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And those are -- United States senators with very different ideas about how long.
And how invasive the process of exploring immigration legislation should be Marco Rubio he's Republican.
And pat Leahy he's Democrat who chairs the Judiciary Committee and this is power play and I -- Chris -- And getting videos and and good to see you here.
And the deal is that the president.
Democrats in the senate and Republicans have a more liberal bent than rubio saying it's time to sprint to the finish line and a big immigration bill roll that thing -- get going late he says he's gonna have one hearing.
And this massive massive massive legislation we're talking more than a thousand pages huge thing.
And they're looking to fast track this sucker and dump it over our house Republicans.
To try to get it -- rubio says look.
If you don't go slow enough on this and you won't get the body and the thing is doomed to fail anyway they're asked to be lots of hearings -- lots of debate.
Lots of discussion.
How that player will talk about that day because I -- you want to know because this is a big week for the president.
And his second term agenda we'll talk -- some other parts of that agenda we will talk about the fact that the president will.
After -- fashion.
Release his budget blueprint tomorrow he's a little late but he thinks he may have found the sweet spot in between senate Democrats and house Republicans.
To try to get a full year spending deal put in place before the federal government again.
We choose to be debt ceiling.
And we will also talk about what's going -- with guns in some breaking news today by the way up from down in Kentucky.
Where there is an accusation.
That some people illegally surreptitiously.
-- Mitch McConnell -- team.
In his perspective.
Now I'm not going to occur race against Ashley Judd will talk about all of those things we will -- amuse entertain -- and -- -- use Internet.
So it is a good thing then that with us is your friend Jonathan strong.
He is in fact the staff writer roll call that's true and he is follow bull on looks twitters at capitol today underscore underscore is that -- you don't.
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Marco Rubio says not so fast on immigration guys please your freaking everybody out.
The old wisdom in Washington though is if you have something that's controversial.
You want to move it quickly you've got to get it going fast because the longer it sits on the shelf the more people are gonna dislike.
Yeah -- big the proponents the people who are behind this in the getting paid on the outside the senate side.
Of leaving this out there.
All public momentum builds against it and but what rubio is recognizing is that in trying to move this through quickly and under the cover of darkness.
You're actually raising the level of suspicion that a grassroots have about what's in the bill.
So you it's two -- sword and I think that -- is probably has the smarter take here on what works in this.
Modern Internet era the cultural politics that we're in these days he's -- you I think rubio has got the smarter instinct here personally I.
-- -- right so what about this and this is this is a reasonable consideration for Republicans.
You know one of the best things -- don't form in the 2010 elections and soon there after.
Angry over the way not just what the legislation produced in the 111 congress -- but the way it was done.
Read the bill read the bill in our home fans haven't -- a 100%.
-- 72 -- rules and all of that stuff they have thrown a couple of hail -- they have tried to get stuff out there.
As best that they could try to get over various clips bumps ditches.
-- dams right but.
Generally the public likes transparency in the public likes reading bills right right now if you remember John Boehner as she stood on the house floor with this mammoth legislation.
That had you know.
300 pages of amendments to which had been dropped 3 AM that morning.
And threw it down on the house floor in dramatic fashion.
This was a real winning issue for Republicans.
And you know they've they've not been perfect on it but -- -- better than the Democrats were for sure when they were in control of the house.
And I I think -- it I mean I think that in this environment.
Of a little trust for congress and what our politicians are doing in Washington.
It just it will blow things up the process can blow things up in a way that wasn't true ten or fifteen years.
Right because now you're watching -- -- -- so annoying you're always out there looking at everything and reading legislation and tweets and stuff like that.
So in terms.
And we'll talk more about this later but.
-- minute of -- and it's something that I think our columns.
I did I do it every day I don't care you can't stop.
I wrote a column about how the president.
Had a moment where he could have built out some bipartisan consensus on on mass shootings and school shootings is -- -- that.
Lasted about three weeks than it was like no.
94 gun control bill rule that one again ready and hurry hurry and do it.
And if you look back.
-- not just his gun control issue but throughout the president's term.
We see a lot of like hurrying to an uncertain and it can we sign on his stimulus -- side on the health law.
Reside on the bank regulations we've seen it again and again which is you know we can't wait hurry up and do something and then it either doesn't pass like the cap and trade stuff.
Or what does pass is at least people and unsatisfied.
Do you think on immigration we're gonna see that again that there's going to be -- an effort to spread that then results in something.
Well the difference between.
These instances in his in his first term when that.
The bills actually went through it became law right is it now the Republicans control the house right.
And so if it's a situation.
Like that where people -- going to be really unhappy about it it's gonna remain polarizing.
That's probably a situation where it would go through that house in violation of -- in other words.
Most Republicans will be voting against -- -- majority of the majority right.
And so if we're having that situation I mean that is I mean that's a big parlor game in Washington -- -- avoid bring an immigration bill.
Under -- circumstances.
I personally think that he won't.
Because he's just.
I think you would be playing with fire in terms of him maintaining its role as speaker of the house.
Negative view you'll not see any John Boehner coming down and trying to jam.
A immigration comprehensive immigration itself.
Could we had a situation here where written -- comes out in the senate.
And then how start short of responding to a stalled senate bill with individual pieces of that -- we had.
Bob good -- congressman from Virginia to -- -- Judiciary Committee and basically he laid out and -- this is something we might do.
Is that if there are stuck over there we might start serving up individual chunks instead of the -- bill.
And that's one approach that could work.
Something the dynamics on the house side are somewhat in the air up in the air because good lap on the one hand is chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
On the other hand there's this group of bipartisan.
Members you know who were negotiating kind of outside of the Judiciary Committee that it really aren't.
Interfacing very much with good -- And then you have the role of -- and the rest of GOP leadership and which approach they decide.
So there's kind of like three points of focus on the -- -- is difficult to ascertain which one will will be.
You know leading the way.
And he's Smart and he knows stuff about -- Congress that's why we brought to you that's why he was that's right he was willing against his better judgment -- and we thank you thank you.
OK guys we're gonna take a quick quick break but when we come back we will have a super awesome super maneuver -- And we will talk about the fact president is going to -- to budget tomorrow that we know it's not gonna become law we know we stipulate it's not gonna become law that could be important.
As the president tries to find a way to get.
Bipartisan accord on a full year fiscal plan so that he can get out.
Budget jail where it is not able to affect much else so we'll talk about that when we come back.
Some ideal plan to further reduce the deficit it's a compromise I'm willing to accept in order to move beyond -- cycle short term crisis driven decision making.
And so that we can focus on growing our economy and our middle class for a long -- It includes many ideas Republicans have said they could except as well.
Perhaps wishful thinking from President Obama came in his weekly address last week when he said hey look.
Let's stop all this scorched earth over six week budget proposals -- we're gonna have some scorched earth let's get at least a year out of it.
There's -- I welcome back up tomorrow the president will float his budget plan house already did its version the senate kind of -- -- was they didn't enjoy it.
But they did produce a budget in the senate.
Neither of those will become one neither will the president's but these represent starting negotiating positions.
From the right the left -- the president is trying to find some place on the center left to be out there to say I'm open to compromise and ready to do we deal Republicans.
Could remember we've talked about this before not only are they gonna need to spend about three point six trillion dollars in any good RO about it right now hours of it.
And that means raising the debt ceiling and that's -- So can -- get it done.
You know who knows.
I know exactly.
And that's why they're here you know and like -- -- -- he is a strategist at -- -- -- -- barker and former spokesman for the and you also know and I believe we're coming to light snow -- the next day she is of the American action forum.
She has traveled.
On the right side of things but this organization is focused on.
Fiscal probity is that fair to say expect this -- of -- This group of privacy yes yes yes quite some very serious business deal and Douglas Holtz he can get around for the green eye shades -- -- just get serious.
All right so -- let's start with -- the president is offering an olive branch here.
He's saying to Republicans I'm willing to touch entitlements.
Willing to deal with that today they're floating Peter Barnes -- at Fox Business Network reported that they have some.
Waste reduction kind of stuff that they'd like to trim that out but it also includes tax increase.
What are your what what's the real world practicality for how this is -- ago.
Well I think this is a play for senate Republicans and there's everyone knows he's been working really hard to kind of win over handfuls senate Republicans are gonna have dinner again tomorrow right -- meeting tomorrow night.
And I think this is a play to them and say look you know see I was serious when I told you that I'm gonna try to meet you guys somewhere in the middle now obviously I'm not gonna cave on all my positions.
But this is something that I think.
You know this is a starting point of -- for negotiation with senate Republicans with house Republicans I think it's a lot more difficult.
And clearly John Boehner kind of -- the president's.
You know stuff like taxes you look at the right -- voted for the -- of fiscal -- deal.
But and he's also in the we're hanging him out the window now I think the president duke wins a little point here you'll win points from senate Republicans for.
Some of the outrage from -- on the left that he's receiving from.
House Democrats who signed a letter saying that they're against CPI there's you know the labor groups are -- Upset with him on that I think that shows that he he can say look I had the political courage to do this meet me halfway let's try to get this done and then that'll be it.
That the package that would hopefully go to the house and try to pressure house Republicans to two to bring up for a vote.
I don't know -- is this.
What the president's proposed saying is this enough is this enough to to show that he isn't -- in real fiscal reform.
I think they have to be careful calling this a grand bargain and it's not quite as grand as I think a lot of people like and we should stipulate here apparently we have defined deviancy down on grand -- grand bargain in Washington not constitute one year -- -- -- Which we haven't done since 2007.
I think it's -- it's great.
That the president's having dinner with senator -- I think -- talking and trying to figure out -- -- -- is something that hasn't happened and far too long and I think that that's.
That's good starting -- anything that -- we've seen and heard so far about the president's budget isn't really quite enough.
So it really get negotiations going so it's not quite enough that they changed I think it's a little bit more than changing rhetoric and change in policy but we'll see you tomorrow.
Does -- surprise.
He became obvious here's -- I think that's -- I mean I think what is interesting is the pressure's always been on.
So what does the president and and due to meet Republicans halfway what are Republicans going to do because that you know they passed a budget the Paul Ryan budget which was very much to the right.
And I'd like to see I'd like to see where there you know where are they willing to move because most of the house Republicans voted against the fiscal -- deal so this whole idea that they had to take out.
Politically tough vote by raising taxes is nonsense because they all but most of them voted against it but the people like the guts were you know -- -- and Brian most of the other house Republicans voted against it so.
You know for political for the troops trying to I'd like to see where are they willing to take you know some political hit.
It's still think -- that can't be discounted that there were 609 dollars in new taxes.
In jail and -- discounted.
But as as the -- that that's true but there's also been two point seven trillion dollars in deficit reduction of that would look look at the majority of it was spending cuts I mean that -- I don't I think most people would agree the vast majority of what we've been doing has been spending cuts and and that -- and the folks who voted in November said let's try to make this balance presents I think one for one he's saying let's do two for one or three to one on.
On on spending cuts to revenue.
The hope among some on the center -- things.
People like Tom Coburn and others.
Is that you could somehow have a tax reform.
That would result in new revenues that would come out but that it would not be another tax rate increase.
That you would see -- -- the president is expected proposed cap on us charitable contribution.
And other deductions.
-- will be -- their taxes.
But doing a larger reform package but finally got a ten.
Congress not -- That's not exist or not things may not move quickly they don't and they only have and it sounds like a long time right evidently have six months and that's relatively speaking -- want to.
-- absolutely and you know it's it's important update.
Really did get something done this is the wanted to get something done and I think that what we haven't talked about is that there's little the -- needs to start.
In mandatory spending that's where we need to be -- conversation.
And do it over the long term need to season -- to do -- responsibly but that's really.
Where we are.
-- we need to start to get.
When she says mandatory spending she was talking there -- -- out.
Things like social security and Medicare things that are dialed in and -- And that congress put on auto pilot a long time ago and they just grow as demand for them grow this.
What are used.
Well I think an optimist in me tells says let's look at you know for on tax reform and you have Dave Camp you have.
Senator rockets were being who -- actually very serious about doing something on entire you know tax cut both the corporate side and individual side.
And there's a chance they may have a bill out there.
By August so.
That helps I think in terms of -- you know getting back to a conversation about growth and jobs because I think -- austerity movement isn't necessarily.
We're either party right now wants to be when they're getting job reports that show in the 8080000 jobs created but right and so I think that an opening for both Democrats and Republicans to say okay let's move to the tax cuts.
No -- Likelihood.
How likely is a full year fiscal plan to be asked by this.
-- what's that you.
Probably right here.
But you gotta give me a number of Kenya I'll be slightly.
Slightly more optimistic that he's hedging that you're bats is well we call of this but where there's no hedging on the fact that you guys are -- risk management for us thank you thank -- okay Internet.
That -- do you think that somebody is eavesdropping on you do you do you feel that way well the folks and Mitch McConnell campaign have reason to do that is the FBI.
Is investigating some.
Bugging that may have gone on as they were saying stuff about Ashley Judd.
A little progress that lots -- talk with the state of play on gun control measures today we'll do all that when we come back so you should.
-- -- About twelve.
About these families.
And families all across the country.
We're saying let's make -- a little harder.
For our kids to get -- that.
That was President Obama locked up in Hartford.
Connecticut yesterday as he begins his final push.
Behind gun control legislation that's having kind of outcome -- fun time in the United States congress and this.
It's powered by welcome back now we're gonna talk about that this is very serious matter it's very serious matter that affects all Americans etc.
it's that are about.
You know we can't resist talking about than the the -- -- -- story of the day.
Which is did someone wiretap or eavesdrop or put a listening device.
Into Mitch McConnell campaign offices.
And get some dirt.
And what they were saying about Ashley Judd.
I can't resist that I think I would I not only can -- resist that story I refused resist that story you know us cannot resist that story.
Your friend Mike Emanuel he can't resist either in my right mind.
That's correct Chris definitely yeah I think -- a Texas story of the day.
Yes it is it is so -- -- first question that was how did you enjoy your time with the Internet yesterday.
I love the Internet the Internet has been very very good to me and I would love to come back and talk to the Internet anytime -- have me including this appearance.
Including this will count -- your work release program -- itself.
What what the heck happened down in Kentucky.
Well Jesse Benton who is Mitch McConnell campaign.
Manager tells me that essentially they believe it's Watergate style tactics they believe.
A listening device of some sort was placed in his.
And used to bug McConnell and his team when they were talking about the possibility of when he fourteen campaign opponents including Ashley Judd and so.
You have his team essentially playing clips of judge.
Ashley -- and interviews and that sort of thing talking about her positions are different types of issues such as cap and trade.
Her feelings about.
What her real home is whether it's San Francisco Kentucky or.
Tennessee and so they're going through material essentially trying to figure out if she's the opponent.
How do we take her on and so bottom line is they are talking -- McConnell campaign is talking to the United States attorney in Louisville.
Also talking to the FBI about this I trying to figure out.
Who may have -- it actually placed the bug inside the campaign headquarters.
And now this has been leaked and now it's out everywhere on the Internet for us.
So it is so the transcript of the audio does exist on the Internet don't run away Internet and go look at it right now we'll we'll give you -- chance that this does this is out there right it.
It is out there I've I've heard about an eleven minute conversation in which some might unidentified voices where there.
Essentially trying to plot a strategy in case Ashley Judd is the person.
Try to go after Mitch McConnell -- fourteen we subsequently found out that she decided not to run but.
They are prepared that -- perhaps an A list celebrity was going to take on McConnell and so they're prepared to defend their turf.
Do they say anything -- or sexist or bad or mean or whatever.
-- a suggestion or mention -- that she has battled depression in the past and so there was a reference to that.
Some reference of her being a carpetbagger where she is said in the past that.
Tennessee is her home or when she's the United States -- this -- her home and here she is considering a run for senate in Kentucky and so.
Worth listening to but bottom line McDonald's team is talking of the FBI talking to the United States attorney and and one would think that.
There may be some serious.
Repercussions here for the people who were behind place in this bug Mitch McConnell campaign headquarters in Louisville.
-- would tend to think I might give us a quick -- that we gloss on what's gonna happen with a gun legislation today.
-- gun legislation we are expecting.
The family's from Connecticut who came on Air Force One back with -- presently yesterday.
To be talking to folks about what they believe are common sense steps that could be taken to make sure that another.
Tragedy like we saw Newtown Connecticut doesn't take place and so.
It's been -- here on capitol here.
Listening to different folks some calling for hey we should have a vote of some sort.
Up -- down on on gun legislation.
At some point background checks.
Are being discussed between Joseph -- and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania bipartisan effort to try to get some background checks and -- -- not universal background checks.
So discussions are underway and include the new town families are coming here to make sure that there.
Their children and their story is not forgotten -- Mikey he -- you guys up front -- things we like you and like having you on here quite a lot Specter rather.
I'd have a great that.
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To prevent the killings no matter what what's left axes it's.
It's revealing so you should read it.
All right so I'm Jonathan on -- -- next about a power points would you like some here here they come un American un American they're your parent -- today.
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Maggie Maggie Maggie dead dead dead that is what protesters in Britain.
We're chanting about the death of former prime minister Margaret Thatcher.
And if that is just been the most shocking example of all of the trash talk in all of the nasty stuff that's been said.
About Thatcher over in Britain since her passing it's been pretty intense.
Them and that's not what we do here in the United States we do very differently than that here's your second -- -- Michelle and I carry out work.
Which -- dedicated her life that's what President Obama had to save our our Margaret Thatcher.
It's not true she and Barack Obama could not be more different on almost every subject and every issue for the president say that he's carrying on her work he's trying to undo the kinds of things that she and her ally Ronald Reagan in the United States did.
That's totally different but that's the kind of platitudes this stuff that we say in the United States on a public figure guys they suddenly become -- that's what were used to.
And that's what we do in the United States is we forget about people shortcomings in public life.
What we disagreed with them about it we say nice stuff after the ambassadors -- -- PowerPoint question time.
In Britain they treat their politicians.
Worse than we do here they really beat him up they roughed them up and they run each other if you've ever watched prime minister's questions question time in that in that house broken in the house of parliament.
You see vicious.
Back and forth real fighting real fisticuffs.
And you know maybe it's a little better they if the speaker of the house had to go on the floor.
So don't be too offended when you see -- that are rotten stuff that's being said about -- over in Britain they're just keeping it real that's.
How they do it we just do it differently here in the United States something to remember and now as we like to do every day we want to leave you with the word.
Well I think every country and every time could use somebody -- Principled and Smart and stronger she is I think what we don't quite remember.
In the -- -- recollection's today is how despised she was how widely despised at home and and to some extent here -- little laughter I mean.
She angered everybody in -- country from the Communist.
Union leaders to the upper class -- in her own party which is an easy to do.
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