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Good morning welcome to political insiders and are slightly reconfigured set overlooking the avenue of the Americas here fox headquarters.
I'm John -- holy day here with Packard -- And we think we have Doug -- with us from Miami bureau.
And a week from tomorrow pat.
May seventh is the first national -- federal election.
For a special house seat since Obama was reelected in November so -- six months.
-- -- -- that his second term and the first sign post will be.
This special election where you live in South Carolina the famous now -- because Mark Sanford the former governor.
And former congressman is running for his old seat.
In a solid Republican seat and he is losing this race.
Badly at the moment.
Badly as he described himself in New York Times that -- freefall.
Until he quote correct think.
By running an -- and let me back up the first district is -- -- district Kazaa -- prefer.
Tim Scott the African American congressman who swept it into office in them was appointed by -- -- would be senator.
You're replacing Jim -- all of this trails from Jim -- leaving his camera and our defendant is I'm sorry paycheck that The Heritage Foundation.
We have this issue when 58% for Romney.
By eighteen points over -- 5040.
And it was and right now even today.
It's a 41%.
Approval from President Obama.
But the Republicans having failed when they had a sixteen person primary he'd do one -- in need to thing.
One was to ensure a different.
Outcome in the runoff everybody knew Mark Sanford would give them a run -- -- be enough votes.
What's presumption was someone give him and be able to have been colas and beat him that did not happen.
Mark Sanford one million nomination.
He was already in trouble than he had the problems with the visiting trespassing.
That did did that this story -- never stopped giving ideas meanwhile what you padded room one side you've had.
The Democrats energized beyond belief -- I mean energized.
They've got three or four different groups including Nancy Pelosi -- -- -- house majority pac spending close to million dollars -- groups.
The national democratic campaign committee in near their hammering.
The -- democratic canyons very impressive Elizabeth.
-- -- she's running her campaign.
Her campaign manager bill -- they've run a brilliant campaign they've done nothing wrong she's -- on job cues from being independent.
And the Republicans and here's the amazing thing.
Never in the from the beginning they've let her emerge on unscathed.
They did not try to define her for the race which you would have -- this referendum right south Carolina's gonna send a message to Obama Nancy Pelosi.
Bush is for that is for Pelosi and Obama and obamacare you know none of that the fact they're not even in the race and the six chambers of commerce none of them have been to.
-- -- -- -- making or are we making too big -- deal about one house race in South Carolina as being important or is this important.
Well I think it is important look.
It is absolutely the case is pat suggests John that there are some particular local circumstances.
Peculiar to Mark Sanford that are explaining all that's.
But bottom line if the Republican brand was stronger separate would be -- The to Israel because I only look on the -- hundred numbers up on the race it's fifty and we got a poll that the latest poll that came about a week ago and there's been more bad news for the governor since.
Coal Bert to bush he's Stephen -- -- -- -- -- some of you know.
She's a fifty governor Sanford of 41.
We've put that -- upon various supplements -- -- And that's a democratic leaning poll there are some people pat who still say Sanford could pull this thing out.
Well it could you possibly if it became a last minute referendum -- enough was done the difference is in that hole.
Is it shows a much -- back to be a polling problem chose a lot more Democrats voting than normal.
Good but I think that's because there's more interest I think a lot of Republican -- turned although they're turned off -- an -- we also look here's the key thing.
The energy level at the democratic side.
Is unbelievable mobilization.
The national Democrats -- local Democrats state.
On the Republican side it's total paralysis.
And that goes back I think with -- was just saying we should talk about is they look like a defeated army still en -- -- dropped.
And it then and I think the consequences.
May be opened -- about -- -- you -- what happens on May eighth if this district.
This book -- -- this anchor of the Republican Party district goes.
Democratic by a big margin what you gonna do that.
-- -- couple things first of all a campaign reflects the energy and the character of the candidate.
To Monday nights ago you attended in the evening.
Where Sanford was there twice.
And you told Doug and and they afterwards that he was flat.
Lacking in energy lacking in any old for this race of all which mirrors his campaign -- -- -- -- I must I must say.
I apologize for an -- -- but I must say the lack of energy of Mark Sanford as I was suggested report.
Really mirrors the lack of energy of the national exotic and -- so it's a point that.
Pat made yesterday I think one of the things we tried to do want political insiders and -- you certainly.
Along with Pat -- Is that both parties are out of touch with the American people the Republicans candidly more so.
Then the Democrats in this is not an argument.
For the Democratic Party as much as it is sadly an indictment of the Republican Party and -- say sadly not because I'm a Republican.
But because I think we do best.
With a robust two party system.
And right now we have one party that's very weak.
And the other one that is some nebulous things.
Well attended that point I think that's why keep saying the day after what the Democrats are mounting a real effort and -- a democratic groups.
To turn Texas blue they called the Texas blue -- I'm sure this will get a boost.
-- in the arm he he's -- you said yesterday you don't see any Republican trying to turn Blue States red.
Is so you have that but I'll tell you what the Democrats and rightfully say whatever Sampras problems are -- -- overwhelming.
That should have been a referendum on President Obama and where he's taking the country and the Republican -- agent Doug just you just said Doug.
Have no energy come -- campaign.
Though the lackluster primary they also and I'm against spending was is unbelievably awful if you could imagine in terms of a message driven thing.
And here's the thing all may know how many on -- -- if she wins convincingly which I think she probably will.
Then -- we will have used we will have the Democrats saying ms.
rose if we can win Charleston we can win anywhere.
And you -- RCC is saying private auditorium we're gonna take that seat back by about but they portola -- this is a moderate woman they don't look at these kinds of seats back.
And this is hidden in the fact.
You can't just keep losing -- treating -- say it's okay.
Right and and by the way.
What they're really after and you and Doug have been on of those.
Four months is that Obama and closely.
Have a energetic goals to win the house back in twenty -- and here's one seat they could pick up that I need that many to win the house is feeling more and they had the energy.
That we're seeing in this race going elsewhere.
Don't go thought it was so give them more.
Oh absolutely I was about to say that pat I think you and John are hitting the nail right -- they have -- bottom line before it may seventh.
I think most neutral observers us included.
Would say that it's highly unlikely the Democrats will in the house and I think after may seventh we won't say highly unlikely we'll say unlikely.
But pat the point you make is exactly right.
As I think.
Potentially bankrupt as the democratic messages.
Redistribute wealth raise taxes on the rich that -- etc.
That is at least the message it has some appeal -- time of widening economic.
Inequality and people and hardship for people the Republicans have no message other than.
Anti Obama and while that has some short term benefit it doesn't really turn voters out.
In the absence of an issue like health care which PS -- They are not using in the way that you've recommended and I have recommended and I think common sense suggests they -- they have -- bottom line and I think they will be empowered the Democrats after his face up.
Show you -- Republican Party that cannot even make.
Obama in -- Republican I mean he's super Republican area.
The referendum issue that is what -- -- -- any idea to be Brody did figured out what message was South Carolina sending the country in the first election.
We want more we don't want Obama we don't want obamacare we don't want blow whatever I mean they've done nothing to make it referendum issues that you -- -- -- -- -- -- -- They can't even mount a campaign against Obama this district the -- now Johnny states one of our loyal viewers thank you Johnny for your constant comments this is a good one.
How do you expect Republicans to unify when their strongest characteristic.
Is a diversity of ideas.
Republicans don't want to be socialists strength through unity.
Diversity of -- not that that's for Johnny stronger on opposite -- me.
Very carefully if you watch the sixteen candidates in the -- in that primary.
What you would have seen is all of you couldn't tell one from the other.
All I think we should stop spending.
There wasn't an imaginative idea what I imagine -- campaign moment.
Other than Mark Sanford having hand painted signs Sanford -- cents or dollars or whatever.
You know which was -- bit amusing.
There was no message.
Don't let me literally they were all singing the same tune so I disagree we've done a better example they've got a good.
First viewed -- -- never -- Republican Party has prided itself on being a hierarchical.
Top down operation that stands usually for what.
The nominee of the -- for the presidency stands for we all want lineup for that.
With a slight change recently and foreign policy between the neo cons and traditional conservatives which is not in this race by the -- Martin -- our producer.
Tells me if you care about this race.
They're debating live tonight on C span at 7 o'clock Colbert bush and -- -- help -- Sanford could.
Possibly do great and still turn the thing until -- -- huge Republican issue but every time is running out.
The point news it was this has -- you could see this true if you quote Max Baucus whose train wreck coming.
Several months ago and no -- in the Republican Party.
National state or local.
Or the establishment South Carolina has done anything you keep it from happening.
-- and when we come back let's let's finish with this race but use it as a signpost.
To the future.
Is this race dug in past a sign of 201426.
-- is that the another sign of the death of the Republican Party that this is the -- A hundred plus years later.
We'll get to that for Doug -- -- -- Joba Julio we'll be right back.
But there were back and child affiliate here in New York the Packard bell Doug -- and our Miami bureau.
Wait let's move on now from the South Carolina race we'll get come back to that in a week and a half after the results are -- and see if we were right.
But let's take the bigger picture what it is happening start with you -- It seems it seems like the president is wandering around Washington doing nothing.
Cracking a few jokes at the white house correspondents' dinner.
-- for the first six months after the election is this an administration that is sort of run out of gas.
Yeah I think the word we use -- that we all.
-- John was adrift yesterday and here's the problem to put -- a slightly different way to provide a context for what we.
Said yesterday we talked about.
SA today and FBI.
And Obama -- and Ben Ghazi and now Syria with the news this morning.
Extraordinary news that the Russians are Manning the -- aircraft and defense system.
We've been totally -- but to me there's a larger.
Set of issues that.
Are suitable to this format rather than.
And that is Obama had a strategy and that strategy was to confront the Republicans.
At every juncture.
To blame them for everything blame them for the sequester.
Playing them for the failure to implement obamacare.
And that worked OK.
The tax deal at the end of the year.
Where a bomb.
Me and you know the last possible moment got to deal with the -- of -- McConnell but I after that the American people said look we've had it with us.
And so when Obama played the same games of brinksmanship.
To the sequester.
The American people rather than just blaming the Republicans.
Have ultimately turned on the administration.
Now is pat you've suggested John there is no energy and no empathy.
For a leader list rudderless idea lacking Republican Party.
So it's not like people of moved in the direction of the Republican Party but it's no accident that I think it was.
Reuters came out with a poll last week that we sided with 50% of the American people either independent or -- no party.
And under 50%.
-- the Democrats or Republicans.
Well not only that I think -- interest me and I think.
When George W.
Bush said in this interview with -- -- the other day that the Republican Party was leader Louis.
Pollutants like this in the -- in the wilderness.
Part of that is because the three people do most visibly responsible.
For the Republican -- The chairman of the Republican Party brand's previous he gets reelected without opposition no one says it.
Mitch McConnell BM Rose -- side there's.
A modern politics the war civil war general loses -- -- there -- -- election that they -- -- the senate would actually lose -- He gets a mixed -- has -- -- -- -- And -- who is presiding over our house which lost by what almost two million votes -- to the democratic National -- gets reelected to.
If so you have the same losing -- is there.
What what might could be someone might have suggested even be aspect every new leader of someone stepping down from someone stepping up.
Might have helped the Republicans but everybody in Washington he's interest in preserving their arrangements.
And the problem for the Republicans.
Is -- losing party preserving arrangements.
By that I just would throw out what I mentioned off the air.
Radio host said to me today.
On the issue why is Washington and adrift and getting nowhere in both parties thought of doing nothing.
And he made a good point which is everybody in Washington is good at one fact winning elections.
Period they don't know how did you do the job once they've won -- -- tonight can our -- didn't take issue with that talkback look because of redistricting.
So few members of congress have to run and competitive seats.
That even there you don't have people who were adept at building coalitions.
You have people that are adept at doing what.
Pat was describing before playing to a base in winning primary elections.
We don't have a center either a survey for laughter -- -- right.
That has any real influence over policy.
And you really don't need to play to the senator to win most elections and given the contributors.
Are on the right.
The redistricting process favors the extremes.
Bottom line you have ideologues who are being -- -- certain sense deferential to the donors and the Washington culture.
So that there's no independent leadership.
Or judgment exercised.
And hence we have.
Below -- read.
McConnell and Boehner.
Who are ultimately ineffectual or worse.
Well I had put Obama in there too though I don't -- prove that he knows how to run a campaign he ran to the campaign mode can't run the government.
Well I wanna read that I he -- look he doesn't have any interest he just thinks he pontificate some people won't call them.
I mean big men cannot himself -- what paper bag leadership points and what he has is a as a compliant press that he doesn't like.
The -- over puts Paulson the aired on being -- and every other thing he does wrong.
And so he thinks he's fighting real opposition -- he has not.
In the but the country you're right -- countries look to him and so they don't like it.
But what we really -- Washington is not just this ineffectual as we have a -- drops sister network.
Well the house of represented of Max Baucus in the senate went back up.
Max Baucus chairman of the Senate Finance Committee one of the architects key architect of volunteer -- last week always -- twice in Iraq.
And then announces he's leaving and he -- his twenty former staff members who lobby.
This is a man who Weis said the -- towards reducing tax reform bills and tax breaks for every group that will pay him in their lobbyists all.
In the Republicans go along whether they won't mountains -- said he campaigning against obamacare because actually too many of memory and hold with the insurance companies.
-- what we have here at look at this remember the disclosure billboard Peter Schweitzer did the big piece with the sixty minutes.
And found out -- is trading right at the congress including Pelosi.
So -- do this bill on disclosure and then two weeks ago in two days with no debate -- Paisley was -- -- -- similar.
Board's vote on this -- it.
The corruption and here we have an electric company going -- these tax expenditures -- guess who's doing it.
The Republicans and the Democrats.
The Republican Party is losing party refused to be anti establishment in -- to your point -- senator how about an American Sena party.
Would sweep this country.
Against this political class called -- and self -- I I I can't.
Be more fervent pat.
In acknowledging that what you just said.
You so very true.
What the American people want is somebody who will stand up.
For them not Washington not -- -- not the political class and the you know let's let's just take the obvious.
-- in an economic crisis in this country.
People are as you have said posted -- familial and analytical terms -- are having a tough time making good go of it who talks about that Washington.
No one who talks about jobs know what who talks about economic growth no one and who personalize is it.
Yeah everybody -- look at look at the Saturday night they had the we've been -- on the orgy of self congratulations.
In which Kevin Spacey gets the opening to screw with -- -- with having.
Valerie Jarrett and John McCain and same -- all them playing up to his character frank Underwood on house of cards a corrupt.
South Carolina congressman who all played about to consume whatever -- -- -- walking but it what you said -- -- true.
The president of the United States doesn't give it a -- Our idea what's -- about ordinary people -- -- hold up let's go to this exact point this sequester.
Exactly which was his idea to stick it to the Republicans are you guys want us cuts -- great.
I'm gonna cut spending and the most painful way possible we mentioned yesterday the FAA one and now they -- quickly -- to -- that.
But we also mentioned yesterday and it's come up since then cancer clinics yet can't get that -- you -- therapy.
To help patients because of sequester.
They have to put these same patients in the hospital.
To give on the -- -- cost more to do it in the hospital.
Where is the president of the United States on cancer people they he's letting these people because worried yeah.
That I all of the American people as I call up his war in America is more important.
About trying to move them politically so we can raise taxes and make the biggest government -- being -- the country's foreign wept as possible.
And let me say it would be even the Republicans who don't have no merit and -- -- we should spin this to say this.
The FAA thing is interesting though and -- -- one of the chime in on this since he flies as much as I do.
Which is the FAA they go down there.
And indeed helped -- the congress the penalty -- Washington there won't be any cuts indoors try furloughs and the theater traffic controllers in the water and engineer they were bought.
Except everywhere else and -- been the congress still buckle lead I noticed -- by democratic senate.
-- look I think.
When you contemplate that we had a manufactured.
That was eminently avoidable that was solved Thursday and Friday.
You say to yourself what's the portable that's why aren't they taking on real problems.
And the idea that somebody would stand up and say wait a minute.
You create a problem for political reasons it backfires -- Then you solve it you're not doing the people's business shame on you both.
It bluntly it's only going to be.
On this network -- and political insiders in particular where you'll hear that kind of talk.
From -- John absolutely and myself because this is outrageous tell everybody knows that.
Doug and pat we have a few minutes left is Obama teetering on a failed presidency he doesn't get something done.
To change the direction that were headed we seem to be you say adrift we're drifting.
Yeah I think -- long as he has no opposition he can -- -- but I think appeal president in the window amendment look.
Here -- we have more crisis coming Syria is a big one he drew a red line in the sand.
Can't handle it -- -- and is clearly the entire policy and about Iran with sanctions is totally collapsed -- never allowed to red line or not they're getting a bomb.
And then we have this disaster in Boston where his attorney general Eric Holder.
Can the FBI we find out -- again that how Brendan did the manuals trim them.
What we have been in Boston news isn't as is not content no discussion -- extremists but -- don't we don't even finished -- earlier in the that is referred to -- FBI manuals have been censored and audio out inspired the roads are not censor them right if they talk about Islamic terrorism with the Islamic and search their -- and we stop questioning -- sixteen hours because -- -- -- the same -- did the underwear bomber.
They are waging war against our own need apple war dog a final thought from you know.
You know my attitude is if you look at international.
Affairs we have no program no agenda.
No clear strategy domestic policy same -- no clear strategy.
-- final thought that the Republicans.
Lack of a message in that direction of -- Obama's best asset is -- ugly things.
-- -- and pat thank you both will be back this Sunday five point five on the Fox News Channel.
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