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But -- O'Neill Brosius -- written a book.
-- lawyer professors liberal and why -- conservatives care.
You are professing yourself I -- University of British Columbia you've -- it.
Universally California and no Harvard before joining the university British Columbia frankly I would just as saying -- culture shock I would think right after Harvard and a yeah it's a big switch Vancouver for a nice though very beautiful what made you decide to write a book on whether professors -- live ruler now an amendment -- -- so they are but regularly -- a moment why this particular.
Course of writing.
-- what first got into this when I was teaching at Harvard and it was a big controversy.
Because then president Summers out of Harvard Larry Summers.
Made some my -- and remarks about.
But the role of innate ability we saw as the -- and ability and explaining why there were more women and the highest reaches the end of a math and science.
There's big big debate about this subject controversy and part of the faculty and and outside the university there were lots of folks who sent -- the fact that you can even raise this issue on campus means that political correctness is kind of running amok.
And at the same time David Horowitz that prominent concern -- from California.
Was -- -- mounting a campaign for what he called -- an academic bill of rights which in his he was designed to protect.
I students against political indoctrination off campus and yet I saw this going on -- -- is really interesting I mean so there are two questions that I want to in our professors actually liberal and and and why -- conservatives upset about releasing the liberal user educated and -- -- cigars are liberally -- stuff they've they've been in the world they they read books say.
You know but is that part of the answer.
Well we're like just being silly guys and one of the things that I've noticed as I've been searching this topic is that -- -- got their pet theory.
People in higher education -- -- pet -- and people outside -- -- -- the Panthers and and I would say that's that's you know one of the theories you know education makes you more liberal especially those who brought her world view and so on.
On and there's.
A modicum of evidence about but tablet and not nearly as much as as you might imagine.
On to for a long time social scientists thought that that people who went to college wound up having more liberal views on a Friday branches and there was some evidence to suggest that was right I'm more recent studies however suggest that that's really not right.
I'm in fact people who are going to college getting bachelor's degrees arm are typically -- more liberal to begin with and there's not much evidence that staying in school mixing liberal so it is hypothesis is -- plausible uninteresting and makes those of us.
On the left who educate so why aren't why are -- -- you have this is the numbers I think over as fifty select 51%.
The professors are liberal about 50% are Democrats are out of the mainland about doing now that's right that's right although professors are Democrats do tend to be -- a fairly liberal bunch of -- less radical than conservative critics make -- -- to be but a fairly liberal bunch.
Not yet -- that's right but if -- good economic schools as you point out it's good to other kinds of school if it is not a -- liberal arts education him.
-- -- schools you're gonna get economists tend to be conservative.
So -- and if you're -- little Wharton school Republican find more conservative Sharon was definitely a lot of variation across across fields and and across types of schools that's right and generally speaking social sciences the humanities at the most liberal and -- get into more applied feels like like -- -- -- mentioned -- -- -- -- conservatives and -- also differences -- types -- -- -- liberal -- -- -- -- -- -- to -- -- left -- And you know regional colleges universities and be more conservative but nevertheless looking at looking at a nationally.
The professor doesn't fully and it really was a visit of wind but I would note is that -- it.
Nor is it wrong that there's 51% Democrats the number of -- -- you claim.
Lean democratic right right and then you have the people who are you know conservative and out of proportion of course a general population you -- -- Well the argument of the book is not whether it's right or wrong and ended the books -- trying to explain that that the phenomenon.
-- you know I think that that that is the best way to think about this is in terms of how people are reacting to it.
Armed and I think that there's a perception out there that higher education isn't just liberal but somehow bias.
I'll get out of that is that you know students are not getting a fair education they're not exposed to both sides of the issue at and I think that perception has real consequences.
You know one of those consequences is that you know in a lot of states.
Texas for example North Carolina Florida.
Braced on efforts to defund public higher education and also to cut back on programs of at a perceived to be particularly left leaning.
And you know this is at a time land colleges universities are really one of the few bright spots -- the American economy places where he'll be an entry for -- and and where there's a lot of input -- in terms of -- technological spill -- and -- So I think -- that perception is problematic but is it okay so.
To -- -- quota system.
Oh I think -- be a terrible idea correct yeah and -- -- -- -- -- -- -- the and one of the reasons we have tenured professors -- to you to preserve academic freedom rights of people who have pressured.
Into taking positions.
In accordance with whatever the administration -- -- and administrators tend to be less liberal -- correct so.
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How professors think about the role that they're politics should play in their teaching and the majority think look -- you know either -- -- not.
Introduced my politics in the classroom or if I do talk about politics and make sure it you know take have -- -- opened -- to secure good especially your job is to.
Question everything and not.
To come with always have conclusions that are not based on evidence and actually -- -- -- Yeah I think that's right I mean I I will say that there are pockets -- -- -- where some professors can violate this norm that says you shouldn't let your politics and treating him in a classroom work and and research on but I think those pockets -- -- -- -- you know not as large as some fear aluminum with a ward Churchill would you say conservatives and drove him out.
And -- I think the evidence this is pretty strong that that's precisely what happened.
Why did he deserve what he got me being the well I don't know I'm not not got us I think of the -- -- you know I'm I'm I'm just trying to answer a question of tonight's big question why don't have electricity decisions think -- professors are radical use.
Well it's true that that he outs students and I think -- -- -- -- I would say that most professors think they're the most -- thing depresses her radical.
I think that's not that's not the case but debit and there's a perception that that that professors lethal and is ready to find radical -- fine left but the key is that they're -- -- infusing -- students with a so what.
Why is there's so much.
Liberalism yeah among the politics of death for -- -- excited for this book suggests it's it's not.
It's not cotton and ability.
It's not education and it's not discrimination against conservatives who want an Irish station and -- -- that I -- basically suggests that what happens is that.
But 'cause the professor has been liberal for so long it's got a reputation as a liberal field as if you're Smart young conservative student you think yourself -- -- -- -- -- -- -- not.
-- Smart -- liberals didn't you think yourself yeah I could see myself possibly becoming messy thing it is self perpetuating itself perpetuating -- mostly self selection and that's what the evidence and that's the only reason why I -- -- -- -- -- -- batteries and any other factors that I mentioned -- can contribute some but I I think that's the -- -- and the bulk of it and -- that the question of you know whether some questions and answers -- not.
But one of the things that it possibly can be done until it diversified the -- -- professorial in terms of politics.
I think I interest and we would be to get conservative so stop criticizing.
Because guilt if your young conservative and you brought up on a rhetoric that says -- professorship bat out of to brainwash people this is a -- occupation and -- the last thing you're going to become faster so I think -- the right really wanted to diversified academy politically it would probably -- obviously desire not ironic then that the right by going after professors are being too liberal.
In fact causing a lack of conservatives going into in the first place at least contributing to and I've often helping to -- so I think they can create a very thing they're criticized that's right.
How do you.
Judge whether somebody is infusing ideology into their class I mean he of course is for example on marxism sure they're not gonna have a conservative -- that -- -- directly yet I mean I mentioned before that I think there are pockets of the academy where where -- the norm against keeping your politics out here teaching.
You know what where that doesn't prevail and and I think and it's some you know.
-- of the social sciences humanities.
Not even if -- professional sometimes the content of this field is -- left leaning that even if you're trying to teach in -- neutral way.
It's still gonna end up being you know fairly left -- -- on the other hand there are plenty of -- schools of business where.
Nothing's been -- factually from the economic right what.
To deliver that I do you liberals complaining about there being too many conservatives I've been is -- are there any other ways though you can we could even up to score.
Besides having the right lay off criticizing academia.
You know this is a good question I mean I think that ultimately it's got to be about you know perceptions on the part of the right about what kinds of fields that they'd like to go into.
One of the things that I did who spoke with a colleague Russell Simmons of George Mason University was a survey of people's -- perceptions of of professors.
And we found pretty remarkable differences between Republicans and Democrats in terms of how much trustees they thought.
And there was -- to being a professor so Democrats thought 3% to stop.
Republicans not so much so you know if you're if -- Republican and -- you've got you know very bright child you know do you want them becoming the professor and if the -- -- -- I think that that's certainly keeps keeps that keeps the -- -- your liberal Democrat -- have you worked to keep your own views -- -- both your books.
And your classroom DF -- Is that an effort Peter didn't.
I'm I wouldn't say that it's that it's not an effort I would say that on its discipline out of being professional thing -- -- a -- trying to be neutral trying to weigh the evidence on both sides it was tough with this book this a book in which.
Everyone's got an opinion and and -- And so on but but -- -- -- -- you try -- the book is called a -- or professors liberal and -- conservatives care at Harvard University Press not a bad press -- and I'm presuming thank you.
And it's and Neil -- you're teaching it.
The in the British Columbia University British Columbia.
Big course -- Not an overwhelming correspondent we're where we're where we're such university committed to teaching that we that's what we had a lot recently eleven the most angry image of being here thanks -- -- -- -- very --
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