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Was Joseph -- the senator from the 35 state of West Virginia.
This is power play and high and -- -- -- Now what senator mansion was talking to reporters about was he just left Harry Reid's office -- -- and you majority leader in the US senate if he was saying that.
Gun owners and Second Amendment enthusiasts have to just trust him.
That they will be very adamant about protecting the rights of law abiding gun owners.
Win they are crafting a deal to expanded background checks but that did that level of trust me may not be there.
And the level of acceptance among liberals who were looking for something much more aggressive out of a gun control package may not be there either.
But it may also be.
Plan from senator Manchin and Republican Pat -- from Pennsylvania may be that only hope of getting something through on the issue this session.
We'll talk about that today because it's in the news yes -- and is we'll talk and also because it happens intimate -- -- Internet.
We will also talk about the president's budget rollout today.
It's not going over great but it's out there and the process continues we will have -- super duper Angel who discussed that.
Then -- also talk.
To a Republican congressman a rather clarity Republican congressman Tom -- from Oklahoma will be with us we will do all of that today we will do all of that today but you know we should begin we should begin with excellence don't you think.
I always think.
And that's why we are happy to say that Susan -- here she is the chief congressional correspondent for the Washington examiner yes she is also follow global.
On Twitter at -- -- -- But she's also just good and Smart and has a good ability to cut through.
The fertilizer that is liberally spread over congressional.
According welcome city.
Great to be there OK so is there going to be gun legislation.
I think so and what's interesting about this is that even before the mansion deal that you just talked about team to four.
Yesterday it really seem like they're sort of tipping point beach where you're at least going to get debate on the bill C.
For awhile there we thought we learning that a move to talk about background checks in the senate floor because there were so many Republicans who -- opposed to the idea -- that they could meet that important sixty vote.
Threshold but how do you filibuster -- something that isn't enough.
Not yet there's there's no bills are you feel about it like let's move to debate happens all the time for visit the -- -- that could have been -- -- it just -- -- so.
As of yesterday when we started going around talking -- Republican this seem like.
You know John McCain leading the charge -- the Sunday talk shows people like Susan Collins Johnny Isaacson Georgia.
And -- Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire I think we need to at least talk about this in other words that's code word for we're not gonna filibuster moving the -- the floor.
Once the bill comes to the floor and an assault sounds like procedural but it is it's significant in how I think it's how things get done.
And then as can be tacked on to make the entire bill more palatable to ease its passage and that's the path it's on right now doesn't guarantee that a final bill over we'll ever ask.
It improves its chances greatly -- -- cruises has -- million voted on yes that's -- chance any at any mansion compromise that we were just talking about.
Is important because that may facilitate the eventual sixty -- -- -- -- for a final vote so what is in this -- -- it's it's basically saying look every.
-- worry about these background checks for number of reasons.
There are a lot of pro gun it gun owners who feared that they won't be able to save five purchase firearms for a family member state by their child -- Gun for protection.
They're adults out there whatever our hunters who wanted -- -- -- exchange firearms that they will now have to subject these.
The recipients to background checks as -- complicate things well.
In it mentions ever agreement that he struck -- -- Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.
This would make it so that.
Various people were exempted close family members and hunters.
I'll -- countries would not be subjected to the same background check rules licensed English and well hot certain that hunters would not have to worry about standing over you know you -- -- -- to.
All let's get you working leg and -- if you're hunting guide -- -- Where you're kind of West Virginia I think the folks there are gonna feel about background checks and no no no this would not -- -- mention is really perfect person -- working -- -- blue is the way I.
If you're -- acting on a website that has ads on -- If you are at a gun show and yes we know that licensed gun dealers already have to perform background checks and they go to gun -- but it's -- private citizens go to -- -- anytime there's a comer.
-- auspices yes and -- friends or family excludes the types of people.
Your -- in fact that if you wanna do if you leave your neighbor wanted to get rid of it shotgun and you wanted to trade in your well yes.
You could do would decriminalize that.
It is so these this would.
Exclude and that was what this does is the gun -- under the gun show loophole that ambulance and complaining about over the years.
That is considered would be considered commercial.
Could you were closing -- -- -- all of us.
Under the auspices of a commercial enterprise which is the gun show itself even if you're not -- licensed if any thing that's important about mentions.
Compromise is how it deals with the idea the creation of a national registry that -- people who really feared that if we infuse creative background check system and I.
That this wouldn't be another part that a lot of Republicans don't agree with even the more moderate ones like Susan Collins of Maine says that she really doesn't sports -- -- -- -- that the mansion.
Abandoned government front it would -- in language to keep the government -- creating a gun registry which under the language currently written -- senator Reid's bill which is going to the floor which will be to bill going to the floor that's not in there so they want -- and make -- gun registry doesn't become part of the conversation here that there's.
-- -- -- that prevents that from happening you need gotten already get enough Republicans to -- build -- some kind of final passage so.
We took another step toward passage of gun bill today it's not a guarantee that.
Compared to -- things were over the weekend things are looking a lot more likely for a background check -- at this point.
So you think we -- we think we'll have a vote.
-- -- early we could have what they called a cloture vote as early as today that's only if everybody grease to -- don't think you're gonna have a lot of the Republicans such as Ted Cruz and and -- -- others agreeing to move this bill right now so I had a feeling it may not happen till tomorrow.
And then there's always a possibility that Republicans will do the real -- filibuster and get out there and talk and talk the talk of a Rand -- did.
Few weeks ago and just all -- -- that's a possibility is well known as rule that out.
But we may see -- vote on I think Thursday at this point.
Obama announces begin debate does is debating and then the single seed -- -- next week.
It's I'm not going to be over fast watch closely if you are in favor of gun -- -- those -- don't control this is when things -- to -- interest -- the season and to -- -- old blind you -- you -- -- yeah you -- run even on a filibuster unlikely looks a little party tonight and don't you worry about that will keep -- in the -- but Susan thank -- for keeping -- in the -- Thanks.
OK guys are gonna take a quick break when we come back our panel is waiting in the wings to tell you truths.
About what's going out of the president's budget will do that when we come back so stick around.
And that -- President Obama taking a swing if they go from both of them and this is power play now -- the government credit hit the sweet spot which is that place.
On the face of your golf club where everything lines up and the ball fly its true.
It is straight it is long you hit -- sweet -- so.
As president found a sweet spot on budget king.
As -- -- sweet spot for -- beginning for the process of budgeting as he looks for a way to get a full year fiscal plan for the federal government the first.
From what about that.
It's so we're gonna answer that question because that's how we roll.
And how we role is with the continuation of political excellence.
-- team you know her she is a Republican strategist but -- -- a few days include having helped Mitt Romney read a book and and help he's definitely Republican and help other Republicans do Republican -- -- -- okay these things are true.
Welcome back Tony Welch -- been gone you've been away from us the Internet has been without -- He is a former press secretary of the Democratic National Committee and you're probably out helping Democrats do things when you work either.
And others and other people who were brought everybody it is everybody who can.
Okay -- is -- -- festivities that -- -- that's the difference about the private sector work you've got to have that you've got to have the scratch.
OK so here's a question.
And something to consider.
President is looking for a little something he's making I'd call all of -- he's not making sausage she's making something -- Scandal pieces of this -- piece of that it's got some changes to entitlements cuts and tax increases it's got some stimulus spending cuts cuts it's a little bit of everything.
Has it come together there in a delicious.
Not quite -- that he's going to need -- coming together he's -- relating well he's showing some like an entitlement reform.
But I think Republicans are gonna dig in here I mean they've already given conceded 600 billion in taxes in January this is asking for an additional 508 billion.
And I don't think as part of entitlement reform will see but he's gonna wanna die in the senate tonight but I think the house is gonna be ultimately be his problem.
Let's say you -- the house have been -- for a long time and you know to actually bring up the sweet -- call and it feels good yeah.
It it's a wonderful feeling however you can miss the sweet spot and win.
Right and the reason for that is.
Your -- your opponents are hitting the -- -- is open and so there's there's a match what could have yet to the president does release this budget in a context in that context it is.
And it shows I'm willing to compromise in and what's given to that not only that he didn't -- bootleg.
There's cuts to social security and Medicaid.
And where were and here's and the test is this if you've got Democrats protesting the White House.
It's a pretty good sign that you moved toward Republicans the challenge now listen to this but it is a budget and a -- bright are you will not play ball.
-- and so now that the thing about.
And I hate to do this you but it's necessary for you -- understand the crass politics of this the policy that's included that that the leg -- president.
Path shown is something called -- -- the -- -- change CPI deaths and so.
But change CPI does is it changes the formula by which the federal government estimates.
Increases in the cost of Lebanon.
-- counting for consumer dynamism that is if one object one item becomes.
More expensive you won't buy less of it and substituted with a less expensive thing improbable.
But it goes across the -- -- it's not just for Social Security this has been mostly discussed as a Social Security thing.
But this will result in more people paying higher tax that would result in more people pay higher taxes this would result in changes to all kinds of programs all kinds of things.
Because what it cost to be alive.
And there I think it is -- throughout -- that despite the high cost of living it remains popular but did whatever the cost of living that the for everything this goes into into this would this is not -- of security proposal right.
I understand that I understand doesn't go far enough and that the Republicans are gonna need -- harmonization of the Medicaid Medicare.
Retirement age of social security and they're gonna any means testing.
I'm not the devil -- in the details I think the -- to get the budget actually look at the numbers and -- from there.
Democrats used to like means testing I thought they like.
And and by the -- Republicans -- -- like this idea that -- CBO did in fact they they have like for what they tried in 1988 right.
In the repeal the nineteen in in 1989 you know who votes with old people right crazy -- and and that told you everything about where this was felt and and and the impact that it had.
And it says that if we're gonna have shared responsibility I think what.
The president's point is this he says.
I'm willing to work with you in good faith in in shared responsibility that isn't all going to be.
In cuts there will be pain across the board and some of that -- is happening to.
The -- that the sequester but some of that -- presents us yes it says I will fund this what taxes as you said during the campaign on the wealthiest Americans.
-- right now who -- that the point here.
And we didn't have here in power plants and industry we have defined deviancy down when it comes to big a big deal a big deal -- basically constitutes.
Full year budget.
That's bring divided government now we're saying.
You can you need a big deal the reason we talk about -- four trillion dollars and in in decreases in increases to future deficits.
Is that it's a that's a -- -- proposal in which I need more spending and borrowing now.
But we will give you changes later that's going to be hard no matter where the president really ends up on -- that's going to be hard to sell the Republican threat.
Yeah I I was watching senator Graham on meet the press and the idea of the grand bargain was is just I think slim to none though.
I do you think the president this is about it could be a big -- here for him.
Between the budget and immigration reform and then -- keystone pipeline and create more jobs in the place.
So I do think it's -- -- interest to talk we need it balanced budget you can't run a household that sounds budget you can run a country so.
We'll see what they do.
There's that there's this challenge -- you get the dismal job numbers -- a replica.
And it's very clear that we are clear and all of our of our economic problems.
And -- for all the interest in the balance budget.
If they're -- to -- -- interest in a stronger economy -- and we're if we're not -- it yet then -- what we're doing is we're putting the wrong discussion first.
And yet it just so happens that just about every comes looking at that says.
We know which we need the steady job growth over time and it gets down 88000 jobs or or something along those lines that's not good enough.
Right so I -- and pivot quickly.
I wanna I wanna ask you.
About that the two big ones immigration and guns that are pending senate.
Basically what's happening now is this is ducks in a row week the next week and this week sort of given over to lining up.
A gun gun legislation in the senate next week will be lining up immigration legislation in the senate.
We try to get things into place.
We have some ambitious timetables on the days.
Who -- -- -- do you foresee.
Starting with guns used for seek reelection in the short term like say before the summer recess.
Well we know that senator Reid's gonna try to push a -- tomorrow night.
And I think -- be -- his -- this to me and me -- bill today I.
And what is it a background checks and I don't think you're gonna get a comprehensive gun.
Bill but I do you think -- -- something out I think something has to be part that you have sandy hook parents on the held today I hope somebody's listening.
I personally do for what.
-- type that can control background checks I think it's important that.
At -- and well you don't you know it's what I think I've read the argument saying it's all about the mental health and it's about backing up your guns properly -- -- Played San Diego.
Having expanded background checks would not prevent a -- from taking his mother's done.
You're correct -- maybe she -- about the first place means so I I just don't know -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- My question is what happens win and and this has been my frustration I think of my spleen has spent it here.
If you want to have memorial legislation it ought to address the issue no no no no.
Couldn't out of the blue -- you know.
It got to have moved.
If you want to have memorial I think the trick and that phrase right is the definition of legislation if you want to respond.
To an event token you have to move the ball where you can move the ball OK and -- so you can respond to but I think a lot of people.
The second moment the vast majority of Americans would say let's limit the size -- Because you can make an argument you will kill fewer people that you have fewer bullets what what -- you think about gun control you can say that materially might -- had an effect background checks would not.
But -- all they can get now this background checks with just frankly something that should happen to your reporting your when he accidentally been aware of the bill that the gun show loophole that you can buy it from that we've been aware of that and people have been killed by that and in that sense needlessly.
The gun laws we have have stopped a lot of crimes but Chris.
There are arguments for and action.
And there's arguments for -- reasonable action and I think I hope we can move this to the arguments for reasonable -- I think it has a lot more stuff that they would have made it all they would have huge directly to sandy -- related stuff not all of our legislation -- -- -- Terri Schiavo.
Well there -- those who.
Right now on immigration the question is.
Leahy presidents senator pat Leahy he leads the Judiciary Committee.
President Obama and others say.
Go go go this thing the longer it sits on the shelf it's gonna spoil -- it once we get an agreement from the eight we got to just we've got to spread out this morning from Marco Rubio and others where you know.
We have to have a lot of hearings we have to have a lot of stuff because if we -- -- conservatives are going to freak out.
Abandons the legislation and then the thing goes a -- I don't think that's quite the case you have the chamber of commerce and AFL CIO partnering up in the gang of -- -- go.
So I do you think that the border security's going to be important guest worker program he's going to be critical to getting Republicans on an honest but I.
I do think you could get movement earlier rather than later.
You've been cut.
What do you think.
Yeah I've I've been watching the reasons this might take -- all the way into summer and there.
Aren't a lot of convincing arguments that -- definitely -- I just think that this has been discussed it's been discussed for decades not just now.
Give different players now they're involved and I think we need we say what we may need more this that that sounds like the more more stalling tactic I think.
It's been discussed this what to what your job is is to not behind closed doors your job is to negotiate with the other side to come -- with.
But over the Atlantic comes and we saw this on the health care law we saw this on all these things if you don't.
Have a lot of hearings and people don't feel like I mean it's usually -- I'm -- this legislation he'd like thousand pages it'll be sure she'll be annoyed.
If you don't -- if if -- -- not sunlight on it and people don't feel like the city that needs to be debate and all that stuff right I guess I guess I'm saying there's this balance of he's -- an understanding that you can't have and you won't have a 100% consensus.
But that this sounds more like an -- And I'm not necessarily sure -- have occurred my prediction that's what this comes across as an because we can be led here's what we wanna do we'll explain it.
You've had a chance to talk about it but.
-- -- -- go on us leaders live -- right now who gets the blame by the way.
We're would be the Republican.
Well that's it -- yeah yeah we know -- and -- that.
But now my question is so.
If -- Marco Rubio at what point does.
This -- been a risky play for him.
Is only sixteen presidential ambitions his status in the part of -- the same time he's taking on an issue that your party has really -- look at them.
Yeah bad self deportation.
And there is nothing nothing about it that was not in the OK and that she did not write that.
Can't at what point -- rubio become the fall guy for this if it's not work.
He does become the fall.
I don't think I do you think he's he's tried to lead -- he is a leader on this so it must.
The group that the chamber comes and says -- -- -- but still he's he's -- -- really out there verbally.
-- -- -- -- I think he's so good faith of our best and so even if that fails -- you know I really hope that happens I think he's actually been the -- -- because he doesn't lose the issue.
He doesn't lose that he that he cares about.
The issue so I think he's still fine.
And there are and what it sets up is actually discussion within the Republican party for we still need to do this issue doesn't go away for wife of of good deal Republicans recognize -- There's just article that I mean it's a bit yeah yeah would that unfortunate line and a -- it.
Because there's nobody there and -- more -- still to be written out there guys like red book about the wonderful that's -- view and being with us this I don't think you can make time -- may have been you can even Fredricka.
-- -- a candidate we're gonna take a quick break but we are awaiting the foot -- of congressman Tom -- from Oklahoma will be here when we come back.
-- -- -- The point is.
Our economy is poised for progress as long as Washington doesn't him away.
Frankly the American people deserve better than what we've been saying which.
-- short -- crisis driven decision making quite the reckless across the board spending cuts minority hurting a lot of communities out there.
Cuts than economists predict will cost us hundreds of thousands of jobs during the course of this year.
That was President Obama had some remarks on his budget proposal just delivered earlier this morning in the Rose Garden this is our life.
And Internet we're short on time here but we have excellent gas somebody who can -- you that's Tom Cole is a congressman.
From the great state of Oklahoma congressman real quick but welcome and what's your take away on the president's budget proposal.
Well frankly it's disappointing budget proposal would never ever balances has significant.
Tax increases in the president's got a couple of initiative that regardless of their marriage simply aren't affordable right now.
On the other hand I do want to get a little bit crowded I was pleased to see -- formally put.
James CPI proposal in there and pleased to see and talk about that cuts in long term or -- actually.
In Medicare spending over time for those -- steps in the right direction and actually point the real problem which is entitlement reform so.
Again this is -- going to be where we end up but it's a reasonable start.
What's your outlook you've you've been around long enough to know.
What is your outlook win in terms of the likelihood of really getting a full year fiscal plan for the federal government in place by -- the first.
Well I think it's possible look I think that triggering event here probably the debt ceiling.
You know that they come back in the force in late may.
How we move money around for awhile but probably you're gonna have to have a deal by that first of August -- so.
My guess is there's an opportunity at least for a large agreement sometime between.
The July 4 break in the beginning of August.
Have but that would require you know some big things that required title of reform presidents have gone on record favor that.
That would require.
Probably tax that code reform.
And obviously additional spending restraint and I'm sure the president would argue from revenue as well so I got a lot of moving pieces there.
Always -- congressman we thank -- for moving your pieces and our place today we -- -- have a great -- Baghdad.
Okay Internet -- -- Jonathan Hunt is up next but how about some rapid fire -- points let's do.
Today's -- -- -- it happened at her and they well.
So how much money does the federal government spending by the time it's good to think about that it's good to put it into terms.
It's good to think about it -- how quickly we have come to spend so much.
So here's your first PowerPoint boxers borrowers and Hershey bars 19100.
That's when colonialism in the wars of colonialism were still all the rage and Hershey -- came into being and in 19100 the federal government spent 600 and 28 point six million dollars.
Now -- -- -- about inflation adjusting to make is we're gonna talk about as a percent of GDP that was three point 1%.
Compared to three point 1% of the entire gross domestic product of the United States war.
Eight dollars and 25 cents per American citizen eight dollars and 25 cents fast forward fifty years.
Second PowerPoint Tommy's careers and QB yes it was the McCarthy trials it was the start of the Korean War and she went out the beginning of the month.
Comic -- peanuts with its sad to lose grim countenance.
That in 1950 federal spending was 244 point eight billion dollars.
But if you wanna see how big the leak was it was -- now up to fifteen point 2%.
Of the gross domestic product a lot of Jack.
Dollars per capita up from eight dollars and 25 cents per capita -- before.
So -- PowerPoint data drones in reality TV.
By 28 and -- that's what was going on.
And what was federal spending 3.5 trillion in the president's budget it would be about three point eight almost three point nine trillion dollars 120 -- was 3.5 trillion dollars up to 24%.
Of the gross domestic product.
And how much for individual.
Dollars and 36 cents so it took a 110 years ago from eight the federal government -- eight -- ahead.
Dollars ahead I'd say they beat inflation so -- your power points for today.
Enjoy your time with Jonathan and we'll see you back here to wrong.
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