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Our -- -- is now preparing for a key test vote on the issue of gun control this morning there's two prominent pro gun.
State senators -- they're from programs days I should say they are national senators and they're working to nail -- a bipartisan deal Joseph mansion.
And -- me.
One of them is West Virginia Democrat Joseph -- he became very emotional during a meeting and who wouldn't with the sandy hook families watch some of us.
And I appreciate you we're protecting the rights law Martin -- an existing network.
Trying to prevent.
Small rivers and we're -- capable.
And a dad and -- grandfather.
And he was very.
Emotional and -- solid Stanley is there but -- this legislation here's the key question folks.
Would -- do enough to stop tragedies like the ones in Newtown.
Virginia attack a roar up and Tucson all of which had a huge mental health component that we do not hear much about.
In all of this discussion I'm joined now by tapping on who is -- vice president for public policy at the national center for community behavioral health care.
And -- -- -- who is a child psychiatrist gentlemen thank you.
Good to have -- got a lot to get in so wanna get right to it.
Let me start with you check.
He is there anything in this bill that would stop any of those young killers from carrying out what they did.
They are probably only just one of them the Virginia Tech shooting was the only one that would have been caught by a background track none of the other.
Individuals involved in these violent killings would have been triggered in the country -- the current tax system.
They had not been adjudicated to a mental institution yet it's.
Perhaps slightly that they could have used medal haul services and I think that's what's missing from this debate.
Is little discussion about how decimated our medal haul system has become.
And and it at its inability to surf folks like these these killers.
-- you know I can think -- I look at all of that you have to connect the dots I mean we we heard senator Toomey say.
We don't want you know people who are violently mentally disturbed to be able to get their hands on -- then and he feels like that's part of what they're doing in the background check.
But you need to connect the dots you need to save this person is you know has expressed an interest in killing people they need to be on a list.
It's very touchy in terms of all of this let's pull up from -- -- doctor keep tableau who's gonna join us most likely tomorrow wrote an amazing piece this morning that everybody should read.
And he says -- state legislators and public health officials decided that shutting down the state hospitals.
And financially choking community mental health senators.
Nearly to death was okay the seeds of these tragedies.
We're being -- -- -- overview great.
Well you know this is obviously a very complicated issue.
The fact is that only 4% of homicides are committed by people with mental illness.
Well we need to be looking at are specifically the dangerously mentally ill.
And those are people with disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder -- specifically have paranoia.
If you look at the shootings Virginia attack Arora Colorado Newtown.
What they all have a common -- they were all committed by sort of this paranoid loner type and who was had an axe to grind with society and this had been going on for awhile.
We need people to be more aware of this an act before it's too late.
So how do you do that -- caddie -- development a database that a psychologist or psychiatrist his license can say.
I recommend that this person it not be allowed to purchase a gun is out studio.
I think picking up find what doctor said is that what we need to be able -- do is to identify these people earlier and intervene.
-- get them into treatment.
And I think one -- -- issues that doctor apple raised was that there is in a bit in sufficient capacity and community -- -- -- right now.
To identify and treat these people.
And that's why there is a bipartisan.
Kind of effort on Capitol Hill to build community capacity led by senator -- -- -- -- Two reais to provide that critical funding to community -- a -- senators that has been lost.
It should be mentioned you know -- we asked a question yesterday.
In all this discussion is -- any legislation that really directly goes after the mental health piece of this discussion and there isn't.
They've been you know sort of issued these two plans that have surfaced on Capitol Hill from being part of this legislation if they -- -- separated in order to pass it.
After -- what -- you -- would you be in favor of of a database that doctors could register.
You know people who they feel it would not -- -- to a lot of have a gun is that is that a possibility or is there a better way to do it.
Well you know you always have to balance privacy rights with public safety.
But unfortunately I think we're at a point in our society now where we do need some sort of database that red flags.
These people who have a higher potential of violence as.
A field you know psychiatry were not very good at predicting future violence but we do know that people with certain types of disorders have a greater propensity for violence.
-- last thought on this you know because it ended the gentleman that we showed in those pictures and I can -- -- that term loosely but they were you know I'll obviously all mentally disturbed.
Nothing in this new legislation just to book and would would stop anyone of them from walking and if they got a background check.
Would anything pick up their mental history as a as it stands right now.
It wouldn't -- and I think you know the problem is we're not very good at predicting who will be violent.
But but we do know that people.
Experiencing psychosis who aren't treated that's the group we need to target -- in the target them with education.
Some families recognize the signs and symptoms and then the capacity to actually get them and adequate care.
I hope people listening out there to you folks doctor -- thank you very much attacking volley -- thanks for your time as well.
We'll have -- you get -- -- later in the week the.
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