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Steve welcome back leave me.
So yeah yeah.
Yeah yeah yeah I assume their -- it was for him.
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Book the looming -- so we want to finish of the -- -- Comments and and our panel.
One of the things we didn't finish talking about was -- we did many stories about the Republican report but we didn't go deep into that.
Line by line.
And you mentioned it and there's some pretty detailed stuff in that and that -- It is that's why I did go back and I went in and not only read this for top -- stuff but looked at the reporting.
In that house report which is out last Wednesday.
And focused on the -- I'm talking points which starts on page eighteen.
And you have to look -- read the report and then look at the -- footnotes because.
It's very clear that everything that stated that this report alleges.
Is backed up by emails and they had access to emails that.
The administration sent back and forth between senior administration officials between the CI AD and I State Department all of these.
Agencies as they went about the process of putting together drafting and ultimately editing.
I would argue politicizing these talking points and it is extraordinary.
To look at these.
Footnotes and and see how the talking points changed basically what you did that take away is.
Over the first several days there was a lot of focus in the talking points.
Jihadist about extremism about a ounce -- -- about al-Qaeda about this basically being an attack.
And then there's this deputies committee meeting that then there's some some concerns raised on Friday the fourteenth.
The following morning which is a Saturday the fifteenth there's a deputies committee meeting at the White House.
And then what you see you don't know what happens to that these -- don't really have we have some handwritten notes apparently but you don't see you act.
But what we know what comes out on the other side of this on the other side of this.
You have all sorts of references to to demonstrations and -- to YouTube videos.
And one of the most striking things I'm doing some reporting and I -- -- the bigger sort of deeper piece about this up tomorrow evening at the weekly standard.
One of the most interesting findings is that nowhere in the early versions.
Of the talking points was there a single mention of -- YouTube video.
Not one the end if you go according look at the -- the administration made its case.
Everything revolved around the YouTube video and it was nowhere to be found in the early versions of these talking points.
Hoosier -- from New Jersey says can we see this report to Steve is talking about yes and it's posted right on the it's posted I'm trying to think where I got and I haven't had emailed to me that's the version I was working under I'm sure if you Google -- Think we've we've -- put it up I think we can link it on our homepage -- pretty sure I'll get I'll get working -- Or someone.
-- to link it to read it.
Want to your point about.
You know who these people are that are making.
The charges you know Adam Housley.
The guy he talked to this week.
A special operator.
He says quote -- source.
Was monitoring the events and then -- real time.
I know that he was on the ground and then Gaza before he was not there that night he had left.
Days or something -- it before.
Monitoring the event and and -- in real time.
You know what he says about the the charges of of how things -- And going after the people responsible here's what he said about that.
-- This is the source you.
We basically don't want but certainly want to.
Then the problem is if ambassador Stevens -- we.
Knew that -- personal information.
About the people who -- old.
There -- solid.
Rover didn't read you hope it doesn't grow revenues in the face enormous and -- we have the cable movie.
Training and capacity.
To tool -- capture.
Not only to your student days weeks specific principle not a -- in -- students yes.
Returners were -- -- regions.
And you know he says that.
The guy they know with a mass riders and he's walking free and Libya and yet today we get the FBI post in these three pictures.
You know eight months later just doesn't.
Yeah that's the part of the the pursuit.
Of justice that.
That that is the White House talks about that that a lot of people say where where is that.
-- read from my perspective.
First of all I think you know the online audience should be aware that this person that Adam talked to.
Is not one of the people that is being represented by Victoria concert tour so.
I mean that's no role whatsoever liberate these things -- exact second thing to say.
Is that this man really is making a case about the State Department taking control.
Away from defense or CIA or anybody else on the night that this occurred because certain people -- not -- on vacation or away from.
In the military -- chain of command in -- guys and thinks that state acted as a bunch of diplomats who didn't have.
And the sense of resolve to call in military support.
And secondly as you just heard in the tape thinks you know what.
We should be acting more quickly to go after people that we suspect are.
Involved with this case and he believes he knows apparently who the mastermind was I don't know how to make that judgment I'm not.
At that level of the game but I must say.
I you know I think want anybody can say anything any one person can say anything.
But we don't have that even from Republican critics yet that -- believe that.
Than terrorist mastermind is known to the government and is being -- -- I just haven't heard that many.
Frank types why -- FNC treat Obama with kid gloves.
-- that the charts.
Kickback after the -- critic in chief.
I knew I'd question the assumption.
I think in this particular case.
Fox is the only network -- really pursued this and we really are there are two questions.
What happened on the night could we have.
Saved -- prevented some of to carnage to death and destruction.
And I think that's a tough question we may never know.
-- the administration seems rather in curious because it's afraid who reflect badly on people.
Particularly at -- and I think they ought to be open about that.
I don't think Americans -- -- extremely.
Harsh and judging you know making a call at the scene at the time.
-- side of caution if that looks as if it was a reasonable.
Alternative but the idea that we've been told nothing was possible.
Everybody understood as a beginning this was not going to.
There was nothing -- that could have been done that ought to be explained and justified.
The other question is.
The justice issue afterwards.
And that is puzzling because we already had stories.
In the mainstream media.
About one person who was known to be involved serving openly in a coffee shop.
In many guys see and I tend -- believe this special operator who says that we know where these guys are.
What I don't quite understand is why we would refrain.
From going after them is -- the risk.
Of losing more people is it.
Threats that we are getting from them -- from the Libyan government it's a little bit hard to figure this out.
But I think that also needs to be excellent and I don't quite I understand why there's sensitive about what Steve's taught.
Well let's be honest and there are so many questions -- Many guys and and why was -- seasons there without security.
What exactly was the CIA.
Operation on the ground doing.
Please -- -- for security here why were all those please -- for security there why.
How did it did they want apparently to keep -- in a stove pipe of the CIA and not.
The military it appears by by everything everything we're reading now that they.
Didn't really want the US military responded I wanted to keep it in -- agency.
Kind of framework why is that so.
Not a lot there and it's taking a lot to get to it and people are frustrated and it's eight months later and we haven't talked heard from any of these survivors and I think we're going to start.
To hear I think so if you didn't he -- what is so -- one of the most interesting aspects of this entire.
Eight month ordeal is it was looking at the media coverage I mean.
You when I went back and I re read that that report not to not to mention any of the questions that you just raised threat but.
It this is a basic journalism any journalist with you even a scintilla.
Would want to have any answers to these questions and I think what's happened is because this took place in the context of a political campaign.
And because it is to some extent Mitt Romney came out the morning after.
And you know he was viewed as having stumbled by speaking about it early and he got pummeled in the press for several days.
That the media then chose to look at this is strictly through both political prism -- It didn't get the kind of attention it deserved at that point I think because of the potential political implications and what's happened now is.
Everybody just -- -- well that's put to bed that's put to rest and it's only sort of crazy right wingers and talk radio and you know these house Republicans who are interest in this whereas if any.
You serious journalist from any outlet anywhere took the time to to examine the facts of the matter.
It would be a blockbuster story if they can answer even a handful of things outstanding question.
-- in the music -- right I mean it's not concede that that if you took just the politics out of let's just say.
You take that whole thing up you just say okay.
Take the politics out.
It's still a great story isn't.
Answers to do that's a fascinating story don't we why isn't.
Aren't we doing well let me just say and I guess this is -- Carter response to previous email that you read.
You know I think fox has been persistent on this -- I don't think fractious give and guys like and I think.
Let's say some of that creek criticism was aimed at meanwhile -- come on here on fox and -- I think cable guys slowdown here's.
The other side of the story I mean I think that's valuable OK I think that's I think that's important for our audience I think is important for all of us to.
You know I think we're journalist and we and we should be able to.
Responded to your questioning him back and forward Michael in response to -- earlier -- the other story part of this is two things.
Don't forget the larger context which is the video was involved.
The video was involved in outbreaks and criticism it was coming from around the Arab world I think so I think that gives cover.
Even if you are of the mind that what happen in -- guys he is an outrageous and separate event.
There was this concurrent event OK second thing to -- That remember in the talking points that Steve is referring to that what we've heard from how the Director of National Intelligence Jim clapper is.
That they -- folks went over this and I think this is the kind of back important European accounting emails or text messages that -- -- yes.
And if they're going back and forth over this they're making a decision about what they want out at this moment.
In -- the -- what they're giving.
Two people like Susan Rice an investor -- -- others for public disclosure at this moment what is clear directions the talking points for that.
So I think you have to consider their larger goals that they have some other game I don't know we've heard testimony from clapper saying.
That was his doing it was not -- doing that any of the political operators at the White House or elsewhere we'll -- -- that director of LME's.
Read this bill.
Brett is frustrated that no one else is going to and -- rabbit holes did not see this frustration with the Bush Administration when consulates were attacked.
Are you got the other side of its -- Listen bill.
-- -- I read all of these and I'll read the currency.
Look let's just to respond directly what wants has that -- the case that the administration made of the intelligence agencies made at the time was largely built around this.
Argument that they couldn't provide more information because it might jeopardize the FBI investigation.
It was a phony argument that release was the -- have phony argument it was a it was it an argument that I found difficult to believe in real time but we now -- with the benefit of hindsight having gone back and looked through the emails.
We seen their deliberations or at least the people who have written up this report have seen these deliberations.
And there is no mention.
Of threatening the FBI investigation in any of their discussions as they talk about what they're gonna put out what they're not what they're gonna withhold.
There's nobody says there we can't do this because it would jeopardize the investigation.
He and in fact the more incriminating piece of that is that the FBI actually signed off.
On an early version of the talking points which included all of this other stuff so.
The administration I think our and then they're basically caught dead to rights on that issue and one finals from exclamation mark.
It wasn't used to be -- very -- it was a clapper who made that argument it was a statement that came out of -- office on September 28.
McClellan or he's never -- -- -- this person away clapper I had told the clapper did not.
Was not thrilled about the statement coming out of his office it went out in the name of his spokesman Shawn turner -- spokesperson Shawn turner.
Clapper was not thrilled about the statement going out and I was basically told here's a statement you have to make it what makes this more interesting is that if you look at that statement now in the context of what we know about the way the talking points were put together.
It's totally false statement is just 100% false it's not true things that they say that this was all our original reporting this is what we gave them and that's all they said.
It's just not.
Borne out by the email exchanges that.
I've never heard.
clapper comes forward he's been on the hill subsequently asked about the she's never say it.
That he wants to distance himself or just outright -- -- and say this suggestion that somebody tells the man who runs the office.
And didn't get fired there who has the most to think I'm.
You know I I think the spokesman works for Jim -- The spokesman -- for Jim clapper clapper got a phone call when he was overseas telling them that they were gonna put a statement out.
And my understanding is he didn't want his name honest -- it's telling when you put a statement out from the office of the director.
Of national intelligence speaking broadly about this investigation something -- sensitive and his name's -- it.
Last word on this we're -- -- -- listen we're going to have this year Wednesday that it promises.
To at least be illuminating in the fact that.
There will be.
We're told new testimony from people we haven't heard from before.
Who will deal with some of these some of these issues I don't see how explosive it is I don't know there will be to -- coverage.
I just have the Republicans on the committee.
Will show tolerance and understanding of mistakes.
If it's who -- -- and clearly one can have a situation that's rapid.
It's -- for scene and there's no real planning as we heard from.
Special operator I think they ought to go into this gingerly and simply say we're trying to figure out what happened that night.
We're not gonna rendered judgment to let other people would judge there are going to be mistakes obviously happened and -- operations.
Military and otherwise.
And just to let the facts come out and if it turns out.
But it contradicts what the administration story as well that movie.
An issue administration's gonna have to deal with it if it -- and then we'll have an understanding of something we can lay it to rest.
There and they should be quite restrained and simply say we're in pursuit of the facts that.
-- nothing more I'll simply say bill.
That a US ambassador and killed.
On the eleventh anniversary of 9/11 on US soil.
Is a big story and the fact that we don't have answers eight months later.
Requires us to continue to ask questions -- kept moving on immigration.
There's really a big push this week.
Thoughts isn't moving in the right direction for the pro immigration reform people is it heading towards derailment Steve your thoughts.
Well let me preface my thoughts president I have been focused on the Hostin Ben -- in these other things much more than I have -- -- actually reporting the details immigration.
But just from reading the papers.
You -- one gets the sense that no it's not going well for the pro immigration.
Forces and that they're having to make -- arguments and explanations that suggests that.
Things are heading in the other direction Marco Rubio who's been sort of at the front of this for Republicans.
It once again reminded people in a statement -- that then he made on Greta last night look this is the beginning of this process.
He and they're offering amendments now and they're sort of revisiting an end.
And tinkering that's not -- kind of thing you would expect if you thought this was heading to full passage.
I do followed very closely and I think that if you were.
Standing from a distance -- say that.
The flow which have been so strong in terms.
Immigration reform after.
The November election where you saw the Hispanic vote definitely skew towards the Democrats.
And give it to Republicans every reason -- to get behind this.
Have shifted and especially shifted in the last thirty days suddenly now the momentum is with people who are critics of the reform package Marco Rubio.
Who had been really the point man.
For Republicans who were trying to get some kind of reform done because of the political pressure.
Suddenly finds himself under attack from.
Ted -- the senator from Texas and others.
Not only that in that in their -- talk radio conservative talk radio.
Which for a while I was giving them a break and people like Sean Hannity and really backed up now all of a sudden.
They're back I say -- -- you know what.
This is a pathway to citizenship this is amnesty and they don't like it.
I disagree it isn't as if people didn't understand.
From the beginning that the issue that vision involves amnesty.
For green -- that's been understood from the first day.
The reason that you get hesitation in the region together changed.
Is because everything hinges on the details of legislation.
On the concept you and I could agree.
United if you do enforcement and you.
If you if you offer of that is the essence of the deal.
He had rubio on -- -- to me on board he had to -- democratic party -- -- He had a national concerns the problem is what are they writing into the law.
Enforcement hinges entirely on details and are the details of Democrats are putting him.
We're taking on I think indicative of -- party that has no interest in enforcement wants to give lip service and pretend it's in the bill.
And then we capitulate 1986.
We've got legalization.
And that's where I think it could collapse you give me strong enforcement he shows seriousness.
I'll give -- -- that kind of example do you want.
Who's going to decide.
Under the the idea that of the console.
You cannot proceed to look for a green card to apply for green card until you get.
A committee of some sort their degrees governors and -- that the border is closed the question is who sits on that.
Committee governors along the border states I originally what was a proponent of that.
But -- case is quite strong that governors are subject.
To the political pressures of the people in their states it's conceivable that even Republicans would sign off.
For political reasons well -- would want out of commission the people who are totally uninvolved.
Okay includes governors and -- OK but it depends who is in that committee is a very important issue.
If it's only people who I -- about politics is is just one small example of the dozens of examples but I'm saying that's why you might get resistance.
That's the only reason you get rubio says it.
I'm glad you sadness because to me this is just a pretext for trying to stop.
There is this reminds me you know people who say today's story in Boston look at these people who've come here.
Yesterday's story look at these people getting welfare benefits from -- wired these immigrants doing.
You this is what time you say the change in -- has to do it because I think they're changing who is much larger I mean I listen to what you just said and I think two things.
Everybody says we put billions into added security on the border everybody acknowledges.
The flow of immigrants has actually stop illegal immigrants across that border.
So I mean I think -- myself you know what people don't want all the.
It's inputs are irrelevant.
We we doubled our spending on education since 1970.
And test scores -- Inputs are irrelevant.
Unfortunately camps and now you are getting you don't do you -- your saying because we have had in -- a lull in the wave of remembrance.
Don't know rebuilt -- -- -- -- inside you have.
Surveillance why haven't they weren't so I was really ground from a US economy Hogan Arnold.
The building -- the warm Miami and that's a good thing -- -- blown out of the immigration not only to -- right about that too because I think there's less than a Mac in terms of -- -- -- -- -- we built a -- we we put in surveillance haven't been too long yes we yeah.
I'm single law.
That's a fraction of infraction and wonder.
Why don't the Democrats should -- -- home.
What you need -- to listen let me just tell -- something most immigrants.
Who come into this.
Country anyway unless you're just -- you don't like Mexicans we've got a big won't won't let me just tell you this most immigrants come in -- country they fly and they go over the law.
Look we know that we get every day every weekend we had for 24 runs.
A wave of relief.
At least half of whom are coming over in this work for for Democrats to say we have a -- or who needs a -- which incidentally is a contradiction.
For well it's such a good idea why would Democrats object what's the objection to actually had a -- I.
Let's just -- -- this form because it in this bill there is no -- there's a virtual wall our offense.
There's more of a wall and our offense and there -- a more money for computers and people on the border Steve.
We are hoping next week perhaps under review and senator sessions actually.
Four figure a whole section of -- -- great to debate.
Those specifics because really those -- the two.
Protagonist on the rebuttal -- you haven't replied absolutely and sessions would be one of the people who could potentially you know -- ration things.
Because there would be contingency.
Yet we -- if if that happens -- will be the first one that to be watching that.
I I do you think that part of the problem though is goes back to what Charles.
Made reference to an end you know it was widely reported that.
Democrats in congress.
Special interest groups on the democratic side for pressuring the White House to strip or not not only the White House but the gang of eight -- of the White House was also pressuring the -- To strip all of these enforcement.
To choose -- make them the proposal more toothless then.
I think some critics would say it already is an hour -- There's a matter of a trigger.
Well it'll trigger that we know that trigger or not a trigger and the Democrats refuse to buy the trigger.
But if you don't know the matter of the substance and the sequencing that they were getting pressure on according to Politico the New York Times Washington Post and -- -- triggers would be good but a lot of don't have.
-- lose the other side.
And that -- you lose Republican votes and you should get what you could but it's not necessary if you say we are guaranteeing you the money that you referenced earlier.
Go -- -- regarding your -- trying to get the money means nothing at all.
-- question is are you stopping illegal immigration.
From the border are you -- the river to a trickle and what's in the bill would rubio wants there's -- 90%.
Reduction and a 100%.
-- -- -- That's a reasonable offer.
But don't say I spent a bunch of money it means nothing we spend a billion dollars on the virtual fence and was abandoned last year.
Because it is entirely useless it.
First of all virtual fence is not useless and second why the Pentagon US senate if not abandoning -- -- didn't know me canceled let me just -- don't we have elements of -- virtual friends that are working at this moment let me -- But the second thing is that what you have here is a situation where people say will you commit the resource is at a time when you know the budget is tight.
Are you were so invested in this that you are willing to commit resources to put additional forces and additional equipment on the border answer yes.
The problem is when people say oh and unless unless we can have our panel assure us that there are fewer immigrants and fury and applause.
Then you don't get to have any pathway to citizenship.
The -- -- -- a fair deal.
More on the people are here illegally.
Going to be legalized under.
-- -- -- we won't let me stay in the current politics thirteen years -- -- -- Yeah I think Eli Wallace lost -- here -- their -- provisional.
It was just yeah but they don't become citizens -- thirteen years Charles -- provisional -- the Grand Canyon.
That will never be revoked it means anybody here.
He's going to be -- lead he's going to be here legally.
To live and work without the fear of deportation because what -- -- what president has -- -- come in and say you know what we're not gonna.
But once you make or did he -- a great -- you know 90% -- -- -- want to take away the -- -- -- you can live and we can ruin your life that -- instant.
That happens on day -- the question is would you give Cheney trip.
Later on that -- push people into enforcement and that's where you get the green card and citizenship.
That's -- to -- the only way to start to get a green card after your legalized after the fear of deportation -- removed.
Has to -- -- closing of the border proprietary -- so much weaker -- here's your progress.
Deal breaker no -- We shall see you next week will be.
Big week on that's.
We have a lot more news this week it's like it's been a month but this is -- -- -- -- it's unbelievable.
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