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Welcome back to the -- I'm your host James Rosen and we are broadcasting live on live -- foxnews.com today from our Washington bureau.
And we need of course on a day on which the Supreme Court is hearing oral arguments.
In a case that could stand to redefine.
What marriage is.
That a whole lot more is going on in our political scene and we are pleased to welcome.
For discussion of it truly distinguished Fox News contributor former senator.
From the state of Indiana former governor of the state of Indiana also the author of the book from father to son a private life in the public -- Please welcome to the fox hole.
Evan Bayh Evan thanks so much for joining us -- -- -- -- what do you make of this of this recent series of announcements on gay marriage that we're seeing from from political figures across the -- Well part of it's because of the Supreme Court case.
Making it more prominent part of it's just -- changing in society this is an evolution that is an issue on which the public is evolving.
Young people tend to have one view older people tend to have another view.
And so it's natural to public figures would speak out.
But let's listen to.
A recent announcement on this subject from a leading figure.
In the Democratic Party.
LG BT Americans.
Are our power leaks are teachers our soldiers our friends.
Our -- once.
And they are full and equal citizens and deserve the rights of citizenship.
That includes marriage.
That's why I support marriage for lesbian and gay couples.
What about you Evan -- on this subject as a as a prominent Democrat yourself were you ever asked to weigh on weigh in on this subject in your political career.
-- know this can appreciate so much political -- although let me take that back in defense of marriage act came up while I was governor.
And I did sport that at the time along with Bill Clinton you signed until they present.
Who signed it but you know like a lot of Americans my thinking is involved in this issue and I think there's -- News a story right there Jim you've got Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney.
Agreeing on this issue -- has got to be rarer instance but it just shows how this really cuts across ideological and partisan boundaries you have.
Dick Cheney Rob Portman recently Republican senator from Ohio not exactly a hot -- of you know liberalism.
Ken -- former head of the Republican Party and many others have adopted the same view that mrs.
Clinton -- -- so I think twenty years from now.
-- sixteen years from now this will be much of a debate.
But it is it is currently -- for the -- of the two parties might might might strong suspicion is that most Americans well this is an important issue.
Their focus like a laser on jobs the economy and what we need to do to create more economic prosperity.
You can log in using your -- Twitter or FaceBook account right beneath me on your screen to send questions in for our guest Evan Bayh former senator and governor.
From Indiana and Fox News contributor.
Where if you have questions for me.
But I suspect they're going to be for heaven by.
Hillary Clinton of course I'm still remains.
A figure some potency in the Democratic Party do you think she's gonna run for president again.
I don't know.
I think that's you've -- -- -- -- -- health assuming her health is good.
Obviously for -- it's not she won't pay for health is good I think the chances are probably slightly better than 5050.
My guess is you -- -- some sodium pentothal and her drinking water she would know right now.
But knowing her over a long period of time it's an extra in the armed services committee.
Took an international -- -- -- -- Afghanistan Iraq places like -- endorsed her in 2008 and I did she and her husband had been longtime friends.
She has a responsibility -- part of her DNA and the thought of his serve in the country possibly historic capacity.
I think assuming her health is good.
Would probably be something that would have a lot of appeal to her so my guess is she's gonna -- read a book.
Do some good works and do a lot of -- taking over the next year or so and then we'll find out but if you if you well it depends on -- -- -- probably would become awfully glad my -- does not depend.
And we won't seek to arrange that here.
Democrats in general seem less.
Biologically inclined when they're selecting their nominees then Republicans.
To turn to the person whose quote unquote turned it is who's waited patiently or who was recently narrowly defeated etc.
The political equivalent of the -- -- premise janitor and yet -- right exactly and so.
Keeping this taxing on a -- of things do you do you see that.
-- that either Hillary Clinton or Joseph Biden.
Would would have the kind of the pole position here or run a mixed metaphors -- -- Forgive us our you don't I do but not because you know they paid their dues and waited their turn that sort of thing -- -- the the Republican Party historically it may be changing now with the advent of the Tea Party and more robust primaries and Republicans like that historically they've tended to pick their next one off.
Democrats not so much that we looked up for referrals in your bare -- fights and that sort of thing.
It's been a problem for us over the years is also one of our -- -- equality so.
Both of them we'll start with -- one former First Lady.
United States senator by all indications very successful secretary of state left very popular.
Would be very strong in the primaries and caucuses can raise money.
Deeply -- those sorts of things as the best political advisor on earth she's married to.
So it's it's her unique abilities experience.
That she would bring to an election that I think rather -- just she's paid her dues.
Would make current by -- -- the front runner for the nomination.
If she decides not to run.
Then Vice President Biden serve very ably in the senate has been a loyal and effective vice president.
And I think would have white support in the party because of the way he served in this administration so.
Democrats in general tend surprise.
Charisma perhaps more than Republicans do.
Does that mean that somebody like.
Governor Cuomo in New York.
Would have a real opportunity here do you think to ensure that there is there is room for a Barack Obama like figure.
In the Democratic Party post Barack Obama.
Yeah I do these things are all unique Ronald Reagan clearly -- the use candidate but -- a lot of charisma.
And -- been some Democrats in the past and maybe workers medically challenged them.
You know I think that there will always be room if if mrs.
Clinton runs she will be a dominating front runner.
And I think it is most likely the people you would see challenger would either be auditioning for vice president.
Or be thinking down the road for eight years -- she was not successful didn't hear all of that in 2007.
Yes but I just don't see figure out there quite the capacity.
That Barack Obama had at that time but -- saw him that way.
True but you had the Iraq.
Were deeply divided the party.
He was on one side of that divide she was on another you had a number of factors going on an historic nature of his candidacy and a whole host of ways.
He's a very talented individual.
And so forth.
Circuit but they -- directly -- your question.
Sure someone like -- Governor Cuomo would have a lot of appeal there is always a space I think in both parties for someone to run from outside Washington against Washington particularly when.
The federal government is not polling very well understandably with the American people -- so governor.
It's it much more common for governors to ascend to the presidency people tend to choose executives to be an executive.
And you know Carol the baggage that that Washington brings today.
Is is there someone else besides Andrew Cuomo that you would tell people here's an up and -- to cure and that person in the Democratic Party.
Their whole host of the Martin O'Malley is a very talented person -- governor of of Maryland.
We -- -- -- -- -- a fairly long list but as long as Hillary Clinton is there.
She dominates the field if she does not run for any reason and -- Vice President Biden starts off as a clear front runner.
But I think -- find other people getting in.
Who probably would not if on -- squadrons.
And are you don't collect moral politics.
Well on -- I miss.
You know life is one you never know the answer -- that is probably but I -- public service like the idea of -- my statement country.
And so it's not impossible -- might choose to get back into -- life but not not right now.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The fallacy of it.
We don't need a new idea there is an idea the idea called America and it's still work.
The GO PO.
Has grown stale.
And Moscow for the new GOP.
-- need to embrace liberty in both the economic and personal -- All right to rising stars in the Republican Party senators Marco Rubio of Florida and Rand Paul Kentucky respectively.
I've shown addressing conservatives at the annual C pac conference recently we are back in the foxhole with former senator and governor from Indiana Democrat and Fox News contributor Evan Bayh what do you make of these two fellows -- And Marco Rubio and Rand Paul.
Well I've only met each of them briefly but they both are very capable people with something to say and I think both bear watching.
I think perhaps.
Senator rubio has potential to reach out and appealed a little bit broader constituency.
What -- say that.
Well he's young charismatic.
Obviously -- Hispanic heritage would help to bridge that divide from the last election.
And yet he has -- real street cred with the conservatives in the party so.
Senator Paul has a very loyal following among the Tea Party the conservative element -- remains to be seen.
Whether he can expand that appeal to those independent and moderate voters you need to not when the primaries.
There's actually win the general election which ultimately is what it's all about do you think the Tea Party is helping or hurting the Republican Party.
Both the Tea Party is very helpful to the democratic to the Republican Party.
When it is part of the broader coalition bringing the energy the volunteers the financial contributions all that sort of thing very helpful.
When they actually take over the nominating process and succeeded nominate candidates that are perceived by the broader electorate.
As being someone outside of the mainstream they can be harmful we can you mentioned 345 -- the United States senate races in the last two cycles.
Where the Republican candidate for better or worse rightly or wrongly was viewed as being outside of the mainstream.
Those were elections the Republicans had a very good chance to win and didn't because of the nature of the people they -- -- so the Tea Party can help or hurt.
Depending upon whether it's part of the coalition are actually taking over the party.
You can use your FaceBook or Twitter account to log in just beneath me on your screen and send us your questions for Evan -- which I hope you'll do Croatia because there is it's not just the Tea Party.
If if the far far left of the Democratic Party was taking over at which was the case in the 1970s.
-- we would be nominating candidates who would be an electable well and so it's at that that the party today.
That is most successful in general elections is that party -- most capable of including its most fervent elements in a broader coalition instead of just being solely defined.
-- them and so this would be a task for among others Ryan's previous chairman of the Republican Party who recently.
Unveiled this re branding program.
After months of study that included among other things recommendations for shortening the primary process.
And potentially eliminating some of the caucus states or to the caucus process he's.
In favor of primaries.
Because of the primary process by Republicans was seen as damaging to their eventual nominee Mitt Romney last year your thoughts on.
On the Republican Party as they undertake these series of reforms aimed at winning.
Well it's a challenging thing for a national party -- because ultimately a party is defined by its candidates who they are.
What the values they espouse from the embody those values is being authentic and so forth and so on.
So it's hard for the the chairman and him or herself to make the kind of -- shouldn't be made.
I'm gonna be -- to see.
The Republican Party right now to -- seems to be in some ways a lot like the Democrats in 1988.
Where we've just come off a shellacking we carried one state at a fifty.
And what did we do we nominated a fine man but he was a liberal from Massachusetts Michael -- -- Probably not the answer to our problems is what poorly at that moment in time and we went down to defeat -- it was a complicated election because Ross Perot was involved and there are a number of things going on.
Plus pru was named after he was 92 I was stressed forty to 92 so the question is -- the Republicans gonna behave more like the Democrats in 88.
Where we needed one more good beating.
Before 1992 came along and this governor from a small southern states was saying no the Democrats got a stake out the middle ground here.
We have to be for economic growth fiscal discipline strong defense those sorts of things that of course was -- Clinton.
Up to rebrand the Democratic Party.
And were electorally and from a policy standpoint we're successful.
Going on no question whether pearl had run what would've happened we'll never know.
But my point simply is I think the Republicans need to really look in the -- Try and broaden their appeal some.
Otherwise they may be more successful at nominating candidates -- electing him in the general election.
Are they are present today circumstances.
That we're not present in the late eighties and and and early 1990s that could make this task harder for the Republicans.
Actually -- -- starting with the electric being different you have a much larger Hispanic vote today.
Which are given the importance of the immigration issue is something that can help or hurt I think.
If you look and I don't -- -- the figures exactly your resume -- 7030 maybe -- twenty it was overwhelming Hispanics voted for for President Obama.
And even though there are a lot of things about the Hispanic community speaking broadly that republics can appeal to the into the entrepreneurial family oriented.
And so his faith.
Strong national security all those sorts of things.
But too often Republicans don't even get to have a conversation.
Because of the immigration issue which many Hispanics -- I believe interpret us look if if if that party had its way they would need to have us here.
And so until you cross that you don't even really get to have that kind of conversation to leave the electorate itself this is different today that it was back and a seventy -- That is one thing I I had in mind social media.
YouTube and and in the kinds of things that contribute to.
Being morph more of a frequent -- over -- incumbents that.
Well that is absolutely true and it tends to the way money is raised in the amount of money to tends to.
And forceful party orthodoxy.
Otherwise not only do get a primary challenger but the challenger actually has a lot of money to spend and actually -- platforms from which to get their message out.
My home state of Indiana was an example this last time.
Richard Lugar was a six term incumbent 36 years the United States and that this was a man who had the single highest percentage.
Of any Republican state United States senate supporting Ronald Reagan.
So as not as if he was -- kind of way liberal.
And yet he was attacked repeatedly in our primary.
Last year for having cooperated with the Democrats too much and it wasn't he didn't go for the Affordable Care Act didn't go for Dodd-Frank did vote for the stimulus it was not those kind of things.
It was other things apparently for two or three times he voted with Democrats so.
Attacked the primary in the point -- wanted to make is two -- number one there were millions of dollars.
Flooded -- -- in negative ads against Richard Lugar that would never happen back in the nineties the insurgents would have had.
Access to those kind of resources but here's the -- situation.
Richard Luger lost sixty to former.
So it was a -- losing 20 X 20 percent your primary.
Of -- Republicans voted in less than one in five.
Chose the party's nominee.
They chose Richard Murdoch who went on to then lose the seat in the fall to a Democrat Joseph -- -- there if Richard Lugar had been not with a lesson is twofold.
Is it maybe even half of Republicans had voted.
Richard Lugar probably would have been -- -- Are -- telling us the primary process is catering to them to a certain sliver of the party.
Unfortunately most Americans don't tend to participate in primaries it's only view most fervent supporters of the most engage.
And in the Democratic Party that tend to be further to the left of the Republican Party they tend to be further than the right you go too far neither of those directions and you end up with a candidate.
That has trouble being successful in the fall my state is a more conservative and there for all else being equal more Republican state.
And yet mr.
Murdoch was not able to carry Indiana any -- that Mitt Romney was winning my state by 10%.
-- -- that's hard do.
We just have about thirty seconds in this segment I want to show the cover of the book that you wrote.
A decade ago it was called from father to son private life in the public eye and of course.
Your father was was also in the family business birch -- Did he ever give you.
A single piece of advice or wisdom that that you have taken with you throughout your political career and civil.
Well I really admired my father growing -- Bristol do I'm -- your 40s85 years beyond.
And still you know active.
I hope that's read Terry but the one thing I learned from my father.
I was his campaign chairman in 1980 when he lost.
Think ten democratic senators lost -- -- the Reagan no legislative 1980.
And the thing my take away from that she was there there -- as painful as it can be.
To lose an election and there's an inevitable sense of her personal rejection when something like that happens even worse would be to stand for -- The only reason and truth -- I learned that from him and it was my experience being governor and senator.
The only reason to run for office is because you believe passionately in something that you think will make a difference in this country and -- want to walk over hot holes.
And put your family through a lot of difficulties.
Because you believe so strongly that will be good for your -- citizens understated for our country that's the main thing.
That's what it's all about it's not about ego it's not -- applause it's about what you believe and why you think it would make a difference that ultimately -- -- You get into publicly or should -- In my business it's about ego and applause -- you will be back shortly after a small break once again here in the foxhole with that in mind.
Stay with us.
Back to the foxhole we are showing you some economic statistics here on our screen they include.
The unemployment rate.
Nationally for the month of February which stood at seven point 7% about where -- -- for some time now still hovering near the 8% mark that proved so critical in all the election discourse last year.
Let's move to the February jobs report which showed that 236000.
Jobs were added.
To the economy in February.
That's a terrific number -- the president and for the country.
In the end however it would need to be sustained -- about that level just to keep it account of population growth.
And then we'll show you one more thing -- February housing report.
Which tells us a quarter the National Association of Realtors.
That total existing home sales increased.
Just modestly point 8% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate.
Of nearly five million units sold in the month of February the previous statistics of course come from.
The US Bureau of Labor Statistics were back in the foxhole former Indiana senator and governor.
Democrat and Fox News contributor Evan -- there's a lot of titles there but I'm trying to do just all of them.
My favorite is dead the truth that cover the vote for -- -- You used you were on the banking committee.
Through very long time right -- -- Peterson of twelve here are all twelve years -- in the senate.
Your thoughts about where the economy stands right now.
Well it is a very slow recovery which has been -- satisfying to date.
That's not surprising Jim when you look at the history of recoveries following financial panics.
They tend to be a longer more sluggish for a variety of reasons consumers have to build back their spending power that's been -- to happen real wages have been stagnant for a decade.
Finally housing prices are starting to come back so you may get some modest wealth effect there but the real variable.
-- off his confidence.
Business people don't have any confidence in the future and they're not gonna build new plants and hire people unless -- think there's going to be a demand for their goods and services.
And they don't have generally somebody often two or three months -- so they're putting off those things so bottom line is I think that -- more regulatory certainty fewer regulations right now.
And I think you know this talk about further tax increases I don't think it's helpful with the economy area.
You cut taxes when you were governor of Indiana correct.
Yes we did how did that tells -- structured Democrats and Republicans working together accomplished that's the political -- -- the actual tax -- structure where they targeted to a certain class poor Q what we had no tax increases of any kind income.
Sales corporate taxes and tax that we reduced substantially.
Jim back in those days.
It was not uncommon for people to pay you know.
-- maybe more for a license plate there was a big attacks on license plates for automobiles we cut that in half and so that was a real relief for many many countries.
So given your own record as a governor and what you did with the economy in India.
And given what you just said about the tendency of regulation to create.
Economic uncertainty on the part of job creators.
It seems to me that.
You would probably be disappointed with this president and the approach he's taken.
To the economy.
Because he has vastly increased regulation -- -- as factual matter and has not embraced tax cuts the way that you did so with that we are slow to recover.
Is it not attributable to the policies of this president.
Where there's a reason he's president I'm not and that is that maybe he's a little more depth some of these things and I am but I do have a somewhat different point of view.
I think right now we need to emphasize economic growth we're struggling with the budget deficit that's something we need to get on top of but if we can grow this economy even marginally faster over the next ten years it does -- for getting the deficit down.
Keeping the debt from exploding bombs which I think is a real risk once interest rates start to rise -- social for me.
I would have a moratorium on new regulations.
For the next couple of years to want to you know the business community know look you know what the rules are you can have confidence and certainty about making these decisions.
And I personally would wait to to have any additional.
-- taxes until the economy -- -- what we call escape velocity growing at 330%.
So that if you're taking a little bit more it's not really.
Dampening demand and are harming the economy.
Putting aside the dysfunction.
Of the political discourse in this country today particularly on the subjects of budgets and taxing and spending.
Do you think that this president.
From what you hear is committed to.
Addressing our debt issue and in terms of the principal drivers which are by all accounts entitlement programs do you get the sense that he's actually committed to doing what has to be done.
-- respect those programs.
Well like -- you the answer is yes but -- at a different place right now.
And I think we have work yet to be done it remains to be seen how strong.
Either side the president or some of -- temperatures in congress feel about this over there -- make some compromises.
He's so I wrote -- and our that piece of the Wall Street journalist on the sentencing Democrats should lead the way.
In addressing our deficit problems I got a handwritten note from the president three or four days later that just said great piece -- video Wall Street Journal let's work on this together now.
Was he -- I try to make me feel good probably but he didn't need to do that I was on Air Force One wants a little bit later -- -- -- -- to -- Indiana to make an announcement.
About some hope for plant that was going to be hiring people.
Call me up to his -- -- study on the plane and said just to visit him or talk to about the deficit you were governor you -- -- budgets what do you think I should do.
And wants -- to -- -- -- -- me down for the sole purpose of talking about that and so.
That tells region he really does sort of an in an intellectual level get a -- -- to place right now or think many of his advisors are telling him and where the president days bought into the surround I don't know they're saying.
We -- more than sixty some percent of the problem if you look at the steps that are or have been taken so.
Over the next you know 67 years not going to be -- bigger problem on our watch would explode after that yes.
But are they willing to really you know do it has to be done and entitlements.
Unless the Republicans are -- to raise taxes more which I don't think they're going to do.
My maybe not so we may be in a position right now where everything that's has been done -- It going to be done has been done on the deficit.
I think that's unfortunate I think one of his legacies could be reforming entitlements to really put the debt and deficit on a much better trajectory going forward.
I wanted it to go to China it may take a Democrat to do that.
Evan Bayh is the former senator and governor of the state of Indiana Democrat in a Fox News contributor he's also the author of from father to son a private life in the public I.
We thank you for visiting us here in the -- it's great great Q did you think I'm your host James Rosen broadcasting from our Washington bureau -- will see two weeks from now.
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