Power Play 4/8/2013
What's a win for Obama on guns? The legacy of Margaret Thatcher. Plus – the latest on the Korean conundrum.
Apr 8, 2013
Joe Trippi, Lachlan Markay, Jim Pinkerton
What's a win for Obama on guns? The legacy of Margaret Thatcher. Plus – the latest on the Korean conundrum.
Apr 8, 2013
Joe Trippi, Lachlan Markay, Jim Pinkerton
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I won't put.
Everything I've got -- this and so will -- The president has has pushed very hard he was in Denver.
Last week he's headed to Connecticut on Monday can make the case.
He is Marshall did the American people suicide.
And that was Dan -- and President Obama his boss fight for their talking to Chris Wallace on FOX News Sunday with appropriately enough.
Chris Wallace and President -- way back in -- January.
With families from the new -- massacre behind him and what's elapsed between January and today.
In terms of what is everything the president can do one gun control.
Has changed so we will all of this is power play by the way it's filled -- by.
Here this Monday morning and I'm Chris tire -- We will talk about that on guns we will we will we will also talk about.
-- -- Baroness Thatcher for those of -- in Britain we don't use -- here as we think it's too fancy.
But Margaret Thatcher in the lessons.
It did that on the day of her passing for American conservatives.
Turns out that they find themselves that are similar situation to her party in -- movement in Britain back in 1970 possible talked about back.
And we'll talk about it Korean conundrum what to do with crazy people who may or may not have nuclear weapons that they want to stuff we will do all of that.
We will have -- point we'll have a good time.
And I know that's -- no no sense that it is true because I can feel presence here who is it.
It's Joseph Trippi yes it's Joseph Trippi yes he's -- he's contributor you know that.
More than a million have you already -- -- -- so obviously you know that he's on Twitter.
But you also should know when I was pointed out -- here is he is person -- a political strategist who.
Revolutionized the use of the Internet.
With candidacy of Howard Dean welcome rather -- I tried.
You tried it worked their readers later there -- I was gonna say there's no Obama.
Without being and so and there's -- -- -- -- attributes of their ego to say -- -- -- of a big deal.
All right so I heard Dan Pfeiffer and he had kind of -- It kind of rough Sunday he went around -- he.
Is good strategically but on camera and doing stuff -- -- maybe -- a bit of a rough day.
And he was trying to talk about what the new standard for success.
On gun control is for the president back in January.
People cynical people.
Said however much the president wants to do one gun control this is -- tough out because even within isn't it party you've got.
You know 20% basically Democrats in congress that say absolutely no dice so now they're trying to bring the focus not on any particular kinds of weapons but expanding background checks.
-- two questions number one is that enough -- The democratic base.
Can he really get something.
I don't know being get something through but I expecting to answer the question.
Anything they get through it as a win for the president -- -- that's what I would have said about us.
-- -- -- -- The opposition's just not gonna stand we got tough.
-- gun lobby -- right right in.
NGE it's it's unbelievable that assault weapons and all these other things are off the table already -- -- you know in the end.
If we get anything passed these guys that will be.
That that's gonna turn out I think to be reality.
And I think the other thing is is.
Voters would see it that way -- 90% of the you know voters.
Eighty something percent I think it -- including 60% of -- Republicans are for background checks.
Senior you don't you're you're on safe ground which and that of these you know all the way to the hill.
It gets critically -- quickly on that point because.
Wow day do -- background checks they dislike and we talked about this last week quipped yeah I can pull out that was very revealing while there was.
You know nine to one.
Support for background checks there was a plurality that were concerned about a gun registry -- I.
I'm with you I'm saying they.
You push it.
And then when it if it doesn't happen it's a win win because you're pushing something.
880% of their of people including 60% of Republicans -- -- it.
And they want something done in -- -- when nothing happens you get to blame it on all the people who stopped I mean -- it -- by the way that hurts.
Republicans in in more swing districts in it -- it definitely hurts.
In more rural and in other districts were you in swing districts as well it to be with the president.
But it's that's the mix that that made -- couldn't get it done I'm not saying that's a game they're playing but I do think it's the politics of but right right right right right so if you're the president.
-- Would you rather have something.
Did and that we're just speaking cynically politically here we leave aside your particular points of view about gun registries and all that stuff we apologize but.
From a practical political purpose with so much to drag across the finish line right now.
Immigration a budget primarily -- the big -- but there's plenty to be done and also North Korea could blow something up or whatever.
If you're the president would you rather have quickly passed something with bipartisan support on this which is to say.
You can do background checks but there's no records -- it's just -- one time deal that there's no registry at all but rather get that passed her hold out for some.
But I think he can only -- -- for what you can get inside that I think if that's what he can get take it because I mean I personally.
Would but want much more minutes -- so you know so we're still a lot of Democrats liberals but.
I think right now.
You've got to get what you what's -- and what.
What is it Joseph -- That you know that kind of Democrat where where can he can you know Pat -- -- intensity they can come up with something.
They can get you the votes in the senate to get it through then -- probably still going to be still going to be the house.
I mean you know so even even at those two actually -- it.
-- in exempt.
You you don't have come to background checks but it zipped.
Friends family -- has -- -- in terms that you even get something done it gets up at indigo I still don't know how you did it.
It with the house does -- Think you know -- moved from -- out Republicans I think that if the senate were to pass legislation.
That was an expansion of background checks to include gun shows and to include -- basically anybody who's a licensed federal firearms dealer for any time they sell -- thing.
That they're -- -- background -- and integrating mental health into it I think that there'd be some.
Students were also so that may be the best that the president can get but I think if he got that it would be it the theater -- I don't think he can lead.
What's happened in the -- Just go I mean I don't think he you know getting to that I tried but they they -- -- these terrible they dare stop being I don't think that's going to be goodness I mean.
-- I don't think that's what he's he wants I don't think they're playing team -- it.
To get some political push against Republicans and swing districts in 2014.
And they've got the debts of one of the side benefits goes down that way right let's -- I don't think that's what you want that's that's what's actually do something that's the chicken salad you can make yet.
So is it true that you will be on stuff.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Tomorrow tomorrow for some reason we -- today don't tell them don't tell the Internet that and that old would take away the sensation of noodles -- -- -- didn't know what it is that you will be talking about the budget.
The budget -- brilliant because we're previewing the president's.
Wednesday announcement this budget.
I don't know I guess they decided to travesty that the night before not tonight's -- words that actually matters is what the president says it -- -- actually matter.
Yeah I'll watch it matters why because.
It's the same thing is on guns right you're gonna have to have some compromises that something that.
-- compromise will be.
We have long knives bloody knuckles moments of this little this little stuff that -- -- -- and all next my New Year's -- like that I mean you know and everything.
And all the things you immigration reform.
We're still looking at every inning did the whole problem still is even if you -- did what -- elect Lindsey Graham sat on the Sunday shows that he thought.
What he was seeing being proposed by the president might actually be on the verge of position for agreeing.
Bargain but so the president Lindsey Graham.
Are getting closer does that really mean that there's the debt.
Liberals who don't like change CPI and conservatives who -- not vote for another tax increase.
It's how it's that -- how do you put it altogether even if he gets people who leadership.
Will be watching for you believe brother wrote it's it's going to be very going to be fascinating to watch it fascinating and watch it but it's always fascinating to have you here to thank you couldn't -- -- -- Internet we're gonna take a quick break -- it went -- so -- that we can backward talk about.
But I've heard about today you don't you do in the you can follow me -- these narrow issue but it.
You certainly follow me Nazi -- on the twitters.
And you could have my column that I wrote about Thatcher's timely lessons from American conservatives -- talk about that the couple of those American conservatives and we come back.
-- -- It says discards made it big compliment but as -- -- -- truth.
But those diets -- living faith and -- just you know everything has.
That was Margaret Thatcher then a candidate.
Speed prime minister of Great Britain back in February 1976.
And this is -- -- Margaret Thatcher.
Died today that's -- stroke.
Her legacy is very large in Britain certainly.
She has reshaped her party -- She reshape her party there and much simpler that Ronald Reagan remains the Republican Party in the United States moved right made it viable after a period in.
And all of that but.
She has a lot to teach American conservatives and those are lessons that today on the day of passing -- -- might consider here.
-- -- my column so I am very glad to have two people who are authorities on these subjects and more.
You know and like and I can tell because more than 5000 of you follow him on Twitter Jim Pinkerton he is a contributing writer and editor at the American conservative magazine but he is also -- Fox News contributor.
He's a friend of -- and -- telecast we're great at them.
And you know a lot Clinton RK he is of the Washington freebies and he has more Twitter followers.
-- but I'm not going to make a big deal out of -- that's fine luck and welcome back thank you.
OK guys I wrote today let's just -- my thesis as much as I'm just gonna make it all about me let's test my thesis.
Thatcher in -- way has more to teach American conservatives about this moment than Reagan -- because Reagan was set you already had and we do.
Watergate had acted as an artificial.
Boon to Democrats it hadn't been real political realignment it afforded Reagan an opportunity to drive through the -- remake his own party.
And there waiting for him on the other side were a lot of those 72 Nixon voters who were waiting to come back to the fold.
And all of that stuff.
The Thatcher who did -- revolution in Britain was a pretty tough hole right.
I think that they both had in common was.
You win the argument -- we -- it and that's what conservatives have forgotten how to do I think it more recently.
Jurors actually making the case what they what they accomplished.
And -- Thatcher and Reagan we're both chambers and intellectual climate.
Of their time is set to start the set is now before they took power and -- you know.
Every conservative intellectual.
In -- the UK and US news there now trying to actor's bed and Reagan is pretty good chance Reagan Thatcher knew them and correspond with them.
And and again that's it that's a pretty significant difference between then and now.
-- now a lot of fun for the Republicans today.
That there is no Reagan right now -- on the horizon Reagan of course was already famous.
He had been a movie actor that he was famous from 64 election that he was governor of the largest state in the union for two terms he was it telegenic charismatic person.
That certainly -- 1980 after his unsuccessful bids have -- he was the heir apparent he was the guy.
There isn't a guy for the Republicans right now but the.
Wasn't for the Tories in Britain in 1975 there are no I think the the real parallel in this -- -- think -- the similarities here between Reagan and Thatcher.
In the similarities to -- where we are today is that there was in both the United States in Britain of viewing of decline.
You know stagnation that -- Exact data entry and exit Batman -- and then the United States going into the eighties was not you know we were room recession -- -- -- In I think there's a similar feeling today that we don't know we're very uncertain about the future and so I think.
You know the stature in Reagan's policies aside what the country's -- waiting for someone to sort of step forward and fill that void and in.
Give us a sense of purpose and you know the president's statement president Obama's statement this morning -- -- spot on -- said.
She gave this this feeling that we were just subject to the winds of history but could.
Could withstand it with force of will win and principle and someone.
Which is -- good exemplar of a good politician when you can say something really honest and flattering about somebody with whom you disagree -- -- well he's at it promises that they rhetoric yes he did so there's been Vincent street Obama.
Disorder and respects effectiveness.
And it -- end.
You know just go outside your -- but it doesn't doesn't -- to beautiful convicted a lot of observers think is use showing some signs of what that's how successful if we went well the thing on the left.
Jim has been that Obama could function sort of as too liberal Ronald Reagan that he could undo.
A lot of what Reagan did in terms of realigning the -- -- -- -- right foot today.
And making conservatism that lingua franc.
That Obama could do that on the left that he could take the things.
And the tools and the approaches that Reagan and Thatcher years and use them but.
I think it is sort of display form.
It is obvious that the closed out the Washington Post over the weekend.
Where to -- you look president.
My it was a disappointment in his angels whose utterly Carter -- indiscriminately.
Of Sistani you know it's hard -- and because.
-- help me out.
Getting giving Obama may have sort of and being.
Reagan Reagan Thatcher that does seem to be drifting -- sort of Carter did you hear it's good.
-- he's this is good now.
Key sets us up where this question Auckland which is.
For the Tories in Britain.
They were basically that's an erotic bunch.
Sixties who were trying to hold on to.
They were trying to as they manage the implementation of socialism in Britain they were looking admiringly at places like Denmark insane -- We can hold on to the monarchy.
And we can hold onto an upper crust and privilege here then we can give the jobs all of the free stuff that they want to just hold onto our spot.
Margaret that it was totally different than that demographically.
-- woman and also not.
Notably -- she was -- daughter from them for goodness sakes.
Demography counts as Republicans are looking for the way forward right.
Absolutely but I think you -- eat eat it again goes back to the question of leadership.
You know I think that's what was really lacking at the time was any.
From sense of the direction that they wanted the country to go in Torre's one of the country to go so.
You know that's what we're looking for.
In terms of the Republican Party at the moment is it clear sense of you don't rather than just being an oppositional party -- or warning -- sort of managed the the left upward direction that we're going in it's a sense that you don't of wanted to have an agenda awaits -- to move the country in a conservative direction you really don't show.
She -- said it was the sense that feelings message didn't like yes what -- you Harry feelings to a bit what you think.
Guys thank you protect your thinking with us today -- insightful as always -- -- 323 says Margaret Thatcher had more.
Then all mail -- -- world quote leaders put together today.
That's you -- she was that they didn't -- the Iron Lady for nothing.
-- to both.
And yes my thing and -- said it wrong all licensed gun -- -- federally licensed gun dealers after.
Perform background -- wherever they sell the -- I know I'm sorry -- -- it wrong thank you for keeping us honest.
Thank you mark.
I really -- a quick break but when we come back it's an update about North Korea but also what the political ramifications in the United States and thinking.
About what to do with this insane nation where it's insane leadership when we come back -- the current.
And that is what it looked like when US fighting men were there on the Korean Peninsula doing battle.
Where monolithic Communist and this is powered by welcome back in the situation in Korea becomes more -- more tense and more in decipher bull.
So let's figure out first what's going on over there and then what it's gonna how with the effects are going to be here let's start with David piper who joins us.
From -- David what's the latest.
Of course -- -- developments today Chris some South Korea has been saying the last 24 hours of the northeast trying to grab the attention of the -- every day.
Why some kind of action and they did today before the announcements.
Margaret Thatcher they.
They just announced they were closing on this huge industrial complex they jointly and with South Korea.
North Korean workers who will be leaving that place -- Now what's important about this pond as well as -- inter Korean relations is there wasn't communication link that -- communication link between two careers.
And -- cut off -- the communications now.
Between them so it is a significant development also perhaps because they were make -- perhaps eighteen million dollars a year in hard currency from this plaza.
Quite quite serious also today -- a few ramifications.
Of what the politicians have been saying -- the unification minister.
He came out earlier in the day and he suggested.
On cameras caught on camera that they might be planning and you can attest up north.
Quickly backtracked city miss good misspoke.
And the defense ministry came out with a statement saying that that seen some some movements -- the nuclear test site votes.
At the moment no no indication that there will be and you can attest and we old waiting at this time of course for perhaps are equal the -- this suggestion that the might be intermediate missile test off the East Coast of North Korea.
That's how it's -- -- -- Chris.
David stay safe thank you.
Okay now now that we know what it is.
Let's find out what it Shelby.
And what it shall be is the province one KT McFarland.
She is of course at Fox News national security analyst yes yes that's that's very important.
And her longstanding service in Washington.
On such matters is important but you should know the most of all Internet that you should be you must be -- -- you must be watching her as the host of Defcon three -- Every Wednesday afternoon at 1 PM eastern time here -- but it's -- a tape.
It's great to do it there and thanks for that big promo on -- very banks.
I watch it it's good and not just because I'd like war games affairs you're all right so -- the question -- is.
This behavior we know is different than the lunacy that with the the apparition is lunacy that we saw.
In the past from -- Goldman's father and people in Washington are taking it seriously.
How does this affect US.
Military -- policy status -- we are we gonna see a shift in things here.
Well I think your right to point out that this year is different.
There in the past -- it's just so predictable -- they'll be in North Korean military crisis every spring it's like daylight savings time cherry bombs and North Korean crisis.
Why did they do -- they do it because they're running out of food.
This is their management technique they're running out of food and fuel oil I want -- for the manufacture crisis.
The world comes running -- -- -- don't go to war we'll give you what you want and then the crisis debates until the following year.
Now why is this year different and this year in fact scarier because all the players in this game are new this year there's a new Japanese foreign minister.
Prime minister -- South Korean president.
New Chinese leadership new US secretary's statement -- secretary of defense and of course the new North Korean leader who's proven himself to be pretty reckless.
So he -- and you have all these new leaders there's us there's a large chance that somebody will slightly -- calculate.
The thing that's different is the north Koreans now have nuclear weapons now I know people don't like to say that.
I think that they have tested a nuclear weapons that's just by the fact that president.
Clinton President Bush President Obama said North Korea you'll never be allowed to get nuclear weapons the fact is they now have nuclear weapons.
I think what happens next -- we have now sort of ratcheted up they have certainly ratcheted up.
The crisis I think that North Korea say the privileges said I think they will test some kind of a missile this week it's the hundredth anniversary of the birth that.
Kim Germans grandfather -- a guy who founded the North Korean state what a fitting birthday present for him if it.
And the question that is why -- we do about it do we shoot it down I don't think we well I think in less it looks like it's going for Japan or South Korea we just let it go.
And then at that point.
Everybody takes a deep breath but the problem is how do you prevent this from next year.
This guy is now bearing emboldened by the fact that he's a nuclear weapons state.
And I ended GAAP.
That asked me if I'm sorry we're out of time about Q are you are rather marvelous you know so we thank you for sharing some of that -- marvel business with us -- -- -- -- All right Internet.
I want -- to do I want to tell you Mike Emanuel is going to be and got them on here a little bit you're gonna like that I know that you -- I like Mike and right you should too.
So you'll you'll get to see that soon it's Monday so there's no Charles but how about some power points to educational power points peculiar peninsula.
-- -- your power points today number one casualties.
You know it's the Korean War which we see playing out still today the last real -- resolve conflict of the Cold War.
Began with Japanese occupation ultimately of the Korean Peninsula.
And I want you to think about this a two point six million.
Korean human beings were put into slave labor.
By Japanese overboard -- came in -- that it was so bad in fact that one quarter it is estimated of the casualties.
At Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Were Korean slave workers who were scripted and taken out of their native countries -- work in factories can't.
A long -- history Korea has a very long very sad history abused and put upon by all of their neighbors.
They are in a good there and a favorable geographic position which is made them.
Suffer tremendously over the years second PowerPoint police state.
One point four million Chinese soldiers that's.
Troops were involved in the so called police action that the United States fought and in the early 1950s.
Illustrated -- -- 6000 American soldiers when he 6000 Soviets got in the play it was a big deal it was a big fight.
But you know what.
The -- the forgotten war for reasons we have not learned many lessons we have not paid much attention to that war in its veterans and it's to our worst part so let's just remember that's today third Arab point Don breakers.
Did you watch the premiere of mad men last night you should've because Don Draper these characters -- -- service factors and and we don't spend much time thinking about that so here -- some worthwhile statistics to remember 36574.
American soldiers were killed in Korea that's a lot 103002.
-- -- 84 wounded.
-- always mission missing in action so.
Just remember as you do all that stuff remember how much American blood was spilled and there how much loss of this country suffered -- that work.
To those your power points for today have fun with my season.
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