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I'm Alex don't want to welcome to our microphones Kathy -- and she is a North Dakota State rep Republican pro lifer.
North -- -- is certainly making news because of its very strict.
Abortion laws -- should -- anti abortion laws were now that's the fetal heartbeat bill make any legal after six weeks of pregnancy.
-- Kathy what's interesting about Q is his pro lifer you're not supporting us.
I know I'm pro life for -- And that everyone else to get to make that decision as well.
So you getting some push back for your fellow.
And I'm a pro choice sir -- -- the other side anti choice there's but that -- Mammoth banner that -- yeah.
And you're OK without -- -- pro lifers don't like when I do -- is that -- my sides anti life which I don't.
-- -- -- -- You know anybody that's pro abortion.
Well you're actually correct except you know what the languages.
That people use in this Irish say the right wing has been better with people like Frank Luntz.
You know hotels -- you head -- frame an argument.
And by saying your pro life keep the you know and obviously.
The presumption is well the other side must be at their life and yet I caught -- called pro abortion nobody's pro abortion.
I mean legal safe and rarely Bill Clinton said right.
Exactly it is illegal medical procedure at -- trying to make it illegal it is just it -- -- that.
So how do you reconcile that as some want a U Catholic by any chance.
-- okay it's not a religious thing with you.
No it's not -- -- there are so many different situations in life that people are are forced to face.
And up until the day anyway no one has been on my show that they hear in church.
-- -- I have used it would it would hate it title of his.
In the legislature we have an opportunity to do some.
Some really good legislation on prenatal care and health insurance for children and and you know early childhood education and helping mom -- back to school both -- that they -- what I would care pro life.
We don't pass any of bill so I -- the people who vote for the bill cleat chit chat -- -- Then then that's an interesting way to put it now -- an alleged Democrats -- think like you people like Mario Cuomo gave a famous speech at Notre -- years ago when he was governor of New York he's in a Catholic.
I would not choose abortion but I can't tell other people.
The government should tell the people what to do about it that's largely democratic position even to the point where members of the Catholic Church including the current Pope the new Pope.
Has suggested that if you're Catholic and feel that way you should not be able to take communion.
Who which inflates of course public life and private life.
So I wonder what kind of a you have your fellow pro lifers and fellow Republicans -- -- with you for taking these positions.
Com they might be but it's not a that is that a new position for me had been around for seventeen years then.
I had a 100% voting record so it.
-- 2% -- record -- -- with like the pro life groups and urban.
-- -- -- -- -- The current because they didn't -- it.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Right so you're you're actually it's a very interesting thought you have that being pro life and being pro choice or not mutually exclusive.
-- I think they've been saying.
Without so it -- refreshing to hear because.
No -- says that.
That they -- it if you believe in personal responsibility which -- the Tenet of the Republican Party or equity if they.
They Ivan thank you are acting setting prick somebody else should -- setting for yourself.
Well I've always said and I'm a liberal Democrat but I've always said little much more liberal than Democrats but.
I I bush say that I really have the conservative position on this because I think the government should stay out of it.
Absolutely we -- -- a true conservative position.
If you really -- -- you can -- I don't think it's Republican or democratic position I think it is a personal position.
In recent years it has become more political I don't think that's done anyone any create.
So what's gonna happen in North Dakota because you've got the problem of a lawsuit surely to come your way to the cost the taxpayers money in your state have simply a cost benefit.
Vantage point that can't be good for -- -- You know we're varies very fortunate North Dakota we -- -- We all have great farmers and good graces -- now and though things that come together erratic actually.
We have opportunities.
Coming out carriers and yet we are taking that time -- were only infection.
Eighty -- period a year would not -- -- time while we're here to be visionary and that's that's my job we have infrastructure needs to know left with fellow bubble we have education.
Funding needs we have.
An elderly people we have a lot of those.
We need to make sure we're doing the right things for -- We have so many things we could be looking at when apple would crack at by the -- sport we are only 11 -- but yet that's about it too.
The beside the fetal heart bill there's also the one which says he's got to be.
You have to have.
Privileges -- local hospitals that you can perform abortions which means that the red river clinic is gonna have to close probably right.
Well I'm more hopeful that there will be an injection.
So that it -- -- Kelly go to court and then when that's when it's here on out that they will not have to close.
Yeah and I think it's a you know again you're denying services to women who legally should be able to have -- also.
The law that would require doctors performing abortions to get admitting well that's a mini -- and -- -- that the other -- unemployment implement to talk about the when the talks about gender preferences.
Which I I I practiced that -- -- And that -- not something you hear.
Right and how do you prove that a woman is having an abortion because it's going to be -- girl.
You never -- that when it.
I mean did doubt that this kind of silly bill.
Or genetic defects like.
Down syndrome for example.
Well and people again.
These terror really personal choices but that either I mean it's something that happens -- that I didn't nobody's nobody can you speculation.
How do you prove we'll hear it should you have to tell the government.
What do or doctor I mean aren't -- -- Dodgers between doctor and patient privilege but should the government be involved with passing laws which region would be telling the government if it goes to trial.
That here's the reason why I -- an abortion the the government has to say that's okay or not okay why would you want the government involvement.
Well I -- and at a bigger content for me right now is it would actors.
We wanted to come here.
We were growing state we want people to -- and -- rural and you know not when it's not always great to.
It's putt but I don't.
And so a -- being people again people here is important we want -- is -- good place to raise your family.
My husband and I raised two great kids want to let that these -- want -- -- it would -- You know there they -- very -- data over what happened this week.
What do you say to people though who are.
True believers in that it is a life it's murder you're taking a life and I can't in good conscience.
-- make this legal voting anyway that'll allow this to happen because I believe that is a human life how do you.
Response to that.
I'd say I respect your opinion that's also part of being pro choice.
Yeah that's true.
But I say to people who buy that argument of you think it's taking a life -- you wanna try women for murder.
Well -- -- the content and it's -- and what you're saying as a legitimate comment.
And I would tell you that -- are several that would say yes.
Yeah I mean I've had caller say -- to me that put put.
You know women's accessory to a women accessories to murder if if if they hired doctor which would be -- hit man write to him compete you know do this kind of.
Every we had a -- -- couple questions ago everyone went to jail.
If it's it's remarkable and -- Kathy Hudson is our guest that you think you've introduced in your seventeen years in the state legislature.
As you alluded to earlier pro health pro life fiscally responsible legislation prenatal care for -- -- one bill ensuring quality child care for single moms that is pro life right.
So I love the way your defining -- framing the whole argument.
And enabling people who are Indy pro life to have eight justifiable argument as to why maybe they wouldn't vote.
Tips get in the way of women exercise and there what is legal and also the notion that.
In -- -- to -- which means establish law the idea that somehow overturn Roe vs.
Wade to continue to fight that fight may not be the best direction for the Republican -- I I don't think it's -- good direction for our country.
And health issues.
We believe with enough -- to try to figure out how we're gonna pay for it how -- gonna make it.
Didn't work station -- more affordable.
We don't need to be adding to that problem and I think this this simply does it does not have a place -- government.
Who represented the clock and appreciate you coming soon and it's not -- president -- at it very thanks so much citizen -- -- in North Dakota State rep.
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