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What is very clear about scripture and that God's word is is all -- is it be authoritative guide for Christians he is not.
Politicians is not.
Senator and member of congress or the president this was.
-- It -- Church here that's been.
Visited by presidents of both parties for many many years.
Reaction there from both the family research council.
And the White House in just the last hour or so after an Easter Sunday sermon gets rather political with President Obama and his family in attendance.
The pastor Luis Leon was delivering his sermon at saint John's episcopal church handle the White House when he said in part quote.
It drives me crazy when the captains of the religious right are always calling people back.
For blacks to be back in the back of the bus for women to be back in the kitchen for gays to be in the closet.
And for immigrants to be on their side of the border.
Joining me now to discuss it Bernard Whitman he's a former pollster for President Bill Clinton.
David Webb who was hosted the David -- show on Sirius XM's -- channel and father Gerald Burton who leads the church of the holy family in the United Nations in New York.
This pastor certainly south of firestorm and it was rather unexpected I think you know that this is up from a pool report the White House is pool reporters that follow the president.
And it appeared everywhere today for the Washington Post and elsewhere talking about how the pastor through folks for a bit of a loop.
With these kind of closer if you father I -- this doesn't exactly be the homily you do you delivered at mass yesterday.
That homily was not delivered -- my church we talked about the resurrection in joy and hope and the power of Christ in the world.
To started throwing charges of racism at the religious right is is completely inappropriate wrong and it's not what you're supposed to do -- church.
The reverend really needs to back to the drawing board come over the better sermon.
-- this is -- this is a pastor who's been really well revered by a lots of presidents and he's good friends with George W.
Bush they said and you know he missed look at his second inauguration of George W.
Bush not to mention -- second -- -- -- -- A Barack Obama.
Why did -- do this what what do you think of these -- The most I think that he's calling people out some on the religious right do have a tendency to romanticize the past and talk about the good old days and the fact is -- he said.
The good old days weren't so good for a lot of groups for gays for women for immigrants for blacks.
And he's trying not to religious teaching and I'm Jewish but as I understand Jesus -- marry you can't go back -- the problem.
The frankly the Republican Party has.
And the religious right has.
Is -- their constant looking backwards while America is going fortune missile it is appropriate for -- perhaps I hardly think it's Sunday because calling out bigotry of any kind including religious based bigotry is absolutely correct in the purview.
Of our moral and religious teachers perhaps they think it it makes perfect sense.
They don't want to ask you want has -- you yesterday where do you think of it we've teed up a few sound -- From Fox News Channel from commentators on Fox News Channel after doctor Ben Carson.
Got political at the national prayer breakfast and you'll see folks in this -- -- -- -- from the left and the right condemning that watch.
Is not a place to be -- political statements.
But I'm -- I thought it was just inappropriate.
I think it was inappropriate it's -- -- -- agree with his remarks.
I wouldn't disagree with a single thing he said it's just wasn't the right venue for doing -- and in my view didn't live up to the purpose of the breakfast all right -- your thoughts what cal said.
But to do it at the national prayer breakfast which is a place were supposed to be celebrating humility.
Harmony national unity it was totally out of place.
And I am afraid it was such an indictment of what's wrong with Washington is there's no safe space -- -- more for comedy there's no safe space.
For to be free of ideological.
Partisanship polarization all that stuff that turns the American people off.
Do you expect we will hear a similar outcry of voices.
Not based on Bernard just moral -- a moment ago which I would ask him the question name me those captains on the religious right who say we want -- -- women.
Back in the kitchen blacks at the back of the bus and gays you know what ever -- -- -- -- say behead them we have all these weird things being said by radicals.
You can't name -- Bernard so -- the false equivalents what we have here is a difference in the message being put put forth.
We have a church that's essentially the church of presidents we have a man that adds if you will.
Served other presidents in this capacity.
When he's playing to the audience and let's look at what he's -- to -- -- -- car.
Remember reverend Jeremiah Wright Al Sharpton can't say we're not doing this because Barack Obama -- the audience nobody's playing to that same message whether it's Barack Obama whatever.
It's the same anti anything not left this message.
Which is false and -- -- on net in Ontario I -- -- I'm -- -- do anything -- since it's an insult to the congregation.
It's an insult to a -- in which Christians are celebrating their.
A very holy day we're talking about unity it's not a partisan issue and that's for the reaction.
Megan don't hold your breath the baby will be born before you get an answer from the left on the hypocrisy I didn't.
Safety check it before you back in a violent as cute Bernard about that because is it spirited -- Tuesday evening about the white house on this I mean they -- in attendance.
I was asking the question not that -- -- conclusion about whether they need to respond they were asked about it or Jay Carney was at the white house press briefing today.
He said look I haven't talked to the president about -- the president was in attendance this guy's serves you know Democrats and Republicans.
But should he have come out said.
We were the presently surprised by that and clearly got -- it.
I mean this is not the president's spiritual -- it's certainly did church in a place for many presidents go I don't think it's the position of the president to dictate to.
The reverend what his sermon ought to be about frankly I think the message of equality and acceptance and tolerance and progress and this is exactly what the religious institutions in this country ought to how much -- and how hot tolerance and acceptance of the religious right.
Well I think that he's calling out what he perceives to be bigotry.
On the part of some members of the religious right and I think everybody is all -- hates blacks know that's not what I said and that's not actually he said but what but he talked about how they want blanket a message that you're not used to some in the religious right.
Of fostering an attitude.
Of looking backwards in glorifying the -- He got -- -- I speak to that allegation that that -- that the religious right according to this pastor wants blacks to go to the back of the -- I think to the extent that the religious right in the in those on the right support restriction of voting rights for example.
That is a big -- modern day equivalent of saying you know what.
You go to the back of the bus and it's.
Appel and I love you can't get a lot of rhetoric and many have already or whether it be unanswered namely those people who say those things would I would not the one name meet those -- you just -- on the religious right yes I do you look at I didn't I didn't get thrown out you throw out this false equivalency in these broad statements which is -- -- didn't.
Hypocrisy from the left and you should be ashamed of yourself that you can name these are the -- -- -- regulatory group you know I was like eight out.
I'm all -- ticket and everything on -- -- Are we at the point now where you as -- -- you I assume you are the religious right you are you are I certainly represent traditional Catholic -- -- and annually.
-- do you feel like you weren't out the point where you are fair game every Nolan can get punched around you know it's not okay to -- on any particular group.
Except for you now.
You can caricature Christian teaching and call it bigotry and that's.
Reasonable speech on the left these days.
This nonsense that we want good disadvantaged blacks.
When we say the homosexual activity is central to call that equivalent to denying them their basic rights now we're telling if you want to live a good life have to follow what Jesus said.
Basically this is an attack on our freedom to preach what we believe.
In a chip -- mean that -- I didn't break this end and what he's done for immigrant look if you believe in amnesty which is -- position of a lot of people on the left you can consider yourself virtuous but what about the people believe in legal immigration -- about the people waiting to get in.
We have lots -- captives who want to get into this country.
And -- waiting on line -- disadvantage them because people broke the law got in.
No but let's have a debate on -- let's not caricature and say those people are evil they believe in this we're the only virtuous ones -- Could this be this be controversial there were coming from a pundit you know just to dismiss the religious right as being anti black anti woman anti immigrant anti gay.
But this is coming from a pastor from -- reverend who heretofore had been pretty well respected and well trusted.
And it's coming at mass and Easter Sunday I think some.
The most powerful criticisms organization's come with it from within and I think frankly it's not about.
Trying to -- -- religious expression itself holding religious institutions.
And leaders accountable for what they say so if you feel that it's necessary to hold this in -- accountable -- by all means do so.
But he clearly has seen instances in his professional career.
Of those -- the religious right seeking to hold.
Act by byte where you can't simply -- -- -- for doctor -- to speak out at the national prayer breakfast as he did look the fact is that big national prayer breakfast is a political event in the idea that -- -- -- -- -- it is it is it's always been political you're OK with that then I would not have a problem that -- Get this is the problem with dealing with the left is they tried it -- dodge around -- -- -- -- -- yes or no question.
You can't provide an answer I did this this is an issue an America where we have talked about appropriate behavior.
This pastor spoke and other presidents.
And services if you will.
And -- did just didn't tell you say -- said in the past he said he's very careful for example at the inauguration of President Bush that the the younger.
Very careful preparing that prayer service and -- indication to not cross the line from pastor -- public policy visor.
Which is not my role he said and then he went on to say another time.
My intention is never schooled anyone during a sermon he understood back and that that that could be divisive David.
Go back to what I said in the beginning about playing to your audience -- This is the false narrative come in which is frankly an insult to the good father and anyone who has a faith whatever that faith may be in practices it.
Because it's about the power they want on the pulpit and pushing a message to look at that look at these -- that city these things.
They're actually anti Christian because the Christian doctrine if you will does not -- does not go yeah that's kind of I don't want.
One certain people within you know religious family and -- including that this pastor.
Coming to a different view -- -- word you want to use on issues like gay marriage that they didn't admit there is now bigotry.
On -- part against anyone else who feels differently.
Well they used to want to debate the merits of gay marriage now they simply want to assert that this is the only rational and Christian thing to do.
And historic christianity in the Catholic Church has absolutely not.
There's no such thing as gay marriage you can name something marriage it's not that.
But instead of debating me on that they -- -- say you're a big hit -- to a racist or equal to an anti feminist and all the -- -- -- on that's not the reality at all.
We love everyone including senators of all types but we don't tell us -- well you might have a legal recognition for your relationship go ahead and have it.
We don't do that but that the debate about the freedom to marry in this country is not a religious debate.
It's a civic today I think Fuzzy thank you 'cause when there is a civic and I got out and I -- -- -- just this great debate all of you thank you up next.
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