briefly I mean and let me just say I would like to tell people -- he could see the official version.
Of -- talked about was on a panel but it is the one speech that she packed -- amazingly is unable to get up.
Sort of you know suspects they can certainly yeah exactly exactly -- -- because -- -- after the republic what I said was.
And it goes to the RNC report which we also have to deal with here.
And look I am not -- -- in the consultants educational project things but.
But not you know I helped found a lot of it and -- what's been going on in recent years in both parts -- particularly liberal Republican Party.
Is what I described as something close to.
IA -- racketeering under the definition of -- Rico act.
I mean what we have our consultants what I cold for the Republicans why they lost so badly.
Is they have a consultant lobbyist.
The controls everything and all the money they took a billion dollars in wasted sort of the Romney campaign the super pacs the RNC.
And all of the consultants really benefited the one -- pointed out was that while the Obama campaign was advancing the ball amazingly.
On data binding and so forth and a little bit over done in terms.
You know be -- its chief of staff for the RN CMR Logan.
And -- political director of the Romney campaign mr.
-- and they're two companies they found 252 million dollars out is were reported by Adobe and December's.
At BC report.
To do the great Election Day program the collapse for the Republicans or -- among other things.
It is all of the self dealing might thing was about self dealing.
In people and did that basically don't care whether or not their party wins ultimately as long as they control.
The game and that there's all this close.
Arrangements of feeding stuff to each other having one media -- you the super pacs -- Romney super -- AFP and and the crossroads I'm going what is going on here and making terrible commercial the -- Stevens who I said that any presidential campaign.
That puts a consultant charge -- -- as opposed to someone committed to the candidate.
-- -- we have a good -- man who wasn't qualified is a lieutenant in the army tried to run Normandy in the invasion of Normandy.
Who wet time after time -- made an assumption they were gonna win.
And it and if you go to the RNC white washes are -- that it would be which it is it is based on the concept the ball.
There are great Jerusalem headline in 1970 is a scandal -- all guilty -- -- -- responsible.
What it's about -- all my gosh we're not the party of people Barnicle yes all that you don't play really wind and -- but nothing about.
On the strategic end.
The question could the election have been wanted to record what what's in it and -- anything that went through the actual strategic tactical -- is much less the arrangements.
All of this used to cover up.
Everything that went on to continue and I might point -- Republicans is simple it as long as you have an establishment -- That is controlling your party.
And in the end you're not gonna win this is second Washington parties.
If -- not gonna become the party of the outsiders and the essentially.
The anti Washington party your head -- the way it'll -- that was the real purpose and I said these people are controlling.
Pat it down just below pepper on your -- Internet hope you enjoyed it -- -- -- -- -- thanks to make integrys today and remember.
Political insiders watch them each Monday we thank you -- -- good to be with you Chris -- Okay Internet.
On the hunt Jonathan Hunt is -- an accent -- you like that and you do I've seen you tweet about it.
How about some power points because -- -- Charles today is it's Monday and you can't have trust can't work every day okay that may need some time off.
But how about some power points let's do that.
Big Three Big Three -- your power points you know it's funny Internet if you go back twenty years or even thirty years.
These same three -- social issues remain dominant in the United States.
And that is abortion.
Things about -- things.
And gay people and -- those things have been with a sense the era of Reagan.
They are with us still and attitudes have changed so at this moment.
As President Obama is trying to make some changes in all of these areas.
Let's take a quick look quick look at what people thought slow and steady so abortion support for elective abortion or abortion on demand or -- -- The the least restrictive version of abortion was much much higher.
Twenty years ago and it was -- thirty years ago -- Gallup is very good provides good resource on this the thirty years ago was much higher it is add an have been have been American now considers itself the majority pro life nation by which most of the respondents mean that -- in favor of substantial restrictions on abortion I think it should be available in certain circumstances.
But generally restricted so this is an area where conservatives have won in the trend lines have been clear.
Demonstrable and moving in the same direction so this is that's what we know about that fight.
Number two sudden surge.
In the course of just three or four years American attitudes about gay marriage have changed dramatically now whatever you attribute that to.
In the search has been unmistakable at twenty -- -- in some polls just a matter three years.
Most Americans now believe.
That gay -- -- OK or at least they don't think that it's something worth fighting to stop.
Now whether this lasts we don't know whether the supreme court's decision tomorrow effects that we don't know either.
But that's the state of play about a twenty point shift just in the last few years after for a long time being an absolute loser.
For liberals and the third one.
It's up and down up and down.
That's -- gun control.
Gun control has been whopper -- because when something happens in the news that drives the discussion.
Support for gun control surges and then as we're seeing now it fades fades days.
So here's what power play and our points and predict is that in time abortion will be more -- more rare rare.
Gay marriage is on its way.
-- at least for a lot of states.
And as far as gun control goes it will continue to be a rear guard action with lots of fighting and that's why the contributions not -- -- public opinion but contributions by NRA groups and anti gun groups will have the biggest thing that's what gets past those are your power points.
Thanks for being with -- we'll see you back here tomorrow.
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