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Johnson first of all -- explain our view is.
The level -- of the humanitarian crisis in North Korea you've been that you do your organization has tried to help -- the fall how bad is it for the people.
Well it in between 20082010.
An estimated two million people may have died of starvation.
It looks like according the United Nations has been there consistently my group has just visited there and -- and sent some medicine over.
They're very few Americans who go there oddly enough there's no.
Block from our own government on travel like we would to go to Cuba for example.
Americans can go but the north Koreans never invite you they never give you -- visa.
So what we did.
Was we had four North Korean diplomats actually visit Los Angeles to a medical supply warehouse.
To establish our bonafide -- we have a lot of equipment and medical supplies.
But we can't send equipment without a license but medicine and food we may travel we may.
And they then invited me to North Korea I spent a week there.
Of course I spoke to seven other American groups by the which -- church related.
Which you've had a hundred year history each on the Korean Peninsula.
It's a serious problem the estimates of malnutrition in children under ten.
Are wildly different they go from twenty to 60% but even that the low figure that's millions of children.
So it's a serious crisis they're unable.
To sustain their economy because of spending all their money on military.
One thing I -- notice of -- Chinese wisely did not let them modernize their military with.
Weaponry and beyond rifles and -- all about what happens if they don't.
One of the challenges Richard of of getting humanitarian aid.
Into a country and getting it to the people who really need it.
When you're dealing with -- regime that controls everything so tightly can you -- be sure it's going to get to the right people.
Well when we started we said one item which was tropical medicine -- and too too specific hospitals.
-- where I was able to go and speak with the doctors and look at these sheets where they carefully.
Had records but a lot of our colleagues.
-- especially the French group Doctors Without Borders women.
Opened an office and then left and publicly said they had no access.
To the populations they needed to see.
And I asked while I was in North Korea guys that I want to go to rural hospitals and clinics.
Outside of the outside of Pyongyang the capital where our medicine originally went -- and we were denied that.
Approval so I said well we can't work here without reasonable access I understand you may not want.
Thousands of American relief workers.
Traipsing all over your countryside but if we can't ensure our donors that we can.
Deliver the goods and that -- in the right hands and non military hands there's no point in doing this so we did not go back to North Korea after that.
We and -- from more and more of my colleague.
Colleague agencies in the international relief feel went in and then went right back out.
It's just very difficult -- United Nations same thing the World Food Program.
Consider shutting down all together and they 25% of north Koreans get food aid.
Through the UN which is paid for by the US Japan and South Korea.
And -- what's your -- impression now.
All of Kim Jong-Il and where -- he really has.
Control -- -- all whether -- his advisors in the military generals who up pulling the strings in North Korea right now.
Well it seems that his aunt and uncle were the regents.
To the throne if you will.
And so the good there's a lot of these people are all in their sixties so they they were children or they were or teenagers.
When the Korean War ended 195360.
Years ago either this is their last hurrah or this kid is very naive.
But the the precursor I don't believe by the way is not the missile launch.
The -- hit something.
The precursors what goes on in the tunnels they've dug under the DMZ.
Which our military knows about and is now.
And if they start hearing -- on -- -- monitors news is that there's activity in these tunnels.
That's when you know we're in big trouble because it.
They they could very easily do something foolish.
So I'm a bit more -- I'm I'm generally a dove on things bad deal with the war and and and death and things like that.
On this one a little more hawkish because I think that regime is going to be hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
With the stuff they've said over the last week or two especially yesterday when -- They told people to clear out of South Korea all foreigners.
And then last Friday they told the diplomatic community I heard this directly out from someone who's in the briefing.
That you guys should probably think of getting out -- out or we'll try to protect you as best we can.
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