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I'm not a -- and Jennifer -- news editor charisma magazine director for international.
House of prayer for what real mission -- -- as well.
And her next book the spiritual warriors -- to defeating -- Isabel will be published this coming June Jennifer thanks so much growth program tonight.
And -- -- even though I think republic this -- but I appreciate you coming on the show Kelly what is wrong with Jason Collins coming up.
Well you know I think it took a lot of courage for him to do -- but I really.
Don't change we all need to know if he's gay or not if it shouldn't matter whether someone is -- or not then why are we all hyped up in the immediate why is everyone talking about it is it's not.
I think you know the answer to that is because we we we know if somebody straight and gay people had to live under cover and have had to kind of keeps quiet.
Their orientation and beat be secretive about it you know valiantly to.
Yet they have been for -- one more though we've seen the main streaming they -- -- -- you think you should remain secret.
I I don't believe that we need to mainstream something that it is not in my opinion and got the opinion -- do you speak for.
I don't speak for god we only would -- opinion was spoke so well.
I'm telling what you what my belief then and I know what the word and show him -- -- -- LA.
Well again I I always get a little -- curious about those who think they know the word of god but maybe you do better the night.
But again it's because.
We Livan is basically a straight world we're gaze until recently if not felt empowered and now -- the increasing number of states Rhode Island likely to be the chance to have.
Gay marriage marriage equality.
People had to live by hiding who they are.
Now feel more empowered to come out is that a good thing.
I think it's good for people to feel comfortable in their own skin but as the repercussions.
-- living a lifestyle.
Like the one that Jason has -- contrast to live big I just aren't there.
We can't not leading -- -- the type that he needs to go in -- We're ready you know my -- ago.
We all like to think where going to do another -- a better place has been who and we -- shared by the Bible clearly be.
So we can again -- -- I can't get in their now.
Anybody who is living an unprepared concern is that gonna make and the kingdom.
And again -- -- you to say.
Who gets into heaven and who doesn't.
I'm not and I can't judge anyone type -- the word of god is the judge.
The British -- say that a gay couldn't get into -- First Corinthians 692 less -- a -- You know forty -- nor adulterers nor adulterers you know on the actual door achieved or are drawn Kurds sure extortion -- will inherit the kingdom of god it's not just homosexuals and anybody that he that he can.
Now if you live and that lifestyle if you practiced -- lifestyle if you aren't willing to turn away from that lifestyle.
Well some almost everybody's probably four -- when time or another.
Without benefit clergy perhaps run.
I'm sure many people have the differences do you repentant that you say you know what that was wrong.
The -- and I'd be offense -- their lives without the wedding ring.
Feel it was wrong to do so in a -- in -- they have they don't deserve to go to half.
I'm saying that anyone who does not repent of -- And practices.
That men and especially probably with no regard for what the word of -- -- isn't going to make -- it.
-- but again you keep telling -- what that word of god is as if his if you know what about this or not.
The subscribing to your particular religious point -- is that the only way to be -- And he -- the only way to be -- absolutely.
So you believe he should repent before it's too -- is what you're saying.
And you also say and actually you know you -- some kindness.
In your piece.
We've written in that well why am praying.
For first openly -- NBA player.
You don't think he should be -- which I think -- says that -- -- -- I know you feeling your heart you want would you feel is best I don't think your cup approaching this with meanness.
But did you think it's possible that when.
You start and people who agree -- you start talking about how someone who does this needs to repent.
And they're not acting Christian and they're never gonna make it to the promised land you not perhaps giving aid and comfort to those who would tackle him.
In a public setting.
You know I agree with -- there aren't many people including Christians who are very cool and it's not helpful at all -- I do think as Christians we need to stick with our convictions we need to stick with what we believe it just like anyone else we'll -- What -- with well what what what they believe at.
They think though.
Obviously you know how I feel about this but the -- craze in the question but the notion of telling other people what path they should walk for them to get redemption.
Is not the purpose of any of us mere mortal to be able to do that.
You know I believe that -- called Q preached.
The gospel of Jesus Christ and if I failed to do so that I am not living up to the calling him that I haven't the Christian we're supposed to share Jesus.
-- that the way the truth.
And the life and it's my responsibility.
To tell other people -- that you know what is the way to treat the.
Jesus himself ever personally weigh in on homosexuality.
You know what it is clear and scripture.
That it's not that Dodd plan -- -- the lead in the first.
You talked about marriage being between a man and a woman on the now and get married men and women to marry women.
You say that the gay agenda.
Wants us to know.
He's a professional sports you keep out of step you say that it's not supposed to matter -- -- -- NFL players gay.
And then you say the gay agenda wants us to know because it wants to shape and mold the minds of the next generation.
As if somehow there's some gay.
Core CO RPS.
Someplace working to kind of -- minds.
Do you think that they're out recruiting people to become gay -- things out that's how it works.
Now I don't think they're recruiting people to become gay at all I don't think that's how it works at all my issue it would be aggressive.
Gay activism you know we had a couple of lesbians come at our church.
A last week we welcome that -- they came up to the -- requesting prayer church.
We pray for -- it's not about.
Not liking someone or liking someone or -- or not -- -- about the word of god and what it comes down -- is.
Believe that we need to be propagating something that clearly going to get the word of Scott's wife and against whatever stand against the work.
You're not supposed to get you can't get married if you're gay -- you know he'll be you don't believe you should be able to and in forty and 39 states -- the forty state she can't.
So if you're -- What are you supposed to do.
In terms of having some kind of -- of a life with another person with a partner with the companion to have some kind of a sex life.
What would you what would you say the -- I would say that shouldn't be having sex life put the person with a person after being shot.
Because it -- code against the word of god is very clear.
Again you're telling other people had to live so you would deny.
People from loving who they love -- they have -- of some of the same gender.
Well you know we can't help will be loud atmosphere and challenge in American culture when the -- -- who they can't love.
Think they are easily choose to change their orientation.
I don't think it's easy to -- to change it Mel and I don't think people -- important day.
I think that there are people that struggle with same sex attraction and I don't think it's easy to overcome -- -- spoke with people.
Go have taken on the battle they think they try to reject that lifestyle they try to reject those.
Still think that the track attraction and -- for years they struggle with that it is the choice it was choice should try to struggle against pork which would eventually.
Well you say struggle against that they should force himself to be straight.
They should force themselves to walk again and the word if they're -- difficult proclaim to be Christians -- anybody really if you hope to.
You know he didn't happen if you -- to look at find your way.
Through Jesus -- -- been there and all of us we have to -- But apparently gateway -- for whatever reason whether it you know let's get that guy not get bug in -- -- -- -- -- let's say you happen to begin day.
You not attracted to members of the opposite sex.
What are you supposed to -- -- you supposed to work on being attracted go -- gay reparation repaired about rather therapy is that does that you know what do you think -- should have.
I want and and then you're asking someone to -- a -- life.
Well I'm asking someone to live a life that's a very short span of time and -- lead by years maybe -- Hopefully more coming -- much like I'm asking for the first someone to to wage war against the left out of the flashback.
And for a short time here in this age at an age -- -- they can live an eternity.
And it would Jolie -- your beat you know chase and talked about the struggle that he had the -- eager.
It did the course sleeping in and all this -- struggle that he.
Think it's possible not that I'm -- -- Not.
Albert what -- -- one of the reasons he struggles and other people who have not yet come out struggle is because when they hear.
People who say the things you're saying -- intimidated about.
They don't want to have to fight that kind of a battle do you think your -- may be hurting them are hurting their ability to feel comfortable with who they are.
Sometimes the truth does hurt it's not my intention certainly -- -- -- heard anyone my intention is to help people I don't want to see anybody.
Struggle with any hey you know what -- see everybody walking in joy and peace but yeah sure why there are some -- -- -- -- And who are making it.
Scare -- for people like Jason.
Well I hope I know that George don't -- -- and comfort to those people and a pretty pretty much guessing you do to Jennifer thank you very much for having the debate here tonight thank you for talking to us.
Appreciate -- very much.
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