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Right now a new push to secure America's borders lawmakers on both sides of Capitol Hill introducing legislation today -- -- the Department of Homeland Security.
To lay out a comprehensive plan to secure the borders and verify the results.
The chairmen of the house homeland security committee and the house subcommittee on border security.
Joining Texas senator John -- to introduce the border security results act of 2013.
In the joint statement they point out quote ten years after the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.
It is never produced a comprehensive strategy to gain operational control of our borders.
And it still does not have measures to determine if security is improving.
Byron York is chief political correspondent for the Washington examiner.
Good to see Byron and if there's going to be a deal on immigration.
It's going to hinge on our ability to secure our borders that is the demand on the right in yet.
It seems more obvious than ever that we don't really have any way of knowing how well how good -- job -- doing.
That's right this new bill came as a result of -- of a couple of things have happened in the last several weeks one.
The Department of Homeland Security had promised they'd come up with a new way a new method to measure border security and a few weeks ago they admitted that.
They it wasn't ready and it wasn't gonna measure border security so there's no way.
Actually measure of support border security which as you've said is is key to even starting immigration reform and the next thing is.
The Department of Homeland Security had always said that the declining number of apprehensions.
Of people crossing the border illegally indicated that the flow.
Had been reduced in recent years.
Well -- just tried to Border Patrol is try to new radar -- mounted on a drone was actually developed to -- Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.
And they flew it over part of the border in Arizona.
And they discovered that Border Patrol was apprehending.
Fewer than half the people who were crossing illegally and they didn't even know how many people have been crossing illegally so.
Those two things really kind of shocked a number of lawmakers on Capitol Hill in this bill that was filed today is a result.
But those developments this is -- have any legs we'll have any impact.
On the debate the overall debate that we mention on immigration reform.
Well I think it's gonna inject border security big time into this debate because we've been -- we've been hearing a lot lately about guest workers an agreement between.
Labor and business and all that kind of stuff in immigration reform in in in fact it's the issue border security for a lot of Republicans at least.
That's going to be a major major part of it and I think if anything it's going to cause the group's.
That are are working on bills right now the gang -- in the senate and another group in the house.
Two make sure that -- border security provisions.
Are as tough as they can make them and so have Democrats agree Lindsey Graham one of the leading Republicans in the senate who's been talking in favor.
Comprehensive immigration reform he was on Fox News Channel earlier today let's take a listen to what he said.
It's about controlling jobs controlling the border having a guest worker program so you can.
Access legal work -- legal workforce when you can't find people here to do the job at a competitive.
Wage but at the end of the day I think immigration reform is gonna help the.
So that's Lindsey Graham -- taken obviously there are some Republicans like Marco Rubio.
Who agree with him on that.
But an awful lot of voices on the right who disagree with that as well and now -- conservatively think tanks are getting the end.
On the -- weighing in on on whether or not this is a good thing doesn't matter that there isn't sort of a unified message on the right when it comes to immigration -- -- it well it does I mean there's there's more support for immigration reform among Democrats and if Republicans are completely.
Divided that means that certainly that probably the reformers are going to -- prevail on this there is a big division.
Over the question of whether increased.
Immigration would actually end up costing American taxpayers money.
Or whether would be a boon to the American economy what happened last time around in 2007.
When -- considering on these bills are very influential study came out of The Heritage Foundation a conservative think tank.
Saying that illegal immigration was a net cost to the taxpayers that is that immigrants were consuming more and federal services.
Then they weren't paying taxes.
Now you're seeing that battle start again with the new bill about to come out and -- been a number of Republican groups.
That is said no no immigrants are actually a boon to the economy they'll increased the workforce participation rate.
And the GDP and we're about to have yet another study from The Heritage Foundation business -- just the opposite.
So Republicans conservatives are not at all on the same page about that.
Byron York always good to talk to you thanks very much for joining us today thank you Rick.
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