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Live now via Skype is Richard -- is professor of British history from Bard College he's also the author of Reagan and Thatcher the difficult relationship end.
It's great to have you on today.
It's -- -- because the conventional wisdom for many folks is that Reagan and Thatcher were.
-- the hit if you will in terms of ideological soul mates you have a bit of a different take on things will tell us about that.
Well I think the first thing to say is that in many ways they -- ideological soul soul mates -- -- -- I think both believed in them with the leaders in the conservative revelation.
But at the same time that doesn't mean that they didn't disagree profoundly.
Aren't winning sometimes came to be pretty bad the interest of America or Great -- -- that's what you would expect of any leader but they they they disagree profoundly over the Soviet gas pipeline.
They -- -- -- the phone clintons -- the invasion of Grenada.
I evil I could have profound questionable too -- nuclear weapons and how to deal with the emergence in the article which are outside.
You know that there was an incredible.
Ideological closeness and in many ways of personal closeness.
But that doesn't mean on occasions Margaret Thatcher wasn't prepared to terrorist acts of the strip off the president of the United States.
In your book I'm interested to know if you remember some of the perhaps fiercest battles between the two of them -- it I guess it's not surprising when you consider.
Two huge personalities to giants on the world stage.
Butting heads I guess is not a surprise but -- what are some of your.
Biggest recollections -- -- Well -- eight you're right these -- -- Titanic figures to stream -- significant because it the first rights.
And you're right that he -- rounds and sometimes -- that was spectacular efforts are important opened Ireland's.
When President Reagan came on the linemen and it's Margaret conscience and -- -- Conciliation with the Arabic Argentina once that passports have been sense.
I am it's -- Lead late in its stuff that -- national -- cheaper.
Besides there also was.
I'd say that that the president -- don't be like yeah.
-- that is more completed even in the seat.
While it pure practice and it doesn't get much would the Big Apple.
I -- we've been -- I immediately thought they would -- Unafraid to speak to each other in ways that was very direct sometimes Cushing the boundaries of their friendship.
But nevertheless in spite of that they still practice on Q looks who clintons and -- that -- by the end of the attack -- I -- the -- who have incomes and ends.
Your thoughts on this day is at the end of an era.
Now that obviously president Reagan's been gone for for quite some time but.
Now lady Thatcher.
Is it the end have been here a changing of the guard if you will and in -- she hasn't been an office recently but.
Look how how do you rank this past.
He's pretty weak east they didn't -- he's the -- of Rasheed street -- this -- there's absolutely no question about that bond in British politics and maybe even on the world stage we still leading the age of Margaret Thatcher for example Britain I am off to that the next general election will probably have a referendum.
About whether he should stay in European Union.
There is absolutely no -- in that festival that he's.
Hope to play tomorrow Britain's future in Europe that was dominated by Margaret Thatcher and even when they pass that referendum I can obsolete currency.
The Margaret Thatcher's name will still be she used to be qualitative arguments -- -- be used in that referendum so even though she -- hostile others -- -- -- question and legacy.
You still with us today and I would suggest for a long time teacher.
As we look at the troubles in the European Union to some of her wisdom look perhaps even more profound than initially thought.
Well -- I think is no question Margaret -- analysis securities looking more and more -- -- as time goes along that you know she didn't believe in this kind of huge scene the stage she always believed that every country.
In this case Britain.
How to maintain flexibility to act according to -- index contrasts well some countries put -- to one sites when they join Europe.
We've seen some of the disastrous results which come from outside yes I think Margaret -- -- -- -- Europe even though it was a very.
In many ways a very robust one.
-- net for the next one which -- -- recognize what's good Flores we'll start thinking balance more closely certainly Britain.
-- the next few years it's going to be thinking that that very very content -- As professor of British history have you given some thought to perhaps perhaps how the world might be different if it were not for.
Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher teaming up.
To fight the Cold -- order to end the Cold War.
Well I hit I think I mean I remember when I was a child to that in the 1990s nobody imagined that the Cold War -- comes it comes to an end in the way that -- that -- the story of -- can at the end of his first year he's foreign policy Barnes is trains in and said hey you know now we can step up our our strategy to the Cold War.
And Reagan said.
I I'm gonna stressed -- -- we win they ladies now all of the time he suffices thought this was crazy but nevertheless it's true that.
President -- can.
I would all the economic difficulties that she was -- I didn't that was that that was the transformative moment in -- we'll say there there is absolutely no question that.
Her legacy along with president right and England at present to -- green the cold war two and -- was absolutely Titanic.
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