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-- heard yesterday this sort of bombshell.
That having been told for many months even years that the north Koreans.
What -- -- -- a -- from being able to -- rising nuclear -- enough to put it on the -- of a missile which is something that you have to do to be able to fire it.
Tom this suddenly of that classified report was accidentally.
-- -- marked unclassified and we're told that that may be.
Moderate confidence that they can do that.
And I'm John Kerry the senator say again today saying well actually don't believe they can do that whether heck -- We do believe it and let me let me clarify that by my experience in 93 isn't like -- -- like deja Vu all over again in 93 I was in -- working this issue.
And and back then it was -- song Kim Jong-Il.
And Kim Jong-Il was it was just coming getting ready to take over from his father same sort of thing trying to prove to its people -- -- a -- threat and oh by the way.
We're trying to protect you from the bad westerners in the south because we get your best interest at heart.
With that said Jonathan on the military side we waited.
For years to tell the American people back in the nineties and you're just had a Clinton administration official on -- -- could have asked this question.
They made a policy decision to not tell the American people the north Koreans had a weapon of mass destruction and nuclear weapon.
For four years so we knew that the classified level when I was working -- this that they had weapons so my goodness sake we've recognized Jonathan over the past three years.
The blast that they have to the tested are going smaller that tells me that they are trying to miniaturized we've talked about this.
And more importantly -- -- get a weapon had grades -- nuclear weapons don't have to be all that accurate to prove a point so clearly they are credible threat.
And a third piece of this which I hadn't seen the mainstream media pick up on at all.
And one of our biggest moderately -- -- abilities as well as our allies in the south.
And in Japan is electromagnetic pulse you don't even have to hit a target to be effective in taking out the electromagnetic.
If the structure of an adversary could take down the entire electronic backbone of the Japanese and the South Koreans know by the way the North Korea -- don't have one that they have to worry about.
But so are right but if I was a cynic.
-- -- I would I would take a look at this and say well hold on a minute the miniaturized -- thing.
They told us for a long time.
That they can't do it.
They Cheney suddenly.
The leaker -- Paul will not -- it but suddenly a classified report.
Accident accidentally gets them come classified -- they definitely gets ran out on the floor.
Of the house and suddenly they're telling us they can do it I mean I'd.
You don't call me a cynic but I'm looking back at 2003 thinking wait WM -- all over again I mean really I think.
And you know I'm not saying that it's not true.
But I am saying that given what we went through ten years ago we.
As the as citizens and as journalists have a duty -- ask.
Questions -- -- aren't we really know tell me the truth.
-- truth as I understand it and you know I'm not the biggest fan of defense intelligence data that might conflict with them I think they're telling the truth here I think there's internal report from what I've heard.
That indicate that they have been making great progress in miniaturization let's keep in mind that Jonathan for nuclear weapon defusing as the key.
The key is once you put this thing on top you get it up in the air how do you make it blow up when you wanted to blow up that is clearly the technology challenge here's something they've been working now I will say this.
They've had -- -- -- -- reining in government as well as the Russian government present for all of their tests.
So there is clearly cooperation.
And what this cooperation there's likely progress on this saying that and I agree with -- generally with what the that this step back is -- like well.
They're probably not ready to use an operational I would agree with that right thing I would say here Johnson -- I would want them to shoot the missiles I agree to disagree with secretary of state carries -- And fire the missiles that gives us to monetary data on what they can -- cannot do that's a clue.
So I would I would basically say thank you want to shoot the missiles no big deal understand this if you fire something with a nuclear weapon.
Or you do something actually -- a target then there'll be consequences and this is where we need to break.
That the that that that the that that that the the key.
We've always -- the same thing in the past we basically talked bacon don't have a response in this case.
We have to clearly define what that response is going to be and if they do something to cross the line.
You use what's necessary to back him down.
-- I finally kill before I let you go in what is now but defensive capability in this situation we now face what is what is the defensive capability of Japan.
To defend itself South Korea to defend itself and us to defend ourselves and to defend those allies of -- let me.
Let me hit that two pieces conventional forces to north Koreans have any given time thirty days a conventional military fuel weapons that could go south and -- So up by the way sold for the direct -- -- fight Arctic -- -- -- range.
Of the north so that's always a hostage city so that's the conventional side I don't think they'll go that way WMD -- rockets.
What you wanna do Johnson is catch that the missile and -- its boost phase that is -- -- it comes off the North -- -- that's the best time to get it because it's slow.
And I think the -- -- crews can actually get that once it gets up to its its pinnacle.
You -- all bets are off you don't have as good tracking capability and that's where the Japanese are vulnerable as for -- as vulnerable and that's where targets in the south whose honor Carter are preventable so this is where we have to look at.
What the potential it's what the worst case is in plan for that.
At this point -- I don't think as a credible threat again though we cannot.
-- show any deference to them on this so we gotta make it very clear.
Why do you agree with your previous guest I think this is all about posturing it's all about them trying to get more free stuff out of -- a solid show for their people the North Korean people but we cannot for one iota of give this -- some idea that we're not credible or committed to backing down of something bad happens I.
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