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We haven't -- Actions.
Down the rhetoric in the sense that.
We haven't seen significant changes as I said in the north in terms of mobilization sort.
Repositioning of forces.
And that is important to note and what that what that.
The rhetoric and an action means I'll -- to the -- analysts to.
And let's have the analysts and the judges weigh in.
Good afternoon I'm James Rosen and -- your -- here on the fox -- we are broadcasting the first time from the beautiful rotunda of the cannon house office building.
Of course we needed a time when North Korea seems to be issuing new threat of some kind every day the most recent -- over the last -- four hours was the closure.
An enormous industrial park -- that sits just a few miles north of the border between the two Koreas and which is jointly operated by them.
But we're still seeing repositioning missiles and some other threatening indications.
In just the -- since Jay Carney the white house Press Secretary from just from you just heard.
Spoke back on April 1.
What to make of North Korea and its threats and a lot of other hotspots around the world here to tell us all about it.
One of the analysts and judges that Jay Carney suggested Wilson doing it we hope on this very program is congressman Ed Royce thank you James Republican of California and chairman.
Of the house foreign affairs committee just most broadly what do you make of all these threats from North Korea the conventional wisdom is they're trying to -- back to the table.
You deviate from that conventional was the will remember that the north Koreans have been able to take a billion dollars in the United States.
In food aid fuel oil and other types of support over the years and they've done it.
Through a periodically threatening the US -- but here's what's different today.
We have a situation where this latest.
Its latest test.
Where the chief scientist.
Was on hand to witness that tests to see the results has nothing confirmed well.
It's my understanding.
That yes chief scientist was there that -- Ryans who followed this very close and logic.
Since you have all the cooperation.
North Korea in terms of the purchase of missiles in terms of the attempts to acquire the ICBM technology.
Why would -- not.
Want to purchases I know I we'll give you one other observation and and that is that since the series.
In the past.
Since the sons Richard.
Have purchased this capability for nuclear weapon and since the north Koreans themselves had built on the banks of the Euphrates and Syria.
-- the weapons program why would they not now be in that process.
Of trying to acquire.
That technology and that's what's most threatening here because the north Koreans are ahead.
Of the running -- at this point.
In terms of having developed nuclear warheads there are now in the process of shrinking them and getting a higher yielding greater seismic event out of that -- And miniature rising them with the goal of putting -- atop the three stage -- -- him.
Do you have any understanding of whether this most recent North Korean nuclear test that was conducted on February 12.
Was powered by plutonium or highly enriched uranium we don't know the answer that because.
Obviously in north Koreans are now running -- program.
What that does does does indeed confirm is that they lied to us.
During the years where we thought we were negotiating with the north Koreans ever since the 94 framework agreement North Korea's been -- every year.
In the two thousands -- 76 party -- We know north now know for sure the North Korea was not only cheating on that but also that -- -- assisting Syria and developing.
-- nuclear weapons capability so.
So what we know in retrospect.
Is that they've been all in the chief defector.
And with the former propagandist.
Chief minister of propaganda.
In North Korea.
After he defected from China told me that this had long been their strategy to obtain this nuclear weapon capability.
That they used all of their foreign exchange reserves.
All their hard currency on this program.
I said I understand two million people starved in the country -- it was one point nine billion.
So the point is that this is where the regime is hitting and instead of understanding this and instead of putting on the types of sanctions and keeping them on.
The Treasury Department that Stuart Levy are undersecretary of treasury slapped on.
On North Korea in 2005.
To bring that economy to its knees and we had that we had the State Department time go win.
Override the Treasury Department.
Get those sanctions lifted get back to the table -- from the terror let's delisted from the -- -- was but most importantly.
-- By taking off the sanctions that have been on the banking system where.
Banks in China had a choice either do business -- the United States -- North Korea they shut down those North Korean accounts they've frozen accounts.
They -- the obvious correct decision time.
And our government our State Department lobbied to get that lifted with the idea of going north Koreans would then negotiate in good faith.
This was a blunder this -- and this is all took place under the second term of the bush admin is that is correct and that is correct because it's been a bipartisan bill.
Whether it was a Republican or democratic administration.
This idea that they were dealing with us in good -- while we were shelling out.
You know it was a major.
Mistake my own reporting along the same time period showed me that there were many officials.
In the State Department and other agencies.
Who understood that there was an illicit HEU highly enriched uranium program.
In the north.
And they in fact confronted the north Koreans about it but my interview with secretary of state Clinton on her first foreign trip.
Which was February of 09 I interviewed her for Fox News in Seoul and confronted her about -- you program because -- confirmation hearings she had said.
It's never been verified.
I know that there's a debate in the intelligence community etc.
do you -- some of this at that secretary of state Clinton's doorstep in the sense that she was slow to grasp the enormity of BTU issue.
There was a tremendous -- it.
But I think that mental ability was and both administrations but yes I I do think.
And now in retrospect especially.
We see how advanced they are in the program and they dual track oval program it really looks like we we were -- force -- now when you -- make reference to North Korea's.
History of cheating on these various accords and disarmament treaties that -- signed with them and with other countries present in the deals well does that speak.
On the part of the North Korean regime might get asked all the time is Kim -- -- rational.
And my answer is I believe he is rational because the cheating alone suggests not necessarily morality but a certain rationality do you follow.
Yes I think it's worked for him.
Year after year they've gotten away with it every time they've been caught they throw another tantrum.
And wait for another round of aid us what they're they're currently very very.
Let's say exercise in North Korea partly because of the first female president.
Head of state in Korea.
Her own club her own mother was was assassinated by -- -- agent.
And she is talking about human rights in North Korea met -- regime worked up.
Well I think it's high time we talked about he situation because when you have these -- logs and you have these work camps where people never get out.
And you've got 20250000.
Human beings in there -- rotting away.
Regime that treats its own people that way we'll treat its neighbors and other countries that way and.
Time we'd be serious I've got sixty seconds in this segment before we move on to other hot spots what should President Obama and secretary of state -- Be doing about North Korea that they are not presently.
I think he endorsed the types of sanctions that we put in place in 2005.
To absolutely free use the ability of any bank.
To put hard currency that regime.
We know that when they couldn't get the hard -- in the past their missile production line came to a halt -- are very expensive programs to run.
Cut off the illicit activities and also.
But all -- access to currency through the bank -- you're referring to the sanctions replaced on Banco delta Asia right in 2005.
That were later lifted by.
By the -- -- -- don't go anywhere congressman Ed Royce chairman of the house foreign affairs committee Republican of California will be right back with us in the foxhole discussing the civil war in Syria.
And for too bloody years.
US policy has been adrift.
Initially the Obama administration.
So all of a -- as a reformer in their words.
Once the revolt started.
It back to UN diplomacy.
And then bent on Moscow to play a constructive role.
None of this has worked.
Yet even today secretary Kerry talks of a -- coming to the table.
Welcome back to the cannon house office building and the second installment of today's episode of the fox hole until your -- James Rosen.
And what you just heard that scathing indictment of the Obama administration's policy.
During the two years of the Syrian civil war was delivered.
To the US ambassador to Syria Robert Ford during a recent hearing back on March 20 of the house foreign affairs committee and chairman of that committee.
Is still with us here in the -- congressman Edwards Republican of California that was -- -- blistering critique.
Have you heard back from the administration.
No I have James I have not heard back but I I -- they're not making the same assessment was -- now.
The -- the very -- charitable enough and what I would think it was and they very naive assessment of the time on the.
Secretary of state -- has made very clear that the US at this time anyway it's not interested in directly.
Arming the rebels.
Despite the calls from.
A number of different quarters that that should happen in fact as a Senator John Kerry and advocated for that.
Do you think we should be arming the rebels threatened.
Well I think the advantage here is that other allies the United States.
Who wants -- green light would like to arm those -- tied to the civil society groups.
Because their concern.
The the more radicalized faction.
That is getting arms from countries like -- Are in fact.
A threat to long term stability for Syria.
But that through working through the coalition forces there.
If they can have the -- You know especially.
To protect those troops up against Syrian tanks they can him an anti tank.
-- hardware -- that kind of hardware.
And it would -- answer for the United States to do -- but it is necessary for United States to lead.
Some extent and give direction on the yellow light business community about ten months ago.
To us instead came over.
And embrace the idea of a coalition after the toppling of those an effort to work.
With the civil society to keep the government.
In all of Syria intact the advantage to that approach of course is that it will prevent.
Iran from sending missiles rockets down through Syria to Hezbollah which threaten Israel.
-- I was in Israel during that war with Hezbollah I was in Haifa when it was being -- and I saw the effect of the 2006.
Back back into the success on the effect.
Of those -- Ronnie and and series.
Rockets at the time.
And the ability to to stop that type -- resupply for Hezbollah.
The fact that Syria Saudi himself has Hezbollah fighters on the ground as well as -- running in.
On the on the ground and that kind of -- of the defeat.
Two Asad which would be real defeat to the regime in Iran.
And would help further undercuts.
The regime and Enron at a time when two thirds of the people told the Gallup polling up for our organization.
They wanted to see a western style.
In Iran this great deal of opposition.
To this the theocratic regime there today but the collapse of the song that would be very important.
Huge strategic setback to Iran and its and its regional ambitions ambassador for stating that you're hearing that the longer this war goes on.
The greater the influence of extremists on the ground in Syria and that is a kind of a paradox for the US that -- -- son's military position worsens.
But he's not KO -- if you will right it creates a kind of that the current conditions for an illness for state.
The foreign fighters are coming in cutter is arming those foreign fighters.
And the goal instead.
Should be to work with our allies you see the French government and others leaving us.
In trying to work with the civil society groups that are in fact indigenous Syrian forces that are made up about.
Amalgam of Kurds and Sunnis and she she -- -- lights who have this vision.
I'll just removing this government I talked to any former minister.
-- a -- minister in a staunch government.
Who today is in Dubai broadcasting into the country telling his all like Brothers it is time.
-- quit following this side he has ruined the country let's work together and it was a coalition to bring about a democratic.
-- it's a huge opportunity right now a couple of things only get too quickly on Syria with you first what is your understanding.
Of the scope.
Of the US training mission.
Of fighters on the ground in countries outside of Syria what is your understanding about what we're doing.
The key goal here is to keep the foreign fighters out right PP the radicals.
Out of the play.
-- Organizations from outside the country coming in because typically that could be an al-Qaeda different.
-- worked with -- former officers.
In the Syrian armed forces who want -- -- to go.
But do you understand that we're doing this right now there's a US training national site somewhere he certainly is involved in the process of trying to separate out.
Over again if those officers those fighters who are Syrian.
And who are committed.
To a unified Syria.
And -- trying to get out of the equation.
Now ours is not the lead role -- us.
France has taken but we are doing some training New -- Alan Ball on the ground we are involved in this process.
President Obama has been saying for.
More than a year now that assaults days are numbered I wanna play for our audience something else the President Obama said back in August 2012 series.
We have been very clear to the outside -- regime but also to.
On the ground.
A red line for us is.
We start saying.
A whole bunch chemical weapons moving around or be -- -- that would change my calculus that would change my question.
So this question of whether or not chemical weapons were used in Syria.
Has risen very recently back in March 19 there was a report on an allegation raised about chemical weapons usage in -- city in a village near a local.
And from some kind of incident that killed 2.5 or more people and injured another 86 -- -- As we sit here today congressman.
Do you have any idea whether chemical weapons were in fact -- I don't feel you listen the president's words.
They were and whether chemical weapons.
We're being moved around.
-- being utilized as for his red line and we know for a fact they're they've been moved around the country.
You know we know for a fact that they've been deployed -- is.
Certain units that are loyal how do we know that to the well from the from the fact that they -- from the sites.
That have taken possession of this type of weapon.
The question you know in terms of knowledge about the use of -- particular.
There went over chemical weapons or biological agent in.
In the theater on our population that really -- -- Resolved.
Right there's a -- investigating team.
That that's still hasn't touched down in serious -- And it's gonna have all kinds of forensic challenges it seems to me when they collide in an area that has been an act of war zone where the end.
The incident in question is alleged to have happened almost a month ago that's -- policy you don't really hold much hope for the results being -- of that investigation.
I think at this point it is it's difficult for them to even gain access to the site.
All right stay -- we're gonna continue our tour about the world's most awful places to be right now.
With congressman Ed Royce Republican of California chairman of the house foreign affairs committee -- -- -- Local.
While the talks were substantive it's.
Quite clear that a significant -- success.
Between the and around so we're consulting with the next step should be.
We continue to believe it's important work.
For diplomatic solution but we're back consulting capitals right now this is the state of play.
The state of play from Patrick -- -- State Department spokesman yesterday's daily press briefing at the State Department.
You're back in the fox hole and James -- broadcasting to you from the cannon house office building.
And are subject now it is -- you may have heard Patrick until make reference to the that's a reference five states that sit on the it's among -- plus one meeting Germany.
That have been trying for the better part of a decade now to negotiate with the wrong.
-- end to the nuclear standoff with the Islamic regime we are back with the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee congressman.
Ed Royce Republican of California -- -- this latest round of nuclear talks.
From which the first round anyway we have heard all kinds of optimistic.
Postmortem and -- just seems to be mortem.
And and end I know what's your view that the running -- simply using these extended talks to this game times they can continue on with their their nuclear.
It enrichment program is the Tribune.
The -- -- is just opened two new.
Uranium operations they just announced their production of yellow cake to new uranium operations -- -- got more production facilities and on top of that.
The IEE it.
These existing facilities are only allowed to go in one day a week.
I think we -- running user has had intended all along to build this up in terms of their capacity.
To where within a week's time.
You know that close enough.
-- -- -- -- As to give the international community -- things accomplished.
Breakaway with the so called.
Red line that the Israeli prime minister mentioned at the UN general assembly.
Getting the bomb per say but it's at a point we're -- you're just about to get the bomb and there's not.
What's -- can be done anymore -- -- the point of undetectable breakout is the point two.
A nuclear weapons capability.
As you just explained where you're right up to that point.
And the inspectors are gone for week or two OK now you can just.
The way it -- in layman's terms that I like to explain this is it's sort of like if somebody's running on the football field with a ball in their hand and there's no one really close to him.
He may be twenty yards short of the of the touchdown.
But it's unmistakable that he's going to get a touchdown that's the breakout capability for nuclear weapons.
I'll -- that the people worried about with -- What should this president be -- again with respect to -- wrong.
But he isn't presently doing.
What we should be doing and what I have legislation to do along with -- Eliot -- my Democrat counterpart who's the ranking member of from the Bronx.
From the Bronx in New York -- and I.
Have legislation that would.
Basically extend the sanctions the right now.
Principally -- You Iran's ability to export petroleum and take that -- all commercial activity so that we basically.
Activity -- -- and at the same time extend to the banking system throughout you.
A prohibition on using dollar denominated or -- -- -- Euro denominated currency so that what you're basically doing.
He is evaporating.
The monetary unit inside the country you're.
You're creating hyper inflation already inflation's very very high in the existing sanctions imagine for a minute.
If what we were doing on patrol -- expanded sanctions were expected.
We are we now have to take us.
Because we're we're being played by the Iraqi Government they've clearly intend to get this capability.
We clearly don't intend.
To have -- have it.
And because of the opposition inside the country the mass unemployment and we ratchet this up the likelihood is.
That elections coming up.
Around the corner you remember what happened the last time they had elections in Iran and the regime stole those elections and the people out there.
This is an -- The way from there the wherewithal.
To have the currency to even pay the generals -- run the country even if the.
Residents signed this into law.
In the next half hour.
It wouldn't take effect seems to me in time to impact the elections -- -- -- the reception that those elections -- recorded by the people -- would impact the economy just the knowledge.
That was coming.
Remember we're already dealing with the severe inflation.
Soon here on -- -- currency devaluation and end all unemployment all kinds of serious problems.
What I've heard is that often we came in implement some sort of sanctions regime of the country like Iran right but.
Don't always -- -- It's just we -- that regime and so for example a country like China.
Might not might vote on the UN Security Council one way but then once the chips are down in a different ways that.
-- understands what the former undersecretary.
Of the treasury Stuart -- be impressed upon me that the important point was this point.
Respect to what he did -- Banco delta issue when he sanction North -- in 2005.
You give the banking system internationally choice that choice is -- part of dealing with the United States we -- part.
Solely with the North Korea or Iran universally.
And given that choice make.
-- -- on the we don't want to do business.
At the expense of losing access they can't afford to lose access to the US for.
-- -- that economic activity.
That's what we need to put in this sanctions.
So yes that's.
-- these programs.
Of the of the currency they need to two to continue to exist I -- I -- -- hit two more questions with you we've only got about ninety seconds.
First up on Iran.
We -- periodically that the Obama administration has undertaken some kind of back channel negotiations directly with the Iranians -- things that affect.
Turning to them.
These negotiations like these negotiations with the north Koreans and this year -- We have a certain I -- in the West End.
Never -- Use the desired look and see how -- happened to you know many that I have I have to decide it's not know what discussions are going on.
I do know that sanctions worked on South Africa and gave up a bomb.
And I know that if the types of sanctions we're talking about are deployed.
Especially in a country where two thirds of the population already.
Want -- western style democracy don't want to be there right the Ayatollah.
That environment that's where the pressure point exist and it's time we quit kidding ourselves and it's time that we applied the pressure to.
Last question is not on the wrong but it's something -- -- -- on my Twitter -- all the time and I put it secretary Kerry would -- put it to you.
Why have we not heard from the Ben Ghazi survivors will we ever hear from the survivors of that attack.
Like I talk -- one of the father's father survivors.
I don't know the answer to that at this point in time.
You don't know why we haven't heard from them -- but at this point this point we haven't heard from.
That survived is there is there but I don't I offer us your I offered the opportunity.
To right so I'm just letting -- -- okay.
Congressman Ed Royce.
The chairman of the house foreign affairs committee Republican of California thanks for visiting -- -- and honored by you coming here.
Appreciated that'll do it we'll -- in two weeks thanks so much for joining from the -- and James Rosen.
Have a great --
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