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Yeah I mean today and here we are having this huge debate over immigration reform and path to citizenship and guest workers and everything and -- the fundamentals.
Of border security are still out in place.
I think that's kind of a shock to the system I don't think I think people sort of assume that that's that's part of the package.
And if you can't trust the system to produce good information you certainly can't trust and it actually enforce the border and I think it kind of makes the whole thing to kind of a joke.
Now Julie do you think the administration is in the wrong -- -- we're hearing from secretary Janet Napolitano who is.
Really boosting confidence -- folks at home everything is secure and that there is that this this mass exodus really doesn't exist.
Well I don't know what it's herb or would look like -- mean is that a 100%.
No infiltration because even you have you know the Israelis built a fat wallet -- -- -- -- -- both offense and even very -- -- once and a while that's much smaller.
Area obviously than the Mexico US border.
Look I -- administration -- that it doubled the number of border security.
Since 2004 started under George Bush continued -- Barack Obama.
It's out -- there's more deportations under this president in previous presidents.
I don't know from a purely intellectual standpoint what.
A secure border looks like what the metrics are -- when they hear people.
Like Rand Paul for example say that they would support path to citizenship but only after we have border security I really would love to know what I'm not -- -- got -- What is secure border would look like somebody like -- Rand Paul is it absolutely nobody.
Ever crossing the border illegally because that's some practical is it 1% as of 10% as it 50%.
I don't know the answer to that and I think until we find out what is secure border looks like in the minds of a lot of these opinion makers.
I you know.
Where we go from here obviously the president -- certain set of statistics.
His opponents had a different set of statistics but it really worth the common ground until we figure out exactly what -- reporter looks like to both those ads both sides.
A BBC you don't you don't notice secure border looks like but.
What steps do you think the administration you know and lawmakers really need to work toward I mean we can't necessarily get -- secure border and immediately.
But what would you suggest and then I'd like to -- -- it went well I think again you know they're they're doing.
And then -- to give credit to President Bush before this president was president says that they continue with the art and putting more more boots on the grounds quote.
To secure that border they are trying to do what they can't to support the people.
That they do catch and send them back in this president has sent more back.
Do we triple of those very doubled in the last decade to be triple the number of border security -- by Drupal in that case let's look at the sequester elaborate cutting.
The number of border security guards and and other -- -- proposals along those lines I mean where the budget priorities to secure this border.
So we Elvis and take money out -- other priorities to fund the security of the border.
This is a much larger issue to me than just saying well we know -- -- and Chuck Schumer on the border and they saw somebody seeking across offends me.
-- -- I got all of a sudden calamity striking is that it's a good anecdote and it's a good illustration of the problems on the border but again I do think that the steps are being taken.
Some people think more steps need to be taken -- more people think we we probably are doing too much already.
So I think -- dialogue we need to continue having I don't know that either side has set up a metric for what they believe their answer is yet.
Well Tim I mean what do you think hitting delete delete you mentioned it where we heard -- reference the fact that we did have senators on the border and there were people actively -- woman trying to get across that you know it seems like.
But we do need is is more security but that also means more money in and from a conservative standpoint where's that gonna come.
I think conservatives believe in order and they than they would if they would sacrifice a lot of other spending programs to achieve -- order and and law and -- I mean.
Look -- the fear is that we're gonna have.
Campuses ship which is sort of another name for amnesty.
And then we're gonna have the same problem all over again we don't have a border control -- and in 1986 President Reagan signed -- and -- -- effectively three million people back you know a quarter century ago and since then another 101040 million nobody really knows.
Have come in now if you -- receive them.
And you don't have a secure border there's another tough population of 500 million people or so and in central and Latin America 500 million.
What percentage of them wanna come that's another -- questioned me about -- daughter I want to secure border looks predecessor Carlos but I think Israel Israelis have a secure border do you wanna Philip.
And I am sure absolutely perfect and I I think got -- I think the American public would agree with that I think they -- -- -- spending money it took to have a secure border.
Other countries do you know we could.
And it is hard to imagine.
Paying welfare program and any voting program.
That doesn't involve knowing who lives in this country and whether they're here illegally -- -- Tim -- in -- generally talk about the whole hour but I do want to get to one of our viewers just chatting online and you viewers -- at home to.
From day you know that -- -- -- TX it says she -- her here she's living in Texas I think there's no truth that fewer illegals are coming across the border.
The admin reporting this doesn't surprise me in this is their narrative and it will be hard for the average Joseph to prove them wrong and wanna get your reaction Julian and -- and it didn't.
I certainly don't live in Texas I don't see the spurs canceled -- the viewer accurate she obviously knows a lot more about this issue for -- percent perspective that I could again and Jim just -- you know Jim just came up with a potential solution is not one that necessarily subscribe to but.
At least you have a metric according to -- as to what -- secure border looks like I'd like to hear more proposals like that from people along.
The Texas border at Arizona border and our leaders and Washington's -- -- what is reporter it means that isn't back spending.
The billions I think dollars that it would take to build a secure fence.
Is it something else -- it tripling quadrupling.
What whatever that number is a border security guards.
Is it what the minutemen -- which is basically vigilantes plot along along the border what is it and what that we can discuss it other than just throwing around.
Metrics like secure borders and secure not borders because -- I don't know what the answer is right now -- there's a proposal.
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