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Good morning welcome back to the political insiders and probably a Hewlett-Packard bell.
Our esteemed colleague doctor doctor -- -- walling about the beaches of south beach Florida this weekend.
He did make an appearance yesterday pat but -- today we're gonna carry the load.
For half an hour of discussion beginning -- at the sad news out of London today that.
Lady Margaret Thatcher the former British prime minister has died today at age 87 from -- she had a series of strokes over the past few years.
Certainly a difference maker rose to power of pat while you were in the White House the President Carter.
What do you recall when you first heard of Margaret Thatcher becoming the first woman prime minister of Great Britain.
Thought it was unbelievable are probably becoming a nation -- -- basically.
Seemed to be just in perpetual -- bulwark through the -- Just basically a state you know -- status whatever.
Going on I mean just you didn't think you mean -- -- longer so world.
And suddenly she made it much more relevant change I mean this woman was whether you like which she was doing or not she really.
Prove the idea of conviction politics.
The -- you don't -- you know was.
All witnesses considered you know one man who Lincoln's there and -- -- the truth -- one man and an idea.
You're believed to make a majority.
Google by force -- will she did of course she forge that relationship with -- Reagan which was.
Very powerful she was the Iron Lady and so -- put -- him McCain the couple things but.
You were tired and under bush had nothing really you know and -- -- bush was so don't go wobbly on regional and -- invasion of -- that's -- don't go -- -- And so I -- she basically.
Shi -- for not up and also for her country.
Her reaction the Falklands where the first instinct I think could be English.
People are are a lot of the crucial week.
Was to -- to Powell we can't we've whatever and and of course because of the cutbacks in Britain's defense over the years.
They've barely -- the -- fortunately the Argentinian student when they -- another you're so that would happen any materials.
Do what they needed remember the United States -- Jeane Kirkpatrick which I would never forgive her for.
Or -- could not supporting.
Britain from the outset because they were in bed with Jeane Kirkpatrick and all of these neo -- in bed with every right wing dictator in Latin America that they -- get into -- with.
One of the lowest point I think distinguishing between authoritarian.
And -- and dictatorship you or if there's any different -- is there any difference and -- -- was a low moment of the entire that's why I've never having used for about -- or the neo cons.
Because they supported the butchery of bad guys -- it including she was down dancing with the Argentinian having a party for.
Win this is now we're gonna -- Deval Patrick for a while Maggie Thatcher is staying up to -- issue of principle.
And whether or not aggression world road rules the world but -- single handedly against great odds in poll at all.
-- it would -- it's actually.
But really liberal and let's go back to the big picture.
Before the Falklands -- about she comes to power is it if it sends something new youth back -- have said every time we do show.
You go back to 79 in England it's in -- state of decline issues.
Her election or selection of prime minister was.
A political revolution right.
Well she herself had said just recently for a that would -- never answered no -- -- -- -- -- -- their identity conservative man who ran the Conservative Party.
Would pick a woman.
And it happened because she was smarter than they were more disciplined and they were knew more about the issues of the economy and was stronger in her conviction as you said.
She takes over a country in decline.
Waterline used to wants on the shelf for years ago I didn't get elected to preside over country going downtrend -- -- trying to.
She within two years takes on the entire establishment the unions the government -- unions -- government owned enterprises I mean.
The political establishment goes after all that and turns the whole.
And I direction of her country right.
We have not -- That type of conviction politics.
You know what we had it -- Reagan.
You know but since Reagan we have not had it on -- a -- for the right we -- that we have no we personal advancement.
I don't know that -- Morality politics and we have the politics of all of essentially of -- lot of of of what I call to -- -- theater.
Right -- yard PR we have does have control of PR you know or is the Singapore -- you.
Kourtney on you you have -- interview would.
They -- in this try to answer your PR peoples who have salad people who Spin Doctors we have the highest paid busily -- -- presentation not.
-- really don't know reality -- policy so we have suffered greatly in this country.
As an apology from bullets and this is where I say is a person and it's up to do with political consultant.
And in the formation of -- I think it's been a disaster in nine states and the world we choose to put the appearance over the substance in the reality.
On an Obama.
It was post today you.
Never said he would but -- we were told he was he was out of the box like Margaret Thatcher was out of the only ship could give but he -- and out of literally.
-- didn't know he wants in this sense -- convictions are what she was a leader -- Who's willing to get things -- you could crack heads I mean running up against her apparently was nominate the nice thing for your career you're.
Conservative politician in the -- But you know Obama is anything but use the use it.
You know this all sought -- us.
He has no leadership skills and he doesn't lead -- -- -- -- good -- in doubt but just look I can't handle it.
But but to -- it -- but it affects all of our politics and I think they will see is I think the contract you -- this morning.
But this -- -- this puts Hillary Clinton.
Newser let's look at what's I I have -- pat and -- and our producer before the show we can talk over it today with you on we'd like your comments.
And your tweets.
To compare Margaret Thatcher on the day she died with Hillary Clinton who is.
In the ascendancy in the democratic party for the nomination for president 26 change so much so that.
-- -- don't run against her if she really does run.
With her husband raising two billion dollars on all.
But the differences.
Margaret Thatcher became the prime minister of Great Britain despite being a woman.
Hillary Clinton's campaign is all based on her being a woman being the first woman as -- It's time to have a woman no matter who the woman -- no matter what the woman has done -- hasn't done.
That and has this.
I wanted to leave this is the ultimate in identity politics or what I call let's focus distract everyone from the issues.
So would be you know and this is a question for a -- record and this is -- I'm not sure this thing really quote why so well.
There are you telling me that the economy continues not to get federal but these four years.
That obamacare turns out to be with the absolute disaster we have said it is right going to be from the beginning -- a total disaster showing up.
And the pain and people's anger about.
Into the country that is it is being challenged in the world everywhere but all of this could be just simply displaced by saying.
You don't -- the day if the woman the day of this minority or whatever and identity politics over.
The substance of the nation's surviving.
Right -- that question is and what Hillary Clinton is not done he's shown any and I'm really getting more more.
-- -- on -- about this views.
As -- yet to show that she believed she stands for anything anymore.
And I have a blessed with last week was all about I'm a woman and and I thought Maureen -- yesterday summed up her question.
Which which which Hillary Clinton if she's going to be a change agent just being a woman getting elected is not a changing.
It is it is to activists women they initiatives to address is all you care up drive and all you -- just like the people care.
Only only issue abortion whether or not we have a country left.
Or real or -- of these ridiculous.
You don't obsessions with social action to the exclusion of everything else I'm not -- enough.
But these questions are.
Her mark there apparent on issues of whether this nation will continue to be the nation of walks and that question is -- tomorrow.
There is no voice in Hillary Clinton is shown nothing disappears from round.
Why and -- James horrible go to her super -- I mean there is surrounded by.
-- -- -- with blue suede shoes and blue -- trying to get their hands on contracts -- more government business.
Brett -- but -- -- -- right but what I am trying to set up the court onto the -- the analogy of Margaret Thatcher when she.
Came to power suddenly non.
And what she did in taking on courageously the establishment.
Yeah took on the establishment from which she -- she.
Ticked off members of the Conservative Party she led them in ways they had the courage to golf.
And I know is that she was she was electability because they were desperate walker -- but -- Hillary thank I don't say in.
Not that I really count eight years as First Lady ship to be a political credential but because she was the co president.
With the health care initiative and all that and then.
Eight years in the US senate and for years -- secretary of state I dare anybody to tell me one thing this woman has done that's made a difference.
Maybe Libya she pushed Bolivia.
-- invasion but that's him.
Moline venture bully that you only -- bank Gaza and it would bring I was just I don't wanna be talking about a bill which we saw today.
With the organization which is demanded a little warm for performers security operatives 500.
Demanding hearing still I'm still won't think that's going away.
But I mean she's gonna do a book about being secretary of state which is a -- law a travel a little complicated accomplishing what other -- look at the you don't even I said you know she's doing great.
Compared to Obama compared to Tom Tom on the -- -- and analysts -- You know BS they took some positions on things were better and more realistic.
What what did she accomplish.
And what she arguing okay but here's here's my thing but it's -- perhaps you should.
Gupta Republicans we have said since we started the show dog and pat and -- That we thought we were in a -- 2011 and Tony twelve.
In a pre -- pre political revolutionary moment in this country where the public has had it with the establishment.
Didn't happen we didn't get a third candidate when he twelve instead the Republicans doubled down on the establishment with Mitt Romney.
Obama had an easy time -- that -- up.
And got reelected but the pre revolutionary moment is still here pat the economy is not getting better the unemployment numbers it came -- show were in a stagnating economy.
People are discouraged right track wrong track which we have poll number two if we could put that up.
Only 35% of the people think we're on the right track 57%.
We could put slide to up.
-- -- 57%.
Think we're on the wrong track that's not getting any better.
If this continues this way the country is crying out for Margaret Thatcher Ronald Reagan.
-- assault -- an ideological but it but it question about whether or not someone who can get to Mount Olympus and asked a question I was at dinner parties Saturday night.
What's the -- became very clear -- this is if you look at our economy you look at what's happening.
And what's not happening in the growth and what's happy new generation -- been denied.
Thing to have a better future than that than ever given that we were given.
You know there are huge gigantic issues but they're all poised to run a different narrative and that narrative it's a -- -- system.
In what I call -- be well yesterday.
That Obama is presiding over that I corrupt regime a.
So beautiful rapper jam like London was corrupted -- that is cleaner lines -- people right by yet whether there corporations -- revenues or whatever -- -- -- to these specific detriment.
Of every ordinary man woman and child -- America Hillary gonna be the one to change how that help you know she's all of that she is not only other -- -- -- all the lock stock and barrel by the as little as we go to a break our producer Barbara -- who is.
English and American are you -- Just reminded me guess you are are -- reminds me that Margaret Thatcher said if you set out to be light you'll look -- -- -- -- And right now this country needs some -- not just someone to be like like a bomb on the front of everybody's really.
We are -- -- letter to come on and tell us the truth can beat the American people decide whether what they wanna be right we're gonna take a break we'll pick up on that after the break this for Packard bell on Java -- today.
Political insiders will be right back.
They were back -- probably -- -- -- Packard Dell know -- this way.
Department of spirited discussion about the future of our country using the prism of Margaret Thatcher in 1979.
And we're gonna take couple comments first -- we're gonna go to some very good poll numbers.
Johnny sage said if I were a Democrat I would be annoyed that yet another establishment candidate Hillary was being crowned.
Where is the variety of opinion in the democratic national party.
It's disappeared I mean base I mean essentially.
Moderate Democrats been squeezed out party.
Because the press is now becoming major constituency in the party in her voice is not hurt.
And because Republicans have no one we can -- I mean there's a huge factor.
Forget -- -- -- -- that SM PLA which I guess means simple enough says yes people will vote for the idea of a woman.
Just because it's time to have a woman as present.
You know why is it time to have a woman's -- automatic someone who's the most confident.
Of what they did inspirational leader -- about that by the way.
Maybe that should be the case the -- because that is that is patients' faces that you couldn't do this position we will what will help -- we just happy movie star.
We've had won but why don't we get a real movie star.
How about somebody -- have Kardashian I mean what do you wanna say about what you want to hear about why don't we have -- cart bashing him for present.
One -- she gets big ratings she gets big popular music you know I got this is that this is safe society.
That stands for not look there are serious crisis going on in this society.
And they're not being addressed and if somebody stood up in took on the establishment.
And -- in the lack of troops society and to be.
I welcome larger now want to get back that let us do this let's please let's slow where it's not.
Okay let's put up 345.
And six in order and we're gonna -- who's gonna do -- fields.
With -- analyzing these numbers like at first this is 26 change general election.
Hillary beats -- state only by three points let's go to the next one.
Hillary pops up to 54.
Jeb Bush goes -- -- -- 38.
This -- going to remember that 38 for jab next one.
Hillary is going to be at 52 Rand Paul forty once -- Rand -- three points higher than bush.
And the last one is Marco Rubio and Hillary where Hillary's and fifth and we put it up place.
52 again and -- -- Ford so we have Jeb Bush at 38 Rand Paul 41 and rubio forty.
It lets you okay now we're gonna go to Joseph Biden if we could put up number seven plays.
Here is -- Christie Christie goes up by 34 -- was who's at 43 and Biden is less popular than Hillary by the same three points.
Let's go to the next one.
The next one is going to be.
Biden at 49 Chevy is at 41 he'd been at 38 against Hillary -- it three point -- three point ship next one Joseph Biden at fifth -- and Rand Paul the same 41 that he had.
The next one Joseph Biden at 53.
Rubio goes down to 39.
Got -- What can we deduce about well the Republicans.
And Biden vs Hillary in it.
As a comparison but it looks as -- -- taking each of the war racism then and and you get the aggregate scores.
Again Hillary runs about 51.
And the Republican run about forty.
51 before and with Hillary -- -- Lambert forty of the and Biden is about 48.
To 42 properly right.
All on the on me so he is essentially.
Each couple points but to map points less than she -- With all the -- all Hillary for her an -- person who's never done well polls so now let's turn our attention what this says about the Republicans have -- was at least a somewhat.
Out of the box fees and out of the bars different figure.
He runs close races look at the slaughter of bush look at the man who is the presumptive establish.
The Republicans some -- the bottom has dropped out because sixteenth the seemed to have nothing -- all.
In their body of 4042%.
-- think the average 41.
That's a base.
Against 49 of fifty for the Democrats.
This is this is a serious problem it says that he'll -- is there I think it's as much because of the Republicans.
And I think would it does suggests is there is back.
-- -- -- means something else and I think city of what I would love to see developing now and -- you've you've said it.
We had is -- pointed out its use embolden the because they were all looking for establishment person -- when someone decides to -- Or -- -- raise the banner of an anti establishment anti Washington anti political class anti corruption.
And -- in a Renaissance for America candidacy.
If somebody would raise that banner moment -- boom and then you seem by the way -- and here's -- point about the corruption.
The corruption is what it is if she Republicans talking -- few people who are minority you -- it for free enterprise and whatever.
What they don't -- saying to -- -- is your -- freak when they talk about it's all up fractions.
It's all about my bank account.
It's not about freedom and a sense of aspiration.
It's not about saying corruption.
Do you believe that the cost of corruption to have public employee teachers unions do what they -- it means that if you're black or poor me talk but as you know what.
Your children don't have a future really.
Because of where they were -- That is an outrage that -- a moral.
And with -- black.
President -- presiding over black unemployment at levels never seen and not a war of criticism from black leaders from the median -- But much less any Republicans or anybody else getting up -- -- This is a loss of natural to challenge them really to go to in the Republican seat can't.
I think that they are the weeks I think they got to know the ability.
Because they can't get up and say the blacks and Hispanics you're being played for suckers by the white -- on the number -- -- and company what you get nothing in return.
Can we conclude though on the numbers that you just did the GO paid down -- the wigs are giving.
But Hillary and Biden hovering 5148.
There's no great love for these two people it's anti Republican.
Hillary's strength is getting the nomination not necessarily winning a general election so far when I -- She's running less well than Obama was running five months ago he got what do you get 52% of the vote.
Analysts fearless actually she's officially getting the same vote because you.
This is that that's true.
But you know the thing with this -- -- the question means beer that's the challenge inside the fifty but he did for the Democrats is that got to carry a lot of burdens election.
But nothing to say they may be successful.
Yeah but against -- mr.
outsider -- and let me just say it's one issue the banks.
We have Eric Holder the attorney general the United States two -- goes -- well I even after Dodd-Frank -- the component but he -- -- -- -- referred to it.
You know AKA.
The -- you know the you know we cannot prosecute.
Criminal activities by the too big to -- institutions who has been hurt the economy.
This this thing outwardly they have these popping up everything for the Wall Street and -- market.
And this this chip global society.
Let me think what that does say unite people from all left the right there was that they won't -- -- -- by David Stockman on what we're gonna -- The making of a major critique about Washington's side which Paul Corbin of course -- runs out and fight.
Because -- he's such a -- but.
The takes on the entire -- style -- -- -- Canadian unit of American economic and political leadership is always wrong insolvent but a lot of these exact right.
Then deleted -- and now let's take Larry Lester cousy left this.
Has a piece really out this week.
Taking on the issue about eight banana republic that we that they did what I call what I've been calling democracy by the -- the pumpkin.
The tented village -- American democracy but pretend elections.
And so what well from left -- right there is a coalition it's called the American -- I -- still we got one comment from Johnny saves and one last quick topic all -- Johnny states' -- us now.
All this shows is that Democrats will vote for anyone with the and Republicans are much more conflict -- well you're right they're conflicted they are not happy Republicans.
It's a mess on the right I'm part of it I know what I've seen it coming and maybe Pat's right we are the -- we're gonna transformed to a new party.
Run out of time I wanted to touch and next week we'll get more into it the crisis of leadership in America which you mutual we're -- -- -- on.
It's all across the leadership class in every industry academia religion all that and whoever is gonna come along and jump on that.
That's the next great leader in America it because it won't be just about the government will be -- Making having people were why their -- sense of the society that's why them the Lincoln movie did so well and white people or yearning for something wanna get it right.
We've run out of time.
Perhaps maybe back if you for Packard bell for doctor doctor Doug shown and fumble -- We'll be back Sunday at 545.
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Have a great week.
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