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-- Malcolm welcome back our -- former New Jersey governor Jim McGreevey.
Thursday night they'll be an HBO film at 8 o'clock.
On him and what he's doing now and Alexandra Pelosi who did this and what's interesting to -- governors it.
You didn't know this was taking place you to know she was filming -- but she was trailing you right.
Well but basically what you're doing it's usually spending time and Alexander reached out and asked if we wanted to do a documentary.
And with respect.
Important and I thought -- you know.
Our lives have been talked about and so we did you know.
Thanks but no thanks -- Alexander persisted and she wanted to spend time.
With the women in jail and -- That's creation developed a special bond with the -- and some of whom had come out.
And there are reports circumstances and -- public housing or become addicted.
Could -- prescription drugs.
But for whatever reason they had lost their -- -- life and now we're behind bars.
And Alexander with her little hand held -- camera.
Literally an -- graced by listening to these amendments and giving them -- so that they could tell their stories.
But you know you're being -- -- and if you were the subject here and I guess you fell under the rubric of -- forgiveness not permission right.
And that's the alligators weigh in at a much quite sure she'd thought that it really work David documentary -- -- started.
But what you spend time with the women and then all of that and very real ways.
The woman -- story in my story it was an overlapping narratives.
And that is you know trying to do like better.
It's interesting to me that it's called Paul and people should get to grace.
Not from grace.
Exactly and I think for me -- did the notion was that when I was in politics.
Other value system was very much based on itself.
The need to get elected they need to continue to get reelected.
Money and ego involved all -- Rose -- -- to which speak Hebrew Bible refers.
-- blessing because.
Win back after my resignation I began to think not only the importance of being trans turn didn't.
Accepting my -- -- authenticity.
But also looking to church to do like differently and that it is supreme frankly to move from.
That the -- -- I know returns tremendously -- -- you know all the action but it was also building a relationship where -- my higher power and it.
You know my sense.
And been trying to do what -- -- -- What was the turning point for you other than of course that very public press conference.
We use -- I'm a gay American but after that.
And you had to go to a personal held what was the turning point for you in terms of then becoming the person you are now.
I think you're a pretty -- church and -- -- if you wanted to do anything for what you do and -- we thought about seminary and I had occasion to ago two general theological seminary in New York correspondent.
-- -- the most rewarding years.
And -- the seminary suggested that I go up to a -- re entry program and Harlem.
And get it on almost because it was a cheap place because -- knew that.
You know the women and men there weren't judgments.
Event began to see that.
You know these are people -- -- for the same things that I yearn to know whether it's slowed I don't secure home.
Truth to raise their children.
They had started -- secure world the starting lineup like her differently than I did.
And they had learned behaviors.
Which roll around -- as you're copping drugs running and gunning.
And by virtue of replicating those -- papers they have wound up behind bars.
So -- -- emotional -- -- and and beginning to change how we view ourselves it was important to me.
And then it was also my experience working with -- -- with people you know within six months.
Of the age of light -- and reflecting upon.
You know what makes sensible what's important -- and you know we're we should put -- time or energy.
Tender our efforts.
Do you relate at all to the person you were back then.
-- -- -- and at some point in time.
I know I I think that I wanted I know I wanted to do good in politics I think part of it -- Our own little -- a closet.
And some psychological level not to resort to psychopath but I was looking for there -- -- recognition and support corporate information of others.
And coming out sort of claiming -- identity in an open way he was a transformative experience.
And let me to this past.
And it's also we don't have your support group -- loving Cambodia.
Oh wonderful partner and children.
Attitude a map display and so.
-- -- -- You know teenagers gay teenagers LG BT community has to claim -- troops.
But I also know the reality in some places in America it's a part started to do than others.
I think of Tyler Clementi in my own stated maturity.
Young woman I was talking to -- out of Washington who's from Idaho.
When she came out and high school.
Actually it's you know kicked out or thrown an a flight of stairs and you know the principal wasn't there were there.
The church feature wasn't -- -- supporter so.
I think America is going to be get to that place.
I think particularly among our young people they've already gotten there.
And hopefully at some point in time we.
As a country understand the importance it's -- telling people to be who they are.
As part of God's creation -- Does it seem and some voice and perhaps that you had a little -- at a time when.
Had you perhaps emerged politically years later that would have had to be the case.
Yeah but it -- it's you know for a reason and entire you know I look at people like Sean Maloney from New York.
I'm Tammy Baldwin -- at just you know bit Democrats believe strongly in support and obviously also what are Republicans in terms -- -- Evans grappling with.
We need to change did the GOP perspective.
I think it will help and then the -- of liberty always -- -- justice in this country.
And it will come.
I just -- estate go to hell of a nation and and particularly those young people growing up I would rather happen sooner than later.
One of the articles about Q and that the the film is going to be on HBO there's -- -- -- fall to grace.
Talk to Richard your second wife Dina saying that she was duped into the marriage and that.
You say it was a mutually agreed upon contrivance.
To help your public life is that is that accurate that -- that's what.
Again -- sort of -- will invoke their lives have moved on and I would just like to look into the future and allow Perez who's -- -- -- And just encourage -- in terms of this documentary the importance.
Are trying to do -- blowing their -- tangled with that authenticity.
I thought that Pelosi has two very interesting question which you said what was worse.
Having to be heterosexual or to be a politician.
-- pivotal because.
He does that mean require.
A commute for me and I'm not judgment of any other elected official but -- certain kind of -- -- -- And and so living life on life's terms.
And working with these women.
It's clearly a simpler more.
More scientific way of living -- Are you out of the Catholic Church now looking to be a minister in -- in the it is because of the church or -- I -- left the Catholic Church but I mean if I was rejected.
Coordination but episcopal church but I'm not looking to do that any longer on the news looking -- continue to serve -- torment.
Been in jail and in prison and to be here and hopefully care to share this sturdy but the woman you know as I have.
Is there -- huge Olivia back in the politics.
I don't know -- and it -- -- it's so critically important.
But no I think I may have been a better place where god willing I can provide for more service.
And healthier place.
Is it possible if you went back the politics you could really transform politics and -- very different kind of politician.
If you were to in fact go on that path at some point in the future.
Yeah and they also I also think it's important in terms of -- advocates say that there aren't a lot of people in prisons I think.
-- just reflecting in my own experience I used to drive by them and you know the hard concrete walls football acquired.
Anderson think -- appeared they had people.
In a bad place and just.
You know move -- and move on.
-- -- on intellectually and not think commuted the tragedy in America right now we have more people incarcerated than any country in the world.
Busch's number two enrolled on December parade.
And if I could drive the point that 70% of the people behind bars in the United States or other.
They're they're -- they're quadriplegic its -- percent.
But only 11%.
Receive any treatment so the reality is is that people spend tremendous time behind bars.
They don't get treated for their addiction which is the cause of their criminal behavior they get out.
They go back to the same corner -- to same -- put the same drug dealer.
And within three years two thirds of them have committed a felony.
So what we're suggesting it's the importance of treatment you have to treat the addiction addiction as a disease check.
And ignore it -- it is to suffer.
Well criminality the -- They did in the importance of working.
We were part of all the people in Georgia -- work while they're in -- and also around when they get out horrible moment.
Until -- -- community which we have schools within our community in jail rules of behavior -- -- governance.
And -- -- -- get out of jail they -- serving communal transitional housing for six months where obviously -- monitored for their compliance.
With addiction treatment.
Also they continued to make a graphical reentry don't want a real problem -- historically three remembered as sort of drop commuter bus stricker.
They look at the four walls -- and there are.
-- -- partner -- -- and many -- the committee of the political and addiction becomes a way of coping.
Without -- domestic.
Aren't sure that sexual violence the repeated rape brings up their lives and so what we try to do his black -- his three legged stool over.
And worked out.
Wouldn't judge legalization.
And putting efforts instead of towards interdiction.
To treatment be better in terms of handling the drug issue in this country.
You know I think the real problem it is their criminal statutes and what I would like to -- it change -- The whole notion of incarceration to treatment and I think that have to be that threshold.
And I think that's cool -- coming but it's not coming quicken up.
-- if you look at the burgeoning US prison population.
We were locking up more and more people.
And the children of offenders or six times more likely to wind up in prison.
So look to the extent that people like Chris Christie you weapons to -- Republican.
And Democrats like Andrew Cuomo.
Understand the importance of treatment to be getting to move the group -- -- move the needle but not quickly enough.
-- -- -- -- -- They're doing something about your greeting people before they get into -- I would obviously 70% of people in prison or other -- We need to be in the business of providing treatment behind those walls.
Does Governor -- get the message you think on them.
You know I you know -- an issue.
Drug education treatments.
-- can disagree with Chris and other issues he has been extraordinary.
And he has not always on legislation he put money in his budget.
And you know an addiction isn't a democratic or Republican -- sure it happens one family at a time.
Not only devastate so one person could frequently appeared at the entire area of the Kremlin.
Governor appreciate you -- it was tonight you're.
The film about view and -- what you're doing is -- great Tony what are.
And the women involved why women is a particular women you work with not meant so much.
Because she women -- historically disadvantaged population imprisoned dementia because there have been a population is so much larger output through the woman with whom I worked at Allen all of the many of them had children.
And so it was about stopping their repetitive cycle.
And beginning to try to work with these women.
And to get them a place where they could stand up where they could be -- where they can work political -- and one reunification.
When he's -- -- with their children on the outside.
It's you know the computer -- -- and -- And redemption but as good as it gets initiated twelve year old kid.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And it's 8 o'clock tomorrow night Thursday night and HBO governor thank -- -- -- talking -- -- -- imports are appreciated -- -- thank you --
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