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And that is speaker of the house and John Boehner.
And president Barack Obama and they are both human beings who happen to upset the Tea Party movement a good bit.
And this is power play.
Happy Friday Internet Europe lovely series of tubes out there today it's so good to see you.
On this all Adam's apple edition of power play.
And the Tea Party is going to turn four.
On Monday so.
Whither -- go -- Tea Party what will become.
And what did it look like to get here we will talk about that today a few look at short form 1040 EZ.
We will also talk about -- the surprise saying.
Only from eight dearth of any bipartisanship.
That seems to be breaking out in Washington what does this portend for deals on things like.
Immigration a full year fiscal plan will talk about that with our panel and guess what Mike -- He is a senator -- is from Utah he likes jealous and you like him he will be here onset so you have a lot to look forward to you're allowed to look forward to so.
Don't wait to enjoy begin your enjoyment with familiar things that I can tell you -- failure include this is a senior fellow at the center for individual freedom.
Yes he is a senior editor at the American spectator yet as.
He is though a friend of mine and somebody good pleasure good fortune work with the Washington examiner welcome back when thank you Chris -- -- -- OK so.
I remember what I was doing for years ago today.
Which was the same thing as you were trying to figure out how to cover and what to do a -- out.
This -- Tea Party movements that was going to take place because.
On Monday tax day that's when the first round of the demonstrations occurred and it was really something different than we had ever seen.
In American history.
They made it difficult for years for the movement sense then.
But it's definitely had an effect as evidenced by the fact that Mike -- Is -- United States senator.
And who will be with us later so take us through what -- give us some reflections on the Tea Party.
For the Tea Party is had.
Lots more successes -- I think they -- given credit for.
Taken a big PR hit.
That they have not been portrayed very well.
In most of the national media.
But they've accomplished a fair amount electorally -- to keep accomplishing more.
They need to keep.
Learning political skills.
And there's a fine line between being.
And not political enough you've got to.
You know keep your fervor keep your principles but also learn a little bit about -- the game is played and they're getting better at -- And the one very interesting thing that I see out who I'm in Alabama now.
And the tea parties are focused more and more -- state and local issues and having a real effect in the statehouses across the country and I don't think the national media has picked up on.
You know and and that's a big that's a big thing here in this is where the Tea Party revolution inside the Republican Party differs from.
The Obama revolution in the Democratic Party Tea Party people you see.
Coming in and filling all sorts of slots.
On the lower levels of the Republican Party the committee men and the committee women.
The county level the local level populated -- the Republican Party.
And they're they're pushing their way up and when you see the chairman of the Republican National Committee.
Basically doing everything he can't -- -- to those values and talking about those things it's a manifestation of what he -- of what his constituency is.
And it's now heavily.
It it's heavily includes those -- Definitely and then also -- winning primary battles for City Council seats for state legislative seats.
And then end and they have fairly safe Republican seat so once they win those primary -- They get into office they get -- -- off as they develop their political skills and they push local issues deep concern.
To the Tea Party movement and so.
Slowly over time there they they getting into the system.
And they're having some real.
Now one of the difficulties.
That the Tea Party faces is that much like my old dad used to say of christianity.
Anybody can say that they are.
It is not well.
What is it what is it member of the Tea Party or who's a supporter of the Tea Party movement anybody who says they -- Right and it did it's not even like the Republican Party or something -- that's the platform how much the platform agree with this is -- kind of amorphous thing so we've had people ranging from let's say.
George Allen in Virginia claiming some constitutional conservative cred.
All the way out to the the -- -- So.
Where is the center beam of the movement at this.
The center below the movement is pretty much where Ted Cruz in texas' senator Ted Cruz in Texas or microwave -- you're about to have on.
Those are clearly.
-- two leaders sort of intellectual leaders in the US senate that are clearly Tea Party connected.
And they're very constitutional.
-- both of them -- constitutional scholars as a matter of fact.
And that's a big deal for the Tea Party.
And you're gonna see more and more focused on the what is constitutional.
And what is.
What is what the Tea Party says is extra constitutional.
And a lot of those fights are going on again that the state local level but they will move up -- the federal appellate courts -- well.
And you're gonna see you know you're gonna see a lot of battles on things that people haven't even heard of yet because there -- issues.
Locally not -- national like the common core educational standards which is a big fight in Alabama and in several states across the country.
National people aren't paying attention that's a big deal and in state government.
Try as they might those folks and we always talk about -- that the Tea Party movement.
Differs from that capital T capital -- -- concept.
And in many ways Tea Party movement is an outgrowth of the same Goldwater kind of conservative small government conservatism that has been around for a long time.
But they didn't do so hot in twenty.
Twelve with the Republican nominating process Mitt Romney did not -- tri corner hat exactly.
Will -- you think.
Be more successful in 26.
The problem is they have.
They have more than just one.
Potential candidate -- Ronald Reagan came along he was in effect the only top notch for a conservative contender.
What happens here is you've got several people who are clearly conservative and who are probably acceptable to Tea Party supporters.
And they split the conservative vote and if you have.
More of them than you have of these so called moderates.
And then the math favors the moderates because they're splitting.
Fewer and fewer people.
Are splitting -- about absolutely clear here are our gratitude to use and divided we thank you from time for us today thank you Chris appreciate -- Internet.
Compose yourself take a quick break.
Because when we come back there is more excellence raw excellence ahead for you as we talk about these green shoots of bipartisanship that everyone is argument and Washington.
Is it for real and what does it worked and for the -- -- and we'll do that when we come back so stick around.
And those are cherry blossoms gifts to the American people.
From the Chinese but and the Japanese and from the Japanese but they died so they're actually -- -- lost praise and this is power play.
And is bipartisanship.
In Washington just as those cherry trees were right before today's rain -- them into the tidal basin.
That is the assertion coming from many in Washington -- as we see a bipartisan deal to move ahead on at least voting.
On gun control legislation.
As we see all parties involved have produced a budget.
And we see -- gang of eight.
Jets in the sharks.
Is a bipartisan season upon Washington.
Probably enough but it's worth exploring because it's Friday it why not.
And people who can tell us about that.
Are your friend David -- Turkey is former deputy national finance director for the DNC is a democratic strategist it's Smart person and a patriot.
And Dan constant is back welcomed and constant he isn't community is -- communications director for the American action network.
We had your friend -- -- -- here earlier this week.
They are on the right side of things and Dan.
Flack on the hill and you're welcome here.
All right guys show.
I was -- Brian -- this morning and it's pretty pictures out a lot of stuff going on in Washington I said we only because we've defining deviancy down to central points through you know when you haven't had a full year federal budget since 2007.
Like even talking about it now seems pretty remarkable after two very -- -- years two or three very sporadic years.
So the first question is and we'll start.
With you David is it for real.
Well -- -- I think it is for real and well demonstrated.
With Pat Toomey and to mention that West Virginia -- to me out of Pennsylvania if you have a red state of Blue States you have to.
Both top B rated and our -- In.
Ranks -- remembers the true.
On -- came up it was a different between the two of them with 68 votes.
For a movement going gun control and I think given.
-- -- -- Former history in the house.
We now see Peter King moving on a comparable bill in the house.
And hopefully this will take hold on I don't want to say bipartisanship is dead and hopefully it's back on the rise.
Obama but I think we have something where people can take hold I think the conditions.
And the environment have been set for bipartisanship.
With more common sense approach to coming up with common.
-- solutions as Pat -- closes -- come.
Senate bill okay now we know yeah I don't think you've been drinking this morning.
Dan what -- you set.
Well look I think that the country wants Washington to do something.
Yes and it is I don't generally like what they do it the exact time so -- it if this gun control measure is just background checks.
And I think there is a potential for real bipartisan.
Support in a lot of -- stolen sort of a suburban areas.
But you're already seen people on the left.
It very unhappy with the fact that they say this is toothless.
So if they start you don't -- this -- with we've you know the assault weapons or something else along those lines in my in my.
Our points yesterday David I said -- the creeping realization that deadlock.
May continue after mid terms the difficulty of taking the -- of Republican hands.
The difficulty for Republicans to take the senate or even if they take the senate to do it with any sort of ability to move legislation.
This creeping realization do you think this.
Adds to a desire to well if we if we're medical together for the next two years we might as well do something.
I think that is a -- -- and to go to -- point or one of his points on you know look.
You people want solutions and on gun control.
Of the American public want to see this gun control.
Legislation that some gun control legislation -- -- and this is -- know where it was enough.
That Pat -- felt compelled.
To be driven by common sense as opposed to extremism.
Word or and are no dealings.
I'm sure I've heard I want to give senator to meet all credit but it may also be the fact that he represents bucks count me.
And represents suburban Philadelphia and -- other congressional house members that there in the same situation that will find if feasible as soon as soon as a very popular bill.
-- it -- -- -- it's just background check the -- right now we're just right now yeah let's let's Booth analyst Republicans valid only some amendments that we get a settlement because fight back in April but I wanna.
Asked this question again yeah does this portend.
Deals on immigration on the budget on other things that are are looming ahead is this spirit going to carry for so it immigration.
I think is a separate issue and I think there is a real opportunity for a bipartisan.
I movement on this on the budget I think not because I think Washington is now celebrating the fact that there's actually three budgets this year.
Which is a sad thing to be celebrated.
I eat you know -- -- you've got President Obama and senate Democrats putting out budgets that literally never balance ever ever.
So -- -- at the reality will do you think he'll be a full year federal fiscal.
Now I I have no reason things out yourself and that's what say you I -- would disagree with Dan I think you're going to have the conditions are set for immigration.
Reform especially because of the Republicans and -- and Hispanics and on the budget I think you're gonna get the same with the recent meetings with the president.
With him in his budget plan and the compromise on social security and -- CPI among other items.
That you're going to see even Lindsay.
Corcoran others have said -- That's not what we're definitely out here.
Exactly like Leanne Olivia mathematically I'm gonna -- -- represented.
So yeah -- airplane and you say yes -- -- playing an immigration deal it's absolutely possible immigration system I think if they don't they suffer at the polls come 24 team.
-- all right well every bit that's one thing we know that will be for somebody -- suffer the polls when he fourteen and that's why we like politics is because.
Not just losers winners this sports losers that's -- that's how we know that's and we know the system working.
All right guys we thank you for making positive work today.
Okay that Mike -- -- in the house senator from Utah is going to be here in studio three to tell you.
What's going -- -- gun control what's going on with the Tea Party caucus in the senate and all of that good stuff.
So far were you -- And yet some folks back in Washington.
-- article quoting -- idea that they may use.
Political stunts to prevent votes on any of these reforms.
Think about that.
They're not a single vote no on ideas that almost all American support.
They're saying they'll certainly make them -- even prevent any bolts.
All these provisions.
Are saying you're -- another matter.
And that's not right.
And that was President Obama on Monday in Connecticut denouncing denouncing any effort to prevent a vote.
On the gun control legislation in the United States senate and this is power play -- you know who the president was talking about there he was in Connecticut.
Well one of them was definitely senator -- -- a Republican from you -- welcome -- welcome to the big -- thank you bookcase.
Bring us up to speed first you were one of the people who said filibuster.
Eight as yet unformed bill.
Should should be the Republican position.
But it got the sixty votes it needed to move on to discussion so what's the status right now.
-- -- play now is we'll now proceed to the legislation you're right it was a little bit off of the senate voted to proceed.
By vote of more than sixty votes to a bill that was not yet formed.
And but that's where we are so will commence.
Direct debate and discussion on that legislation next week and we'll see where -- OK so on the the -- spectrum of things that are out there.
In terms of amendments the one that -- gotten all the attention is the mansion to -- concept of expanded background check where do you stand on that.
That will essentially become the centerpiece of the new legislation if not the legislation in its entire pretty.
It certainly is not as restrictive.
Not as concerning as some of the other legislation to move through the judiciary committee -- -- -- said.
But I still have some concerns with that it's still something that I can't support.
It moves us in -- direction of the government taking more and more control of the government moving however incrementally in the direction of universal background checks and I think that's a problem.
Now what about the record keeping provisions you've talked very passionately.
About -- subject that anything that results in the end and indeed that the end product.
It's a federal registry of firearms purchases.
To mean mansion -- base there there are there measures says absolutely not only does it not lead to that but it forbids it expressly.
But that provision could become tomorrow's loophole.
We have to remember that you can't really have background checks.
Without some kind of record keeping.
And record keeping ultimately culminates when you digitize it into some sort of database.
Now although the legislation.
That was introduced by senators Toomey and mansion does expressly prohibit the development of eight national registration system.
What I believes that this puts in place.
What will most likely become that unless we stop this process unless we stop this practice saying.
That'd -- government's got to control the government's got to say who gets it done and who doesn't -- every circumstance.
And we're moving in that direction.
You know I wrote earlier this week as sort of a limitation about fact that there was there did seem to be a moment of opportunity -- -- it's that there was a moment where Washington immediately after Newtown was talking about some innovative kinds of solutions.
But really in the matter of just a couple weeks it degenerated into a rehash of basically.
Gun control legislation that we went back in time and instead of going forward.
And I am I right or wrong was there a moment where some Wear something that was more innovative that dealt with mental health the dealt with the culture that dealt with these things might have gone -- besides history.
Thought that -- was in the sense that we were having something of a national discussion about the need to do better it's important to note that this legislation.
Doesn't address that there's nothing in this legislation that anyone can -- Q.
Would have prevented that horrible tragedy.
At sandy hook.
And so what we're looking at his legislation that would however incrementally.
-- restrict the rights of law abiding American citizens which are most Americans.
-- doing little or nothing at all to prevent the kind of tragedy that we saw there.
Right because the guns as we talked about before we -- but this Thursday the weapons used -- Newtown won.
Bought by the killer at all they were his -- he took them he took her life and then he -- so no background check would have effect of that right.
If that's right and -- so those who war group for whatever reason predispose to commit that kind of atrocious act we're gonna find a way to get us.
There's no question that background checks.
May well slow or stop some people from buying guns at some moment.
But that is not the same as saying that it will ultimately stop someone from getting -- -- if that person is the type of person who's inclined to engage in that kind of activity.
Are right now while we've got Greg you wanna ask you about budgetary stuff.
-- in and we -- seeing now.
Sort of flickers of hope.
Depending on your point you know that there could be a full year federal fiscal plan.
That we could actually see for the first time since 2007 at the end of this fiscal year a budget for the next year.
Which would provides certainty for people and sort of -- this -- game as we go from.
Crisis to crisis to crisis.
Are you at all optimistic that we may get to that point by the time we get -- October.
Would love to see us get to that point we need regular order we need to certainty provided by a budget.
Our armed services needed every other aspect of our government -- at the American people the taxpayer -- Hey here's the problem.
-- that that the president and those aligned with him seemed completely bent.
On yet another round of massive tax increase this after we just had a 600 billion -- -- tax increase with the fiscal cliff.
And that after we had a tax increase of about one point two trillion dollars in connection with Obama care.
These are taxes that while purporting to affect only the rich.
Perhaps a spillover effect not just built a spillover effect they're substantially -- -- hard working Americans not the rich we pay for them in terms of increased prices on goods and services diminish wages and unemployment.
-- We as we said before four years ago the idea that likely would be senator from new job there David to the three days before the first tax day Tea Party rallies would have been.
Rather -- thoughts and here you sit so we thank you for being here as we talk about that issue.
We appreciate senator Q okay on the hunt Jonathan Hunt is up next you're gonna do that is you enjoy it I know that you do.
Because -- tweeting -- to that effect.
And we do you have words of wisdom from Charles for you but before we get to that how about some Arab -- would you like to do some -- points while I'm going to do that.
Today's -- points time bandits are today's PowerPoint we've talked about this before if you don't like sequestration for whatever reason you don't like sequestration it's not related to budget cut it's a time machine.
Because it takes us forward to the point where entitlement programs and other what we call in Washington mandatory spending eats up.
More and more.
What we call discretionary spending which is the spending that gets -- every year so it's time travel so here's your first PowerPoint.
Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.
In the reform faith tradition that's what do we say in the words prayer.
-- but who are those -- Well here's some facts for you to -- three point eight trillion dollars.
Of our federal debt or so it's for Social Security.
Medicare and public pensions that's only second to the five point three trillion held by foreign.
Holders it's a lot of money and that's one of the biggest drivers of that debt and it's gonna get bigger and here is and we have to pay those obligations.
To the money that we took from Social Security government terms of security secretary point beggars can't each user's.
Here's something to think about defense and -- defense that so called discretionary spending.
Will decline under the president's budget plan 22%.
By the year 20/20 three.
Meanwhile under the president's -- -- the president's plan much more generous than what do house Republicans propose a security.
Would go up 25% Medicare would go up 27%.
And you see that slice of the pie that politicians actually get to direct gets smaller and smaller and smaller.
So guess what Internet here's your third are the punch line -- you.
At the end if you don't like government by crisis in the short term wait till you get government right government by crisis when you get to the end and discretionary spending is about to finish.
Depending on who's in charge on that day.
You'll either have.
Huge tax increases or crippling cuts to programs including national defense and social safety net so I'm just saying that if you read about that tells somebody that represents -- Washington.
To get something done just putting it out there there's your -- for today.
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