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But the new questions today about North Korea's motives as a nuclear armed state and they come -- that country continues -- -- day celebration.
Have its first leader's birthday and just this weekend secretary see John Kerry said the United States is open to talks with North Korea so long as it begins to abandon.
Its nuclear program.
But there are some -- concerns whether or not Kim -- -- regime has reached the point of no overturn a recent report in the New York Times has this quote other officials have said.
And background interviews that mr.
-- is trying to get North Korea into the same position as Pakistan.
And acknowledged nuclear power that the west has given up hopes and disarming.
Frank Gaffney is president at the Center for Security Policy formally served in their Defense Department during the Reagan administration and just currency when he -- president and the -- finds.
And the author of bomb -- in the history and future.
-- nuclear weapons might have -- me back.
Thank you -- you -- leader Joseph let me start with you see one United's official saying publicly.
That he hopes that North Korea disarmed and there's a denuclearization.
I'm the region overall but yet officials saying in the background that they're really concerned that North Korea is pass the plan -- that's even possible what do you think.
The official position the United States and Japan and South Korea and China is that we have to denuclearization.
The Korean Peninsula.
North Korea must disarm but everybody recognizes that's not gonna happen any time soon.
Clearly North Korea wants to -- win acceptance as a nuclear state that is not going to happen.
United States is never going to recognize North Korea as a nuclear state it's not gonna predict we -- produced it.
Mistakes we made in Pakistan where we look the other way and now Pakistan has over a hundred nuclear weapons.
We know North Korea has it has somewhere between six and eight nuclear weapons we -- never going to let them get to Pakistan's level.
How how frank are we not -- and let -- do that.
Well I don't have a clue.
I'd I don't think Joseph does either and I'm afraid that I would simply insisting that they don't have nuclear weapons isn't a strategy I -- I think we all can hold.
That they will disarm but it's kind of like this idea that the rest of the world will do so to.
It isn't going to happen and my concern is that hope is not a strategy.
We're looking at a world that is four from denuclearization with the notable exception of the United States.
Going in very much the opposite direction every.
Country that we should have to be concerned about.
Is -- they're getting nuclear weapons or modernizing the ones that they do in North Korea is is simply a case in point.
And there's one other place in which I think the parallel to Pakistan is apt.
The north Koreans are likely to follow the Pakistan -- lead and becoming what you might -- nukes are us.
Trying to sell -- -- sort of cash crop if you will bear nuclear technology to still other nations that aspire to go down that road as well.
And the truth of the matter is if you look at what we are doing as we respond.
To this North Korean crisis.
It's clear we're already treating them as a nuclear weapons state not like we did double -- market off his Libya or or Saddam Hussein's Iraq for the.
So does -- -- you to weigh in on what frank just said there may add to the point is well Jennifer Griffin has an inner interest in reporting top of the hour -- doesn't.
She said there -- some questions inside the Pentagon whether or not North Korea even has an accurate map.
The United States so that cases are we actually giving them too much credit too much attention you know what guys -- does the attention that we're giving them.
And the credit we're giving them.
Match the threat.
Well that's an excellent point -- and frankly I think that there's been some hyperventilating about the North Korean nuclear threat.
They do not have a missile that can reach the United States they do not have a warhead that can fit on that missile and would stand at the we -- vibrations and pressures so they're not a direct nuclear threat to -- they do have nuclear weapons.
They could smuggle them out -- the belly of a cargo ship but we we're -- -- someone about panic about this and that feeds into the North Korean game plan so how do you stop them from becoming a nuclear power.
We've seen some very effective techniques applied by Republicans and democratic presidents in the past.
Including the agreed framework agreement of the 1990s.
That stopped the plutonium production stopped North Korea from making the -- of a bomb.
That agreement lasted eight years and it's the reason that North Korea only -- six to eight nuclear weapons now we're not a hundred.
If we hadn't had that agreement they would be you decide to Pakistan by now so even under the agreement collapsed into the Bush Administration.
It stopped them in the process.
-- the facilities deteriorated in the course of those eight years.
Now the key is to stop them from reopening them here's a deal to be made -- they want some things before us I think what I do want to trade that -- keep that plant close.
No more bombs.
And praying that the secretary Kerry essentially said he's planted -- redo talks again now we should mention last year at this time we also sat down from sits and talks in Beijing.
And -- a couple months later that's in the missile tests began so we have seen a pattern to ballot.
But what do you think a graduate Joe's point that we go back a little further in history maybe there is a model to follow.
Well look that we can talk to them until we're blue in the face and have and we can actually closed down some of their facilities.
-- considerable expense by the way in terms of political legitimacy and other kinds of concessions.
And we have the trouble is that despite all that they have six -- or god only knows how many nuclear weapons and they're going to get more they're going to put them on missiles and by the way.
There is a satellite that is circling the earth right now that if it has a nuclear weapon on board.
Could be used to deliver a devastating electromagnetic pulse attack against this country so.
These are things that we can't ignore or pretend -- real simply because they don't fit the construct of the world that I I know Joseph would like to to -- -- and -- type of one without nuclear weapons it isn't so.
It isn't becoming so and pretending it's so does not make us safe and I think the American people are.
Have enough common sense to recognize that's not a formula for their security.
Or for that of other nations that that rely on us for our.
John gave you -- -- that we start with our next statement because it lets have you both back again in the future sir and leave it there I may get to your opponent but I forget.
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