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Can't keep going through this endless cycle of rewarding their misbehavior so we need in -- conference agreement here.
And I think we should do that sooner rather than later because they can make big -- to do well.
The importance of this meeting today I should say to the world.
-- Japan the United States stands shoulder to shoulder on the issue of North Korea's nuclear weaponry.
North Korea also has -- track record of proliferation.
-- Makes it.
Unacceptable for them to.
The accepted as a nuclear power.
We've applied the strongest sanctions ever on Iran and North Korea nations that cannot be allowed to throw in the world -- nuclear weapons.
A past presidents over the last two decades taking what sounds like tough stand against North Korea and their nuclear ambitions.
But the threat is seems to keep on growing and with spears also increasing -- yet another nuclear test by this nuclear nation.
And pumped up rhetoric one of the questions were confronting -- what does the US need to do now Mike Baker -- a former CIA CIA Covert operations officer.
He's the president and diligence LLC a global intelligence.
And security firms so Mike it's not -- -- and it doesn't come down to one administration -- -- or the other really.
Why can't we solve this North Korea problem.
-- had an answer because then.
I suspect I might be president I'll but I think we go all the way back further than that Bill Clinton and in the those clips and by the -- that -- package was very good very concisely.
Put the fact that we've been dealing with this for decades.
Go further back -- that go back -- Ronald Reagan we've been dealing with these same issues with North Korea part of the problem is now.
It's more -- is more serious mean people are saying look we do have this pattern of behavior.
Whether it's -- -- song.
Or or Kim Jong -- father before him.
It doesn't matter you know -- -- -- Teddy out of the cot and we find a way to placate them just to keep them in a box so we don't have a confrontation with a problem is all those years we've been doing that.
They've been busy working on their new -- and ballistic.
Launch capabilities now they're well far down the road they're feeling certainly emboldened and there's other issues involved here too once again they're upset about joint US South Korean military exercises -- -- upset about the sanctions.
Those are fairly traditional reasons why they get.
Into a tantrum -- But we really have almost no options left there's really very little in the sanctions world that we can do at this point.
And unless we somehow figure out a way to get China.
Right in line with us.
And rather than acting in China's own self interest it's not gonna happen we're not going to get to that -- what we can actually deal with the new polarization program in North Korea.
Because there seems to be according to what you say no good options really laughed when it comes to diplomacy where they have sanctions may be China -- leaking -- -- other players involved.
But do you feel base and your experience that some sort of conflict is coming.
Well and I think I think we we have to assume it may be getting and that's the other the probably got is.
-- is that we don't have.
Approaching decent intelligence on either Kim -- on the new leader the grandson of the founder Kim -- song.
More importantly his relationship with the senior North Korean military leadership are human intelligence is is is lacking is -- that another -- -- put it.
And without that without a clear understanding of what that relationship is between -- to get it'd be between that the leader and the North Korean military leadership.
We are making are trying to make strategic decisions.
You know without -- much understanding as to where this is going we also really don't understand China's game at this point.
-- in in all of this -- -- again they're the only ones who can exert sufficient leverage to really deal with this problem.
Some might be surprised to hear that our intelligence is very good Mike when it comes a place at North Korea.
I so many of us have been impressed by what the CIA is capable of doing and I know you had a long career in the CIA as well so.
It is there any opportunity to increase improve our intelligence had illegal about the next several -- -- You better understand the moves in North Korea so -- weekend.
Understand how we should react.
Right well it's.
It's a great question but that the if the answer is unsatisfying.
Developing good intelligence developing.
You know it accurate and credible sources of intelligence human sources that takes a long time it takes a lot of work and so it's not something you can say oh we're lacking here so now you know week because we've got this tension building we've got to do something quickly in that regard.
We've got other forms of intelligence there's no doubt about that it's just what I mean is that we don't have those sorts of sitting inside of meetings in Pyongyang who then can report to wants to say well this is how we looked when he talked about this is so he was thinking.
When he said this.
And and that's what we're lacking and and we're not gonna make that up in the in the course of a couple of weeks what we're trying to deal with us and -- price.
In the meantime is that -- being reacted to the news that we might get how might we be pro active.
And making sure that we continue to send a strong message about what we want from the -- region and what.
Lines not to crops.
Right well I think part of problem is what you just said you'll continue to send a strong message I don't believe that we have been I think that are part of our problem.
-- been you know it is is that -- some of the partisan no doubt.
But I think that we haven't been sending consistent messages whether it's -- north career elsewhere it's been inconsistent now we've got a new foreign policy and Defense Department leadership.
It Kim Jong -- this it in this league that leadership is thinking maybe they can test this.
The problems right now we need we need absolute consistent strong.
And you know if it in and and you we need and a nation.
The US that's willing to take the lead.
In situations like this I have I'm worried that sometimes his administration's current administration here in the US isn't comfortable with the idea that the US should be at the top of the of the heap.
In terms of doing that and frankly if if the administration isn't willing to do that I think the -- get out a way and let's have someone -- who can.
But we're dealing with a with a tantrum and anybody with children out there is watching understands you've got really three options what do you do you to hug it out and give more love.
You know you ignore it -- you punish them or threaten them.
I think at this point we can't ignore them because of the new -- concerns.
You know we can't hug -- -- love them because -- that's not gonna go anywhere I think we have to look and be more threatening more punishing.
And to that degree the messaging has to be consistent.
That gives -- a good jumping off point for our next statement I can do -- look for an avenue.
As we continue to attack of some of these foreign policies issues that thank you so much for the time today as always sure.
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