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Let's bring in the founder of the firm national prison and sentencing consultants -- John Webster.
John happened to serve 313 months in federal prison for lying to the FBI while representing a client in a new Jersey securities fraud case.
And he spends part of that sentence in the same housing unit where the car -- and I have is now in custody at this moment sir nice to see you thank you.
Good to see you -- how's that place.
Yeah I heard your reporter indicate that -- that FM to DeVon does a minimum security facility in and that's partly accurate there is a minimum security federal prison camp and Jason to it.
But it's a federal medical center where they have several different security levels.
And -- -- that this concern I have is.
Is in the special housing unit and and indeed if it's special.
And it and -- and I do mean.
That a very unpleasant why.
He I well I will unfortunately was placed in the same housing unit for 28 days.
When I first arrived at that facility because simply because of lack of -- space.
And once you're in that facility regardless of who you war -- while you're there you're treated all the same.
And it is a 10 X 10 room it's it's got a steal monkey will be along.
-- have very limited you when contacted and will be with guards only he will have no contact with any other inmate.
My guess is -- even if he had visitors I don't believe he does he would they would not be allowed to see him with the exception of his lawyers.
So it it's.
It's certainly was not an improvement from where he was that -- in the hospital and just Johnny -- the -- exercise time either right except we newsroom.
That -- that is not correct you know get a depending upon his health and I'm not sure exactly what that is.
But but you get -- one hour -- day of recreational time in and I went one day and one day only.
Because I felt the experience to be so incredibly dehumanizing.
I wasn't going to do what again.
The -- Billy belted and shackled.
-- when you leave yourself you are made to walk backwards.
When you walk backwards you walk into a very large -- lack of a better term dog kennel.
There are no other inmates in the dog kennel at that time there's no basketball is no ball and you simply stand there and -- dog cage having to correctional officers watching it.
And I just found out to be able to -- -- night.
And declined to do in the future many inmates disagree with me and do take advantage of that time but it's not recreational time in the sense that you're enjoying yourself.
It is simply in my opinion it means to get fresh air and it is I guess the -- sort of it is here and they haven't put him in some country club reflects.
All by far he is not a country club -- -- not in the hole and and here's that is something that debt -- -- -- earlier with your producers.
From as a source and I have this is going to be the best place he ever ends up.
Because one of two scenarios are going to occur by the life a life sentence upon conviction -- the death penalty.
If it's the death penalty he will be going out the -- -- he will be in a stricter environment during the period of time here awaiting execution.
Or if he gets a life sentence.
My guess is he'll end up in the eighty -- super Max in Florence Colorado where he again we'll have very limited to no human contact.
And that is that that is a very devastating.
Yeah I'm sure sure it would be it and thinking of -- devastating existence or lack thereof for some of his victims -- Might be absolutely appropriate -- it's nice to see you thank you for coming and I concur would be wholly appropriate for mr.
stern I have affiliate.
All right thanks.
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