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Well outrage from many Cuban Americans and some Republican lawmakers have to pop singer beyoncé and -- wrap -- husband Jay-Z paid a visit to Cuba.
The past celebrated their fifth wedding anniversary in Havana last week -- of a trip sanctioned by the Treasury Department.
Now under US law Americans can travel to Cuba as tourists but can obtain permission.
Apple academic and cultural exchange purposes.
The visit comes as secretary of state John Kerry considers whether the Communist nation should be taken off the list of state sponsors of terrorism.
A decision on -- expected by the end of this month.
Wall Street Journal columnist Mary Anastasia O'Grady joins me with more.
I'm inclined to ask.
What's the big deal about a couple of celebrities go to Cuba because let's -- this.
From Republican senator Republican -- Jeff -- he says so beyoncé and Jay easier in Cuba fine by me.
Every American has the right to travel that -- the big deal.
-- -- -- -- I'm a little bit surprised that a US senator is recommending.
That Americans break the law.
I mean this is a law that Johnson.
That beyoncé and Jay-Z don't like I can tell you some other laws that I don't like.
And I don't think he's recommending that I break the -- so if he wants the change of off.
I'm fine with that and I think their reasons why you know you can make arguments that.
Activate the law should be changed but I think the outrage is about the law I think -- -- moral issue.
What that that the treasury.
They said it's legal to go that well yeah and that's because you -- here -- if you're privileged person.
You can get in these academic groups that are allowed to go to Cuba so probably technically it's legal but that's -- the average put out the legal stuff on one side give it a moral outrage why should I be morally outraged at -- to go to Q.
Well you know -- is a police state okay it's a police state run by a bunch of old white guys if you'll forgive me.
And that -- many of the people who are in jail.
Our young black people -- -- patent sort of makes you think about for example South Africa.
Now on the case of South Africa we didn't have an embargo but there was a moral outrage about the idea that.
Some people that the government was oppressing.
Major segment of the population.
And I would think that if she agency and -- want to go to Cuba.
They would say to the Cuban government you know what we would like to visit with for example Sonia Gado.
A black woman who is in prison because she spoke out against the regime.
Or one of the rappers who is now in prison right now there's a whole hip -- underground.
Rap scene in Cuba.
That is very disrespectful to the old dictator.
And they are frequently put -- now instead they go to Cuba parade in the streets with the police state.
And basically get on their side of the argument I think that's what really does Q where does something out of this what -- they get out of well Cuba wants to lift the embargo and they want to be taken off the list of state sponsored terrorists now.
This is kind of -- glam tour for them you know to present to the world how -- a normal place they are.
But we have to remember that Cuba provides our -- our.
And medical care to Farc terrorists from Colombia whenever the Farc terrorists want to break from the jungle in Columbia they go to Cuba and relax well.
What's your judgment.
Do you think that this police state is it is in the hands and -- -- attempted to get off the list of terrorist sponsoring nations.
Does it even improve its chances of getting off the list -- inviting these two to Cuba.
Yes it's it's all part of an image make over that that they've been working on for a while the other thing is they want the embargo lifted because they want credit from the World Bank.
The other multilateral.
And from American banks you know -- that -- defaulted on billions of dollars of debt from all over the world.
In the last fifty years no one will lend them money anymore the only country that doesn't have defaulted debt with them.
Is the US and that's why they want to open the credit lines from the US Cole will John Kerry.
Take -- taken off the embargo I don't think he well.
No I know that he well now I think you know given their relationship with the -- -- Their relationship with Farc terrorists.
I think it would be send a very bad signal from the administration and I don't think he'll do it we'll get the decision this month about it by the end of the month yes all right thank you -- --
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