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-- I'm -- comes -- and Clive Stafford Smith founder and director of reprieve which is represented several gitmo detainees.
He's -- -- director of the organizations help secure the release of 65 prisoners from Guantanamo Bay.
Counselor thank you for coming on the program tonight appreciate it very much.
What we know about new documents that show.
That interrogators relied on the evidence to gitmo detainees despite doubts about the veracity of their evidence.
-- -- attempts are very that you're talking about and comments down.
Yes some WikiLeaks -- had revealed some new abuse is apparently right.
There's all sorts of stuff yeah -- down you know we've we've got one of the -- down there in Guantanamo of course is simply rely.
So not charm and -- And you know there was one and I can't talk about some -- business testified that sound -- one individual down that.
And it didn't -- done and over a 160.
In order to get benefits that it -- things like watching pornographic movies you also pitched a flight that.
And yet there's been some shocking shocking things that that -- but it revised -- What's being done about this house is being addressed.
-- identity is being addressed troll.
-- -- the government is still very much relying on -- you're exactly that sort of evidence has cost the church is the people are represented once represented about HE prisoners down that.
Been held based on just this sort of material.
And -- you know -- been we did pick up an enormous number of the wrong people and took him to get back.
Largely because of this there -- a system where we were dropping -- is similar ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Offering 5000 dollars.
Anyone who would turn that circles Taliban's -- -- And that would translate trust here in the US to about a quarter -- illegal.
And as a consequence they just turned in all these people who and everybody and then when they got to get.
Again -- bit yes sir she's relied on these incredibly and reliable people.
Come up with evidence to hold them under and that took an ongoing problem to -- shall have them aren't simply carries.
And -- rages at their people being held with no due process no right to an attorney.
Held indefinitely until the so called war on terror is over a -- declared war that's a concept a war -- terror is a concept.
What what way out is there for these people.
But it's -- that many of the people I represent down their -- but one of them true true release for a long time.
I -- the 166.
Prisoners in Guantanamo HE six have been candidates but -- -- But I -- it's -- -- and in this case it's also about bush.
That means that 62% of the prisoners down there been changes.
But that's still being held open you know I don't know once sang a deal to stop you know any change that they going to be put on trial -- -- that.
This is the records that the problems we're facing down there right now the -- hunger strike business but this time but finally these prisoners incident just totally -- Do you work with -- senator constitutional rights at all.
I've worked with them yeah in fact we -- out that this case against Al Guantanamo Trisha is back in 2002 -- -- -- -- So how many people the -- represented their right now and is there hope of getting more of them released.
I represent sixteen missed the people now com.
And it's very difficult I don't know quite what she is gonna push the Obama administration to release them I don't give an example one guy his name -- -- and he's a British Grossman's.
He's been curious since 2007.
You know he's got a family.
-- my -- cleared cleared in what way.
Well -- -- just by the Bush Administration group found that -- not a threat to anybody.
He's always insisted he's been a student didn't do any opinion America seeing any allegations against him that no evident she didn't and I -- he was kid again about Bremer administration.
And haven't done by six separate intelligence agencies said the CIA FBI and military intelligence payroll agree that he was not a threat to anybody.
But he's still that.
And you know he's there -- no good -- tell you might really encouraged because he witnessed -- involvement.
And torturing people in Bagram air force -- -- the -- -- the British.
The British government wants him back that the tradition -- six doesn't want him back because he's a witness -- prosecution.
What is his name again.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Gosh well -- -- -- represented -- before -- so bright young nurses in that you laugh if you didn't cry out there.
The conflicting eat that Saudi Arabia to go to Pakistan are studying English and computers.
And we didn't buy it before learning that -- and then when he got Pakistan he was swept -- contend that you rest.
Again for -- Acknowledged he had never been dressed -- -- problem.
Certainly taken Bagram and then you know some informants it certainly is well I think our.
Shouldn't -- interrogations.
Would land that.
And yeah expert Saudi we are can -- used to interrogate -- translate to respect him only Arabic.
And the Yemeni guide were using the -- -- which means money and humanity and they've been solid in Shelby.
Interrogate this fourteen year old child about what was left of the -- when you went to Pakistan.
But he threw out there and -- -- and I didn't have any the last he -- I think it is the lesser anywhere in the position pakistanis.
-- interrogate just decided well you must be here you know not -- -- did -- mention that.
So they asked -- -- incorrect Cheap Trick against the last certainly will be delisted the whole series of vegetable -- when they break that down.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- wanted to know about too much as.
And does some two million children learn and the other mistake that.
But he was held -- seven years based on match and that's an illustration.
Of how -- unfortunately it is very sad thing to -- Allen kept.
The people were holding him.
They didn't know it was truly changed and I after mr.
as a bit patronizing and I suggested they might just try getting his production.
And we we don't actually true pretty potent fourteen -- jobs and -- Certain either -- their -- terrorist he never.
-- are we going to Clive Stafford Smith founder director of reprieve which is represented several gitmo detainees how in this country in the United States.
Which prides itself under judicial process and due process.
Can this be happening and specially in an administration that is supposed to be so unlike the Bush Administration.
That in fact set itself up as the alternative to what we had for eight years yeah I'm beside myself trying to understand this.
Well and you're right and I know I sound a bit English and let them come -- -- -- could -- American.
And down and the -- citizenship to un American parent -- depressing about about her and -- should -- -- The first time around then.
It was it was depressing about -- battery is that he's actually applying the same rules exactly the same rules is pushed it and I guess it's just because you know he's hit the right -- he was right that he wanted to bring you -- -- -- but he just hasn't done it.
And certain right now will be ready for the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay is no -- today in 2000 -- -- it was when he took office you know church.
Is it his fault that Guantanamo is not close or is it as I understand it that.
Republicans in congress wouldn't fund the closing and it couldn't be in agreement about where to bring them and had to pay for.
Well you are right term match I think Rick to prop up a bit when he announced that he wants to close it should instead of just during that you establish some convention.
And the Republican and people in congress had no interest in doing.
But good -- wanted to do -- -- interest to them and divisive issue.
To try to score political points.
-- this you know it's very easy for us to criticize that killed sure I was president got messed things up -- about a bit.
The bottom line is if he -- just come at you put it in our neighbors and elsewhere as we would be true -- Do not need congressional support to do it -- and was not forthcoming.
No he didn't need a backlash -- -- directed that he doesn't need it now because congress is now passed these doors.
Saying you know -- can't spend money on transferring composite.
Usually I -- done it unilaterally earlier on and didn't seize the opportunity when he had.
Berry president then edit the fascinating things here is that the American people missed 60% since -- closing Guantanamo about when he took office.
Today sixty dissenters -- American insurance favored keeping an open and that's not because the world has changed.
It's because they've -- -- -- -- circled around the not done what he needed to do well the Republicans attacked.
Do you have hope that your clients will indeed be released at some point any time soon.
But the prisoners but also for the United States because this is -- you know this is black and -- -- around the world.
And when you look at the goodwill that we had brought us to manage not to that horrible crime committed against just.
You know we -- -- -- -- -- better way unfortunately but I but I places like our government.
Are there specific abuses going on there that you can document.
Oh yes various -- I've been 27 times.
But right now what's going on in his state -- this team they they keep changing the euphemisms -- is now called the forcible shuttle extraction team.
Or FCE team.
And that these type which six people who dress up and go straight -- kind of beautiful Garrett Aaron and basically beat the prisoners up on bigger do executive of the title.
And the guy I mentioned tracker are not.
Is currently being -- FCE still in repeat not three times a day.
Just -- asking for medication and stuff and it's no I don't blame individual soldiers aren't doing what -- told.
You know the guy -- the camel right now I mean it is again just kind of have to luck.
He told a lot of my tolerance that -- knows how to treat the prisoners because.
I've got kids -- -- And my -- concert that was probably send the social services around the -- in treating children because you know there were a bit he.
It's torture I think -- -- just refused to prisoners is that it's just for.
-- -- the person's authorizing this news we're.
The adrenalin -- The church okay -- founder and current Canada needs to change you know he's -- beyond him no food -- It's it's very.
You don't think it's beyond him -- above him.
Above his station where the orders are coming from.
Eventually I mean that give you had people who have tried to improve contaminant found that then unfortunately I appreciate about sir yeah you can and you guys.
And you know some can do some of these guys have no experience and Trent and they just make all the sense.
But some of the company.
Well I appreciate your -- bring us up to speed here mr.
Smith thank you for your time tonight appreciate -- talking their audience about that.
Thanks very much Clive Stafford Smith founder director of reprieve.
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