Power Play 4/29/2013
Are U.S. Troops Headed for Syria? Fallout from the FAA Furloughs. Plus - Closing Arguments in Philadelphia Abortion Trial.
Apr 29, 2013
Michael Barone, Penny Lee, Jim Pinkerton
Are U.S. Troops Headed for Syria? Fallout from the FAA Furloughs. Plus - Closing Arguments in Philadelphia Abortion Trial.
Apr 29, 2013
Michael Barone, Penny Lee, Jim Pinkerton
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Well I think we're developing contingencies and I think the president along with -- our military leadership.
Is working very hard right now to figure out the best way.
To keep Syria from becoming the fragmented state that could be a home -- haven for terrorists.
That was senator Claire McCaskill she's Democrat from Missouri she was on face the nation -- his television show that CBS has on Sunday mornings.
And this is power play and Chris Farrell and I'm glad to be back with you -- an act.
After some time away with little power plays and a -- I think around.
The 35 state to greatest state of West Virginia and refreshed and ready to discuss all.
Of the political happenings of today which we shall do.
We shall talk about that -- talk about whether what senator McCaskill -- there.
Will US troops or at least US -- Soon be brought to bear on what now looks to be -- -- idol.
Regime in Syria that is using.
Maybe chemical weapons we'll talk about that we'll talk about the as -- trial.
Eight Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of murdering.
Eighties accused of infanticide will get an update on that.
-- -- We'll talk about vote wither thou go west on sequestration the FAA.
-- administrative Democrats anyway flinched on the FAA.
Will more -- be ahead and who wants -- who wants the government reflects on what we will do all of that.
We will do a goodly bit of it with Michael Barone.
Who is of course -- you know.
He is the senior political analyst for the Washington examiner yes he is a resident scholar for the American Enterprise Institute yes.
And he is also -- you.
One of the the artisans I'm not going to go with artisans behind.
The almanac of American politics which you should already have a -- via would be reading Michael welcome.
Well I've never been hailed as an artist.
And everything starts seasonal now your bread is our kids are -- she SLA whatever it is no shoes so why shouldn't you be paid into his -- Who would they call it slow cooked politics slow -- also slowly than we've been cooking it's slow for a long.
Okay let's get some facts from somebody who knows them.
And the person who knows them is Jennifer Griffin.
-- she'll be with us here in a minute to give us all the latest on.
What's going on in Syria what the US military options -- there.
But Michael I want to get your sense of this first.
When we look at what's going -- -- Syria.
Reportedly more than 70000.
And it's you see the regime and remember this is the reason it looks genocide -- ish.
Is that the regime in Syria -- -- family is a religious minority sect -- whites who are.
They're they're Sunni Muslims right well.
Some people call them bluntly they call themselves Muslims some Muslims say they're not -- Even Muslims but if they if they fall into Islam they fall under the city breaks out this year -- I think that's right.
And the majority population of the country Shia and they are killing.
Did killing off this majority.
And reportedly using chemical weapons.
It's the Republicans.
Who hawkish Republicans say impose.
A no flies around.
Like we did in Libya which leads to using air strikes against.
The regime there in Damascus.
Some including some Democrats we heard -- school on -- say we need to think about troops on the ground.
What's gonna happen.
Well I think the you know President Obama is stated back in 2012 I'm not a bluff or he says that use of poison gas in Syria is a red line he said that last year.
Now he's saying well that's just an intelligent assessment we don't know what we're doing -- look.
-- intelligence assessments are assessments are.
They don't have absolute certainty back in 2002.
-- not just George W.
Bush every major intelligence agency all leading political figures thought that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction working hard to make everybody think that he was and indeed I think it would have been reckless for any American leader to assume that he did not.
But the Syrians are not subject to a Freedom of Information Act we don't know these things with a 100% certainty presidents have to act.
On the basis of incomplete and possibly -- erroneous information.
And I think what's happened here is that the president's bluff has been called and he's he's not doing anything here.
Re looking at this in a broader perspective we did intervene in Libya as you mentioned which is not a great strategic value and where all our friends the French and the -- this year.
Syria on the borders of Israel on the border forever they -- this is a more strategically placed.
But I guess that but the gasoline that you put into your investment if you live in Italy would cost a lot more.
If Muammar Qaddafi turned off the -- -- he would let the Italians.
Well but we -- -- -- a fraction particular under president Sarkozy and the British were interest and intervening -- loses and economic interest that there was an economic interest there was a strategic interest on the part of president Sarkozy.
We didn't have you know the fact is that you know this is important it's also important because we -- President Obama has said to the race.
That if they gain nuclear weapons programs that's unacceptable and he'll do something about it.
Well how credible is that.
Well and we've got a situation where it appears the Red Line in Syria has been crossed that we're not taking action it's an unfortunate situation.
Well okay so how about this you wrote a good case.
-- the examiner for Sunday's paper.
Ben -- report revives troubling questions.
This -- got the bad guys -- headaches are still there.
And one could argue.
However the attack was.
Either what was -- for scene or for CNET miss.
However the investigation is gone but haven't -- I think is evidence that these these rebel groups can be very problematic allies for the United States.
Well that's right and you know our whole experience -- -- is that to have an American troops on the ground.
It is full of risk you don't know what's gonna happen when you're involved in military action right.
The end so you know.
Consequently obviously mr.
Obama is facing it very difficult situation in which there is no easy clean and wonderful.
But I think he's made it worse by saying there was a red line and then and then not proceeding.
To do something -- It was good citizens than others on the other side of this are the Iranians and the Russians who are on the other side of this watching what we do here.
And if we're -- if we do not credibly as you say as it relates to -- but you know we have -- we have a bigger geo political fish to fry with Russia.
That continues to test us and continues to see well series we are.
The Israelis are going to be drawing some conclusions here I think one of the conclusions that -- -- is that.
They can't count on the United States take military action against an Iranian nuclear program and the that they might very well -- -- -- themselves.
All right so.
One would think that there is not the well for troops on the ground right.
That appears very clear I mean we have you know President Obama has not wanted to do the no fly zone of the air power.
Sort of thing that we did back in the 1990s under President Clinton hidden in Bosnia and Kosovo at different times.
So you know I can understand an argument for staying out of Syria.
I I think that it's more difficult justified declaring there's a red line and then -- the Red Line has been crossed according to our allies and according to us intelligence.
Assessments is the president says.
Not doing anything about.
It's a little.
-- OK Michael.
Let's let's take a quick break Internet let's collect ourselves because we need to talk about the guys know trial it's been a media story it's been.
A rather remarkable moment.
Talking about the debate about abortion in the United States.
The debate about the way the media covers it and it's all coming to a close as they get ready for closing arguments we're gonna take a quick break when we come back -- will be here.
To give us the latest so stick around.
And that is -- sketch courtroom sketch.
Of the judge.
And that defendants the two defendants in the trial.
-- Philadelphia abortion doctor.
And this is power play and the trial the murder trial of -- guys now doctor.
A former -- Philadelphia who for decades.
Practiced in what prosecutors say was house of horrors.
In Philadelphia is coming to a close closing arguments today and tomorrow is this wraps up so.
How is the landscape changed thereafter.
Who get the latest from Shannon -- we hope here in a minute if -- -- gets back on line.
But Michael Barone has watched this is a media story.
And Michael the interesting thing here is that you know were starting to see.
A shift in focus on the way we talk about abortion.
Then it instead of.
And with this sort of -- say.
People who are opposed to abortion rather than dealing with an -- -- looking for opportunities places that they can get him to change the public discussion and and nudge it a little bit further.
Public opinions have changed about this matter ultrasound and other things have definitely effective.
Public thinking on this is this guy's -- for -- have said it watershed moment.
Well I think it's I think it it may turn out to -- I -- the fact is that.
The press didn't really want to cover that's there was a column written by Kirsten Powers.
Fox News contributor -- believe that we know USA today it Kirsten Powers democratic way.
Didn't she has said that shameful that the press is not paying attention to this.
This raises the question is this the only abortion clinic in the country that's taking third trimester -- delivery -- alive and then killing.
Or are there others it undercuts the abortion rights people who say that laws passed like Virginia's recently -- Regulating abortion clinics and requiring certain medical standards.
The argument has been that well these are just trying to stamp portion.
Considering the unsanitary conditions and this -- -- clinic which apparently was not investigated by Pennsylvania State.
Authorities there -- regulators for seventeen years.
What does Telesis is there are legitimate reason to public health reasons.
To regulate these clinics and some of them can't pass Muster under reasonable public health conditions maybe they shouldn't be operating so.
Yeah I think it's different you know.
I'm old enough to remember when abortion rights people were basically saying -- It's just a little -- you you're exercising a small piece of tissue was like cutting your fingernails.
Club itself so well what science tells us.
-- and is that the baby is the fetus that they'd -- Is not the mother they have different DNA.
You know the fact is that you are indeed something that has potential to be viable human life figure -- something doctor -- medals table that seem to be a -- human life.
And now we're seeing bad conservative activists have got some undercover videos that are rolling out this week that they took.
About some pretty gruesome grizzly basic gruesome and grisly.
Discussions -- took place.
Well in the in the Casey decision 1992 I believe justice O'Connor wrote that.
The Roe vs.
-- is on a collision course with science and what she's referring to is that -- taking babies.
It was -- -- gestation.
Doing heroic measures to save their lives they grow up to be normal children normal adults to contribute -- human beings to America.
Another baby at the same level of gestation.
Has its life and that there's a.
Problem and -- getting increasingly focused when -- weeks.
OK Shannon Bream are you out there.
Yes I am Chris Carlisle can hear me we can hear you we can hear you.
Michael -- and I've been here talking about what the contours.
In the culture around the guys now case have been.
What's happening in the actual case.
We -- -- -- co defendant in the case of this morning the defense argument started for that co defendants just moments ago Jack McMahon.
Who is Herman got announced defense attorney began his -- of the closing arguments.
You'll recall the prosecution took five weeks putting on more than thirty witnesses against Gaza now including former workers at kids and others.
Many of whom have pled guilty to several of the charges against them they're facing significant jail time.
Well when it came time to present the defense.
I've got now the attorney says Evans said the defense -- they didn't put on a single witness they didn't and uneven it character witness to talk about.
-- -- now and anything he may have done positive in this community -- -- -- make that effort.
You'll remember that just a couple of days before a bit offensive asked the judge to throw out all of the case -- -- doctor guys now.
What happened there was that -- the judge did a -- the doctor on three of the first degree murder charges he was facing.
But there are still fight murder charges left.
Dozens of other criminal cases related to not practice issues.
Illegal drugs prescriptions.
Folks and -- -- you were practicing a license Madison.
So while the murder charges are the most important include merit the death penalty if -- -- is convicted on any of those first degree murder charges.
There are and literally hundreds of other charges that he will be facing in addition to -- So today the closing arguments that we'll see how long Jack -- takes he's got -- attorney in this could get to the jury as early as today but we think probably tomorrow press.
Can't bring you -- great help -- have a good day.
And Michael your lawyer her if you have a lot of -- prevalent you have a lot of great.
Which so which better class of people.
The that's a big risky.
Play that if you're you're you're representing somebody for a lawyer to say we're not gonna put on any defense were saying the state didn't make its case and then one minute we're all on these -- -- It's a criminal trial so the -- has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt and I'm assuming that doctors got -- lawyer's gonna argue that there's a reasonable doubt.
In these cases.
That's pretty much what he has to deal with there that the government's weakness that the burden of proof.
Heavy burden of proof that the government hasn't trial.
You'd have to trust your lawyer if you had the death penalty looming out there and that was your situation.
Tough tough our right Michael we trust your insights on politics without reserve without fail we thank you for being with us -- I think you.
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-- -- -- And those people are -- -- furious furious because they pay a lot of money to fly on an airplane.
They weren't being allowed not.
And this is power play and after just a couple of days of lengthy lines at airports.
As security and air traffic control budgets and -- budgets.
An automatic -- automatic increases in federal funding.
That it caused these disruptions just a couple of days of that -- enough to have senate Democrats say that we think about it we should not do that and we should not try to blame Republicans for it and let's move on to something else.
Does is this a harbinger.
More to come out sequestration what does this tell us about how it's going to go.
You know who knows and will probably tell you with your very nice to them.
-- -- -- she's a former senior advisor to senator reaches the president events strategies.
That makes -- -- Democrat.
Who is Smart -- stuff and Jim Pinkerton.
He's a former senior advisor to governor Mike Huckabee yes he is that he is also a Fox News contributor yes he is that but also you have been in and around Republican administrations.
You know how stuff works and you know what happens when people play chicken.
And and in this case Jim if this looks like with the FAA stuff.
This looks like a circumstance where.
If you could think of a group of people other than senior citizens to enrage.
Air travelers are terrible choice to affluent.
More they're more affluent than the population at large.
-- our voters they are influential they are not afraid to pick up the phone they're not afraid to get involved.
So is this you think isolated incident because it dealt with this group of people.
Or do you think this tells us there's more Thomas.
I think it tells you this the sequestration process we'll get -- come with Karros -- the powerful.
And I would I was -- in the Reagan and bush 41 days with the catastrophic health insurance -- -- a tax increase.
I'm a senior citizens -- -- -- another group and especially -- but they're certainly motivated and they vote and they vote and that was under and within a year and that was a much slower time outburst in Internet time.
There's just this she actually projecting his I've -- in a matter of days.
I -- a I think as Ezra -- and for the Washington Post Michael -- a daily basis of big defeat for the Democrats because they try to make the same gross Horton and now live at the dates who have had to vote in seclusion Reid had -- and -- it.
Well and now any city.
Sequestration cuts have been hit by my count.
Both houses of congress have now two times.
Voted for -- senate Democrats have voted for a budget that that preserves is the president has now twice signed days.
Is this a sign that the blame game stuff it's just that the people don't think they can make.
That doesn't forget Paul Ryan's budget -- even goes beyond listing frustration -- we know he's guilty we know he likes yeah.
If you yeah.
It is up in arms about you know what the devastating -- certainly Paul -- even goes even further we should still but it's -- I was little states have -- these so it doesn't you know that no one has the profile encouraged.
Everybody -- that the developer Paul Ryan was easy though because they knew there was no consequences behind -- knew it was actually dead on arrival and got the senate.
So all of the cuts that they can say we -- for cutting government had no consequences sequestration.
Actually put both in both parties out there out front saint.
This is what happens when we cut it and you know they got overreacted I think to a lot of different people liberals hadn't been seen in the longer lines.
This is unfortunately kind of argued normal if we are going to.
Half the -- responsibility we are going to be facing these cuts -- FAA but all the way to support.
Regret and do you think.
But as again says that you get a honeycomb a fact that if you are dealing with -- that we did with the military first military -- more flexibility as you don't like.
And then he's well if you don't like to wait in line either now there's going to be a list.
They let you handle it cancers coming -- I -- it everybody's gonna -- debate be asking for their money back doing his slippers and I think that that it actually to have this -- about is.
-- and is harmful for the Democrats because I think a lot of times it a lot of these.
He saw the man was going -- these different department saying make this is painful or -- make this as public as possible little too cute by half.
Mean even the White House tumors and things like -- any too cute by half and I think in making this -- about what -- we rarity stop it's a slippery slope that there are under.
There's an answer to this it's just -- more from state governments governor's office prosecuted tax -- -- -- taxes designated for single thing.
People vote for sales taxes for a partner whatever it is right routinely they vote to increase -- taxes if they see the direct link.
Between what they're doing what they're getting there there's no breeze by the federal government could run the same process every every airline passengers would happily today.
And he's an architect and everything to the budget even under Clinton but it could only be dedicated to that thing.
So would be I won't I won't pay an extra twenty bucks on my plane ticket I know that I'm going to get and and then -- all right we might actually upgrade FAA technology and move to satellite and the reason foundation California done a lot of work and that's basically privatized system.
Because if there's one thing that there's obvious is a strong.
Robust business model for airplanes and air traffic control and the whole thing could be a either designated as this to know -- -- -- -- taxes war.
I'm -- I'm.
Or just simply -- -- aren't.
I think hated taxes keeping that any.
Only a president.
Only president's own party can make -- -- lame -- it was but it was Republicans who did it to George W.
Bush when -- sense of security.
Have missed it.
Is this the beginning of -- darkness for President Obama we've seen on gun control and now this twice -- -- resident Democrats.
We -- right now they're after their own reelection to congress is trying to protect president for his sounds so they are looking at my fourteen especially in the senate which is a very very typical map.
For Democrats to be able to hold majority now so they're looking out for their own back -- -- -- that this president is on his declining he's in his glory years you've been called that.
But so there it's all about their own reelection you're gonna see this more and more times in to say -- I'm not not right now.
It is -- how complicated -- -- war is this a general darkness.
President proposes congress disposes.
And that's exactly the president has no power other than to.
For trying to persuade congress and we can't do that is up making jokes at the correspondent.
That's well you know in his terms.
It is somebody's got to do it and we thank you for terming it an accident both of you as always you -- colleagues both.
OK let's do this.
Johnny state says hey Chris -- about addressing some of our comments about the topic and not just -- Dennis.
Don't Twitter -- -- that much I did it 1 time I am a little that's right I'm not going to I'm not too proud to say that I'm begging for Twitter followers but.
And in light of that here's what big hitting 323 says the more we talk about sequestration the less we talk about the real important stuff.
And that's exactly what they want.
Well they I think there's truth in what you say but I think there's also this I think there's also that right now congress is not quite able to do much at all except deal with the consequences of their products that they're dealing with the wreckage of their act.
They're trying to clear away and it's kind of typical kind of difficult.
OK -- -- hunt with Jonathan -- is up next you already know that if you're probably -- your popcorn to get ready for that could have got some quick -- points train -- First PowerPoint.
Wanted fifteen death analysts nobody wants to the death panel but the -- have which is the board that is supposed to recommend it.
Cost controls them for Medicare her.
Was supposed to be up and running tomorrow in time to receive if necessary recommendations.
About the need to control costs while they're not there.
And even though conservatives call them the death and -- and the White House had no they're not a death panel this is an island.
Lovable and glorious job that fifteen people are supposed to fill -- be vetted and approved by the senate to do.
Your second PowerPoint -- as rockets as they tried to put.
The health law into place you heard Max Baucus and -- heard others on the democratic side -- you have some big problems trying to put this in place this is one more missed deadline another cod and others -- on Iraq.
As they try to put this in place and Democrats.
To be anxious third -- point delay rather than defeat.
-- putting this into place not doing other things that are required under the law already good survival strategy for a president trying to make sure that his legacy is intact.
Because guess what if he were running fifteen nominees through the United States senate.
To be on something that was previously called death panel it would not likely improve the affection before an already controversial off.
So he's going to put that in his back pocket and wait maybe until he's done an office before addressing that and that's how they're going to try to keep this law he lives.
That's what they're gonna do to those -- your power points I know Charles is it's a Monday but we'll see you back here tomorrow have a great day.
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