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-- Phil Donahue he was kind enough to be here when his.
Film body -- -- came out he's code director executive producer of the documentary.
Timely once again it features the dying Iraq War veteran Thomas young -- and Phil thank you very well aren't good to see you young man I thank thank you can't be young man.
It is set to read about Thomas young today ten years after -- -- said to.
Ten years -- that have taken place since the beginning of that war Manson and Thomas young about whom -- Did this wonderful documentary is now saying he's ready to die tell us about it Thomas young is for -- -- -- -- -- Thomas young at the time I met him at Walter reed Army Medical Center in.
January of 05.
Thomas young signed up when he saw the president on the pile you're gonna get the evildoers and he wanted to and he.
Shipped off to Fort Hood.
And he was in Iraq -- he thought he's -- -- Afghanistan but he's in the army now anonymous you can do he's in Iraq five days.
And the he's in the back of a topless truck.
The bullet came down a sniper on a roof energy is body at the shoulder area and exited -- four on his spying.
That's the area between the shoulder blades of Thomas was immediately paralyzed from the Nichols down.
I met him at Walter Reed and I just couldn't believe.
-- he was whacked out on morphing his mother explained his injury to me.
And I was just stunned I mean -- -- 24 year old he cannot walk he can't cough.
He can't he's impotent.
-- four year old male.
He has bowel -- -- every morning UT urinary tract infection nausea.
His pills have pills.
So I went to since and a -- Kansas City to meet him.
And I said Thomas I just think people should see this this is the most -- war in my lifetime.
The president said you can't take pictures of the coffins and the whole press corps said okay.
I said Thomas I believe if you send young people to war you should show the pain don't sanitize the war.
I want to show your situation up close and I can't do it without your permission he said I do too.
And I set out and a five year journey.
That has become for all of us who worked on our film.
A spiritual experience I mean we've never none of us had ever been that close.
To a catastrophic injury before can you imagine or could you have imagined what's happening now -- -- now basically saying goodbye to people deciding I just don't want to do this thing.
Following the -- making the finish of our film.
Thomas sustained a pulmonary embolism.
Thomas showed up at the emergency room at the VA hospital in Kansas City he had a swollen arm -- and hurt.
And they gave him pain pills and sent him home he was discovered in a coma the next morning.
The oxygen deprivation to the brain which is what happened.
Has left him with a very.
A big deficit in speech.
He has to struggle.
To him form his words.
And also -- he's almost a -- now he can't -- silverware.
You know they have to find a place in a restaurant that's in the corner so.
People won't stare at them and he he is married a young woman by the name of Claudia came into his life over five years ago.
And Ethier -- already -- -- and he was still he was in this condition.
And so she's sent from heaven.
They married a year ago.
And he we showed the film with the Richfield Connecticut play house.
He appeared with Claudia on the screen lives via Skype from Kansas City.
And it was at that venue that he announced.
That he intended to end -- life.
-- -- -- -- -- -- I talked to a much talked to today is -- -- You know I don't say goodbye you know I mean he can't.
I mean I just can't bring myself to do that.
And I intend to visit him you know you keep saying.
By the way I thought this crowd the audience at the -- -- play house with.
You know kind of stand up and say oh Thomas god loves you don't do this.
But he had just had a colonoscopy and eight years but the last.
To me that's -- the bag on the side of the he he said now through two.
He had terrible abdominal.
He still has that his pills have pills.
He has pressure -- you can see his bones.
It is beyond awful when you get close to this young man.
And they all seem to understand his decision nobody nobody.
Trying to push back or save his soul what's frustrating -- when he since they don't consider to suicide is more like an end to suffering.
He doesn't think of it as a -- that's absolutely -- ratios.
And he's going to die very shortly anyway he I think this is is thinking.
And he you know and he he he has explained to me people who love him say.
-- Thomas I wouldn't you know I I wish you wouldn't.
And he wants to gently say to them.
This is what you wish.
But I'm asking you to respect to and I wish.
You wonder how many other Thomas young's there are this result of this war this is what -- this is why did the movie.
What we see playing out in our movie.
Is a drama that's happening behind closed doors have thousands of homes in this country.
Young men and women.
Had were injured in this war.
I mean we've got women who've had their faces blown.
We've seen all the -- paraplegic -- prosthesis.
Stories by the way Thomas.
His jealous of the people with press thesis he wishes he had you know like the blade runner he can't walk he can't.
Go across the bedroom to get his cigarettes.
This is beyond awful.
When we talk about the cost of war.
We can never calculate that kind of suffer it's always the body count and you know the list -- that every week but -- how do you account for that -- -- how do you get that across which of course you did in your film to the American public.
You know I think Thomas is like Jessica in the well member of the little girl trapped in Texas.
The whole nation if not the world galvanize.
And these -- down there trying to save this little girl's life.
But in -- four million refugees.
In Iraq we have certainly over by the way we're not sure how many Iraqis are dead.
We know right down to the last man which we should there -- civilian casualties we don't know how that's right how many civilians died.
You know it's just somehow.
You know the president just successfully concealed.
The pain of the -- And what that means is it's going to be easier to have another.
And we're still in Afghanistan although -- supposedly getting -- and when he fourteen and my big disappointment is that I voted.
For the anti war president Barack Obama who took too long to get -- that -- rock and -- in the -- there was a surge in Afghanistan.
Under under his watch but -- -- beacon for me Allan.
We've kill children with our drones.
And we know it.
And this is happening on Obama's watch and we have a president who says -- his -- chief executive should be able to or appoint someone who will.
Decide who gets killed played -- attack and not if -- an American citizen and not tell you.
And I do it secretly and that's a who's making the decision you know nevermind not telling you who's doing.
So the people who call the wars and other people who would never -- think of sending their own kids to fight it.
And the people who run around bragging democracy democracy.
Are the people who are turning their back and the dismantling of the bill of rights we have people look -- -- in our windows listening tour.
Phone calls we have people in cages.
Around the world no phone calls no red planet we still doing renderings to black prisons we may not even known as absolutely so.
And you know killing and you know we're gonna have we're gonna have an array.
Talk about orwellian.
We're going to be able to fire assay.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Offer satellite.
And killed a guy in the passenger seat on the tire rolling along the Audubon and Germany.
Not the driver of the passengers.
I mean where are we doing here we are a warrior nation.
Heidi USA and I'm happy use the word liberal analysis of people like that -- to -- progressive.
I -- the word liberal liberty you know the same route liberal by the way elements of the political idea that there and that's because I know exactly how do you then say well I've been voting for Obama -- but look then than the far left will say.
Well look at all the horrible things he's doing well where you I'm saying that yeah -- -- -- on Monday and on the far I don't either I don't mind criticizing my president I mean.
Thousands and thousands if not millions of young men and women have gone to foreign battlefields.
To die to protect my way of life at the center of which is free speech we can you still support Democrats.
When that's going on undemocratic watches I mean if we don't where we going -- my concern is what choice -- It's -- -- -- you expand the field to get a better and by the way it's our fault that we have only one choice.
I think I campaign for Nader.
Again in and people are still angry and embittered that had he not been there they believe Al Gore would be president I mean my wife was really -- me if I if I supported him in 04.
-- -- Well and know I'm -- you're gonna do it again you're gonna do it again.
You know it's really -- mark.
Half of -- vote you know.
The ones who brag about democracy the most are the ones that can't name their congress person.
And who -- and who don't vote.
Little low information voter who.
There's a low information voter who gets their information for maybe one source.
Never double checks it.
Believes we have some one media were -- media figures and decides this is a land -- -- -- yes it is and by the way.
Hats off to the Tea Party and the conservatives they get out in the primaries don't think.
And their organized.
And it's you know like a firewall she was an occupy what she never seemed to have it as clear that a message as the Tea Party -- that's right and it had a -- -- time catching.
To the to the attention of the of the mainstream media by the way -- I wanna get this and Alan.
And I admire so much your show him and and -- that you open the doors so many voices otherwise and I.
I mean in the land of the free press the land that.
Guarantees us cacophony of voices arguing that the -- -- -- -- in fact we're we're supposed to get somewhere in the middle of this -- crowd.
In the middle of this large crowd now.
Are five companies much more concerned about the price for their stock than they are about is sticking their nose under the tent and -- you know what that.
Great -- us have for a well -- them back in a moment with the U.
Very feel that he was I guess really 774 Allen 87736725.
26 you don't mind being called legendary I mean I didn't.
Well how I try to tell my wife that that's -- -- wife is legendary to.
Who can't tell you censorship -- that Carol -- time I agree with if you had a show on MSNBC talking about the war.
Usually does that it did the inception of the of the things -- -- Vietnam Iraq -- -- we don't really learn from history.
The Vietnam War I mean there are so many parallels.
But there he wore on a network -- now has pretty much -- left in fact -- you there now you would be it would seem like you would fit right in it was all a matter of timing wasn't.
Well you know I think so.
You know I'm I'm made it my business not to run around saying they fired me either fired me.
Because we had so many young Americans coming home in pine boxes now.
And at a time when this is happening than the last thing I want to look like as a Weiner.
It is instructive I think without the -- -- the facts I mean the -- it is certainly true.
I was not good for business.
In fact there's a real -- was a real fear on the part of the suits at MSNBC.
You have to remember this is August of 2002.
And you know there was a hot -- drumbeat for war not not in every American home run and enough.
And you had bush.
Brilliantly the politics of fear Saddam is this Saddam is that he's got.
And -- and congress taking the White House talking points as you'll see in my film and reading them breathing them.
In the shall not smoking gun will become a mushroom cloud that was -- Condi Rice it.
And I think that was that was authored by Michael Gerson is right just be truly is and he's now an op -- Columnist for the Washington Post.
I was not welcome.
And they were scared and that's when I choose the word this frightened.
They I had to have to liberals to conservatives for every liberal.
I could they would really have a quota system absolutely I mean I was considered to liberals -- You're considered him a little posts you -- do feel Donna you know some guy off the street Paul and he lived you have.
Came out of that brought you to come -- of broadcasters believe -- -- -- that may do little more nerve -- for them they would have been able to dismiss somebody.
Who didn't quite have I was on the air for 29 years so I did have.
We could have Richard -- alone.
But we couldn't have Dennis consideration look.
They they wanted to know.
They want to know -- We were the pressure to put and entertainment figures.
They were just scared to death -- they know what they were getting when they hired -- You know I've -- asked that before.
I guess not they certainly knew they were getting a guy with a recognition factor.
But he did you are not doing the field on the -- show that it takes a new -- ten years in syndication but they didn't expect the passion of my own stance against.
Bush against Rumsfeld and remember this is this is a company owned by General Electric.
And this is what you get with -- with.
We gonna say mainstream media but that's true too bright but he said corporate media -- and look -- query is when he says that.
They don't know we hear so it's do -- okay well it's critical energy no money in the eighteenth lawyers settlement but it's important to know this.
Corporate media does not want to rock the -- Because corporate media is the boat.
Why is it okay now on MSNBC to see the things you were saying ten years ago looses interest and I think this is a ratings decision.
They tried very hard to outfox fox when I was there.
They hired Michael Savage to replace many.
And as the years went by and the horror of this.
Massive blunder called Iraq War.
Became more and more apparent.
They decided to go the other way and as I don't have to tell handgun.
Let's be grateful.
That they did.
I think I'm watch MSNBC I very much admire Gerald indicated by what's happened in terms of the public consciousness.
Well of course I do but I don't you know I think I really I don't want to gloat and they haven't I haven't.
But it is amazing to me.
How they got in line and swooned.
When bush landed on the aircraft carrier.
I mean here is mission accomplished this is the most vulgar stunt in the history of government.
This guy gets out of a plane which he did not land did not -- it was a time -- with them with the flight suit -- -- A helmet and and may went nuts people like a guy for president some of the commentary.
People people were all neo cons now the basis -- and everybody I mean from MSNBC.
To what do what do tableau this is women and men commentator on the -- -- -- it's on the web you can just look up a mission accomplished or whatever it is and read the transcripts.
Major hostilities have ended differently but but this morning for for bush nobody saw the phony in us and and how this was written it's almost like a drama that somebody in the White House was paid to come up with ideas like.
That is -- party you that says I mean you've you've got used so much passion for the things you believe that.
This this is -- party this is I want that platform.
To do this to talk about this to have that audience to to impart this with the shared this with.
Well you know I was on the air for 29 years we -- over 5000 shows.
And then you know a little voices Saddam -- -- heard you speak.
And you know I also I did come back.
I saw what was happening I saw O -- abuse.
Liberal voices on -- program.
I saw him say shut up.
To Jeremy Glick who lost relatives in the tower shot up.
And I couldn't believe what I was -- And I thought I wanna get in -- -- I want to.
Made a mistake he -- that they won't regret now.
And they hired me.
Have you judgment on back into their I don't know I don't know I remember who cut it's not likely that take me would you want to go somewhere we you can do that again.
I don't know if I want to do it every day.
I did it every day.
I I'll tell you what -- I am I feel very fulfilled -- I speak to peace groups.
The movie is playing.
Lots of places the movie by the way -- no popcorn.
Body of war is not a take your girl in the movie movie.
But it's being played by peace groups around the country we're gonna play Malibu.
In a couple next week.
We're playing Great Neck arts festival this Sunday 330.
Great -- art festival on Long Island.
And who we played the you know the fighting Bob fest we're gonna play the Nixon -- We're gonna play the bush library opening and there are several protests being scheduled in Dallas.
This is in a couple of weeks and -- -- war will open.
I don't wanna say festivities you know bush program on just I don't know -- and by the way we have been invited benefited from the library.
But that's a big deal and Thomas will appear via Skype from his home in Kansas City for that event.
When it back with -- -- of a few more moments body of war as about which he is speaking which features the sadly dying in Iraq War veteran Thomas young.
-- -- -- -- -- war featuring Thomas young the Iraq War veteran shot five days into his.
Time in Iraq -- the same day.
Wasn't that Cindy Sheehan -- It's pretty awesome plane that's unbelievable until -- -- was co director executive producer of this documentary.
And they'll be they'll be at an event 45 bleaker street this Thursday at 6 PM.
At the NYC LU.
New York Civil Liberties Union and this Sunday if you're in the near the area in the middle of the road in Great Neck -- the Great -- arts center.
Where it -- -- -- 330 in the afternoon on Sunday -- traveling around.
Talking to groups about this talking about and and more receptivity now it's time goes on as we see.
The whole idea this war it's a very handsome nice experience your first close nice to be surrounded by people who agree with you just I wouldn't know -- that's like -- -- the -- And they're nice people you know.
And I met a lot of them I've had the pleasure of speaking -- many of these gatherings.
Along the way I've spoken to.
Not a few empty seats.
You know we have to know we're not alone Allen.
And I think we have more Americans -- agreeing with us then we may realize when you did your show for 29 years as -- -- you were not that political jail where I mean I know a lot but nobody I I always said it's hired him walk down a senator every issue never revealing answers you watch -- -- over time.
You're gonna know.
-- never hear -- my own political yeah but it's true.
I've never ways -- -- wave my arms as much politically as I did on MSNBC I just couldn't believe.
What was happening to my country we're a different time now to where it's harder not to speak -- I would think what informs you politically in terms of what.
Had you develop your political point well I grew up you know in the Eisenhower.
I -- I -- I came of age.
I graduated from Notre Dame in 1957 so -- -- an idea.
And I came out into the world believing that America was right in all things we were generous lend lease we won the war we defeated Hitler.
And the Asian -- when he defeated Japanese.
And we were good in all things and I looked up to discover that.
We were really we were prepared for a world that never materialized.
And nobody told -- -- -- some really -- president.
I remember I had professor on from Ohio State and he said no none of the faculty thinks this war -- hit the Vietnam War.
His his moral and I thought what my country is in a war that.
And then suddenly we essentially lost the war I couldn't believe -- and then my -- the scales fell off my eyes I realized the importance of dissent.
My parents used to say if they didn't know what they were doing there -- -- in Washington.
And I realize that that you just can't do that they're not that Smart and not only that many of them will be consumed by the power.
And their they'd rather win a war that's been -- one was -- Thomas Jefferson Howard's intercity dissent as the highest form of patriotism -- attributed to each of those.
I have two and I'm not sure myself by -- -- -- -- best.
-- -- dollar by the way you never say anything you can't support.
I admire you so much.
From you this I mean not only -- brave and out there.
I don't know patronizing and got a long way without my goodwill and I know that means a lot to me but I work and conditioned -- I'm not fighting fires I'm not putting my life on the isn't that true and neither are the guys who are calling me using ours there and -- -- -- -- To war and I'm not defending the country I'm simply speaking out and they're very comfortable rooms so like I -- -- -- -- very nice but.
You know -- people much braver than someone got out of his mouth -- I couldn't really more work truck and they're doing.
Do you support Obama advantage and I I presume because it is that little is -- to the evil to listeners but.
I mean he's not a lesser by any means.
Do you have trouble those supporting a Democratic Party or by default because it's really answer as we have I have similarly do and that's what do we do going forward had a we.
Had we find more filled on -- go to.
We can't do it if we don't have a substantial.
To support our views.
And we'll never get there unless we somehow.
Have an electorate that is willing to elect people who will reach out rather than lash out.
We're now you know we have.
We have -- common understanding among the book pundit accuracy that we don't they wanted to talk to common dementia growth we don't -- -- -- -- North Korea and if you say you wanted to electorate of intelligence agencies.
We have it's more than 700 military installations around the world this is madness we are playing the geopolitics of World War II.
And Dennis Kucinich talks about this.
That we are spending millions and millions a year on army bases.
Based on something and -- exists.
We are building aircraft carriers and submarines.
And nineteen guys with box cutters brought us to our knees.
-- right we're fighting the last war and by the way a lot of proud.
Raise their kids church going Americans built that last summer rain in Groton Connecticut.
Now what we do with them when the last submarine.
Splashes in the water which we -- same with -- aircraft carrier.
We are where it's what it's a heroine.
It's a heroin and you know you can't spend this much on military equipment and not use it.
If you guilty of president.
A cruise missile he will fire.
When you -- the word church you know churchgoing patriotic Americans I was thinking that.
As a liberal.
Sometimes you know you get characterize you -- hate god.
-- -- -- -- They're no -- any use of physical illegal immigrants undocumented.
Immigrant that is what the Associated Press today announced and the and the and the right wing -- say political correctness.
And -- They'll just make a face at this they think it's stupid but.
This uphill battle one has to fight to the greater society that because you're liberal you're not anti -- you know and if you -- so -- Where the or any of these -- not but but this this this cartoon character that they -- make have you if you say I'm a liberal American -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We -- does and not only that they.
You know their -- to god bless this god blessed that god bless my dog god bless my cat.
You know you -- say oh sit out there's tripping over their robes to god bless everything.
This is false piety for short term political gain this is worse than kissing a baby.
You know and they can't wait.
It's in they can't wait to tell you how holy that they are.
It it is unfair to -- And I admire the people whose faith comes from within them whatever it may -- no word on their sleeves and we we can't you know we can elect someone -- really to Muslims and congress and that -- -- people crazy.
But garlic one atheist Pete stargazing was the only New Zealand we imagine we can elect anybody doesn't say they believe in god this is hit it.
Every member of congress in order don't.
Take a seat in congress you have to say how much you believe in god and -- right peace but Pete Stark is the only exception we may have more now I'm not sure.
Pete Stark stands up in the middle of my -- -- war.
In in the floor of the house.
I am and that was in the middle of the debate on the Iraq resolution.
And which passed overwhelmingly.
Senators voted no.
He stands up and he -- you're giving and inexperienced.
Young man in the White House.
The exit Q -- lever to kill thousands of Americans.
This president wants blood that's why we're doing this some of you did that and you can good.
-- on -- -- mall and look at the names on the wall I almost dropped when I saw that in the middle of this.
But the smoking gun he has weapons of mass destruction the longer we wait the more dangerous he becomes John John McCain said that.
-- just one more.
From Alaska senator Stevens.
Stands up in the middle of this debate this is in our film and he said history will show.
That this nations that stopped Saddam Hussein save the world.
This is the hysteria.
To which you can.
The level you can -- a grown man and -- -- senate they know divvy Indies they had no ability.
To do anything seem to get any missile outside of their own -- there is no.
There is I'm sorry to borrow a lot of your -- after us but they will know that it's important to say again.
Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction Saddam had nothing to do with the towers.
Saddam was never a threat to this nation -- the and we have almost 5000 Americans who will -- Who will never go to -- tailgate party who will never have a radio show.
Then we will never enjoy their children graduate -- is more awful -- wars a documentary film Donnie thank you very much of the -- thank you.
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