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Welcome to The Journal Editorial Report I'm apology go as we continue to learn more about the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings.
Including their plans to attack New York city's time square.
A clearer picture is emerging of the older brother and apparent ringleader talents aren't -- As a young man who would become increasingly radicalized.
While living in the US something my guest warned years ago.
Was the new face of terrorism in America Mitchell Silber as the former director of intelligence analysis for the new York city police department where he oversaw.
All of terror investigations he's the author of the 2007.
NYPD report radicalization.
In the west the home grown.
Threat that the -- welcome to the program thank you.
So the US officials are describing the contaminants -- and -- having undergone a self radicalization.
What does that.
Mean to you.
I think when they refer to self radicalization -- mean that he wasn't radicalized by some outside group there wasn't some type of ideologue who was physically in Boston leaving him a long.
It's -- concept because what we've seen is that no longer do you need to have a person in place who -- group.
To radicalized somebody.
But rather he can all be through the Internet.
-- -- we called it NYPD he virtual Internet saying there you're report mentions that many of these people that this happens to our unremarkable and being on a remarkable normal lives you wouldn't think of them as potential terrorists -- something happens resist it a process they go through.
What happens it how long that process.
Well at some point they decide to reevaluate their life in their world view -- -- may be having some personal crisis.
Maybe death in the family something that makes him reassess what direction they're going they may not have a strong identity of who they are.
Are they chechnyan or -- -- American but he checks in American.
And they investigate what is their heritage mean whether it's there.
Ethnic heritage related religious heritage and as they go down that road they begin to learn more about Islam.
And unfortunately in the cases that end up turning to violence extremism.
They adopt an extremist interpretation of the relation to the needs some buddies I'm -- mentor somewhere or is there somebody that might deal with -- -- Internet because we have seen cases where this has happened.
Where for example they're dealing with Anwar Al locking the former that now dad.
Yeah actually that's the concept of having an ideologue whose online -- may not be there physically with you.
We saw that very much in the Faisal Shahzad case.
The Times Square bomber from 2010.
Right four and we're still learning more about -- I wouldn't be surprising at some point when the FBI's done looking at their computers they find links to -- warlock you web sites.
We do know from his YouTube pages that -- Fong another extremist you mom following flies Mohammed someone who is in favor of violence against non believers and has said that openly on his web site.
Australian cleric was out of Lebanon but who speaks in English I think that's -- import.
Well these people are it sounds very hard to detect in part because they are operating by themselves because they evolve over time -- What do you do at the NYPD to try to make sure that you could detect these people before.
They actually become violent.
You write all the signals are very faint to detect radicalization it's not something that happens in -- -- way.
So essentially and -- be NYPD try to be creative and creature trip wires and a variety of different places.
Travel overseas for significant penalty pricing says there after what you went to a zone of conflict that was something that required some further scrutiny may be.
Innocent officer would come and check in and find out what that trip was about.
We knew we wanted to better understand the neighborhoods the human geography.
Of New York City to try and figure out.
Or there's certain incubators.
Radicalization is likely happen.
In Madrid bombing case of 2004 the guys radicalized in a barber shop.
The London 77 bombers -- -- radicalized in a bookstore so public places that the NYPD could go to.
And most importantly on line but here's the thing of possibly about this case you had a couple of those trip wires here right -- and overseas trip.
You had an alert by a by the Russians and then once he returned from overseas we know he he should he had.
Postings that sympathize with -- hide.
Why would -- trip -- not have.
Been discovered here in this case you know it's the question I'm asking myself it's -- question that knew we dealt with every day.
-- the NYPD and I think you what we didn't have as a connection of the trip overseas the lead by the Russians.
And then -- -- and -- every turn when the older brother turned how come someone that wasn't monitoring his social media.
To see -- change because change is really the indicator that someone is moving in new direction.
And if -- -- seen those postings on his YouTube page you would see that he'd gone in a different direction.
Since his return so do you think he should have been -- some kind of wiretap or even short of that may -- surveillance by cyber unit within within the Boston -- -- the FBI.
Yeah I think you know for his YouTube page and I looked at a couple days ago it was not something that was -- And it was open to anyone to look at so frankly if it's an open no website.
Anyone could have looked -- and that seems to be one of those basic steps that that should have been done this monitoring.
Of the cyber and it's interesting that monitoring cyber on the counter -- side is also made his transition on the corporate side.
The day we're seeing corporate clients also wanting to monitor social media to detect different types of threats not terrorists not right hostile takeovers -- -- proxy sites OK there's been some controversy with what the NYPD did surveillance some criticism by the Associated Press for example and stores and other saying you know what your your -- -- you're you're you're intruding on ethnic communities -- Muslim communities for their -- How do you respond to that kind of criticism.
You know I think is really unfortunate because -- -- articles were very misinformed.
They actually took different programs and inflated -- and made them seem sinister there.
You know all of the programs that NYPD was involved -- fit into a very rigid legal structure called the -- -- agreement.
Essentially it was almost a mirror image of the federal guidelines that the FB -- is as to -- as well the attorney general guidelines so on what do to using informants.
-- an undercover.
One had to meet certain legal.
And if you do need to legal -- you couldn't open investigation.
If you had an ongoing investigation you no longer review -- legal predicate.
It was my job to revise the highest levels we've got to shut that investigation -- -- there was -- -- oversight internally on this process has been no change in the New York.
In the wake of any criticism from from the courts thank you know that at all thank you being here.
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