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I don't wanna love their microphones once again Noam Chomsky doctor Chomsky is now written nuclear war and environmental catastrophe.
He is an MIT professor.
Written and lectured widely and linguistics velocity electoral history contemporary issues international affairs and US foreign policy doctor -- thanks for joining us.
Appreciate very much reportedly written and your latest is with Larry -- you've talked about your argument nuclear war and environmental catastrophe also wanna get into.
-- navy did with -- alternate about the Obama administration and civil liberties but why the issues in this particular home nuclear war and environmental catastrophe.
There are plenty of problems in the world and many of them are quite severe.
But there are two issues which are -- unique and significant.
And a little over everything you know I'm a recent news that.
Decent survival of the species.
And we're still having a debate in this country about -- is there something called climate change that we can.
Codify and there are metrics approve it and then -- manmade and it seems like the big monied interest can't seem to get their hands around.
Probably get their heads around that.
-- know very well what's happening.
And anyone who bothers street didn't the science magazines in Europe.
What -- produced in the regular.
That studies knows exactly.
What is happening maybe not to connect -- little but the general point interest.
To indicate that little cute things to a grid didn't or report from the man the government monitor of I think that you don't that you not government the new USA scientific -- of sort of C temperature rises discovered that there.
See a temperature -- I think that the item level in human history it has to go back to the people -- something like Clinton.
Repeat shortly before that there was an.
Article one of the major science magazines and pointing out that it is reviewing.
Understudy to -- permafrost president.
Siberian permafrost that was -- -- a method to find 500 year record of sort of the effect of climate change on permafrost and it.
Cannot receive a startling conclusion that even had anticipated.
Levels of global of global warming not.
-- I'm not about what might very well.
-- person would might well be extradition to.
-- to Europe and -- terminal.
Throw instead which plan.
But what happens is well understood to have.
-- it is.
-- scapegoat for the -- and which is more.
-- limit the carbon dioxide but it considerable major unmet social and escalating process.
I don't fight the big -- interest -- -- we go against all the people you know the big oil companies in the all the money that's going into -- spreading the mean that.
This is not real when it clearly is.
Usual way you confront power but he doesn't education.
Sort deductions that are appropriate period traditional remains the -- that's the -- we've.
And so it slavery was ended that is the -- That women's rights were treated at the Williams and some civil rights for minorities were treated I think you can.
He -- to liberate -- anything you can think to open -- proper democracy.
It's never given as a gift.
-- you you make an interesting point in your book when you talk -- that nuclear strikes require.
Action but environmental catastrophe is defined by will -- in action which is -- so many are doing.
It's -- very.
Striking comment many years ago but I.
Social and most of psychologist who.
He pointed out he observed that -- human history.
Begin within -- act of disobedience.
And it's likely to end.
Because -- -- Non of acts of obedience.
He was talking -- about nuclear war protests and a fifty years ago but now we know that is they didn't Clinton.
But it is another looming catastrophe and we're marketing person cliff.
And between the two of them of the nuclear and there are those who believe -- nuclear power and they think it's easiest cheapest -- we have problems nuclear waste what do we do with it.
Between that and the environmental issues how dire is it in terms of the survival of the plan.
Well personally have to distinguish nuclear power from nuclear war.
You can argue about it I'm and it's debatable whether it's harmful or -- -- an argument -- it would it.
In the case of nuclear war there couldn't be any argument that the president disastrous threat to the mountain.
For years that.
Even that if there's a nuclear strike just impact of no return.
Of the aggressor would probably be destroyed.
But the environmental consequences of a nuclear serious nuclear straight.
And better than this difference between the nuclear weapons and environmental catastrophe.
The difference is that in the case of nuclear -- weapons.
-- We in the two things first we have a legal obligation.
Determined by the world -- sixteen years ago.
Serious effort to eliminate them.
And secondly we know how to -- Mitigate or maybe eliminate.
Pretty dire threat of nuclear war.
It -- it unfortunately we're escalating at a minute -- -- And it is an environmental.
And catastrophe it is it's uncertain whether we even have the means to deal with the but one thing we can be confident -- The longer we wait to have some -- we -- Our obedient -- and the -- of the problems notably for her children and grandchildren.
Which -- with professor Noam Chomsky who is written.
Actually dialogue with Larry with a rate -- Nuclear war environmental catastrophe.
I -- -- with great interest and if you did win all Internet.
-- talking about the attack on civil liberties the last thing we kind of expected from the Obama administration a U.
Shocked that this administration has done some of the things like the ND AA.
And and some of the other actions it's taken including.
The time within which one can be Moran dies or cannot be -- dies before as we saw on the arrest of the Boston bomb.
While there actually to be quite frank I never expected anything of Obama.
I wrote about him quite critical even before -- -- 2008 primary.
And I -- for the I tended to agree quickly.
Advertising industry -- political put.
Right after the 22008 election.
The advertising industry to -- additional consideration -- that advertisers had its annual meeting.
And in that meeting that -- always so were given award for the best marketing company in the year.
And they gave it to Obama team speed apple computers yeah they had a pretty straight so it didn't really expect much and haven't been all the let's -- with a lot of things he -- that if and then it correctly alienated -- a good part of it is constituents and I'm not there -- some good things outside a 100% all full book.
This is not an admirable record but one thing that has surprised me.
-- -- there comes civil war.
Crimes including condemn any problem.
The -- That the example you mentioned does want me.
Kind of interesting though the administration react to good that they provision.
In the end days it's.
Contended that has to do with a bit.
The Gramm took a right to indefinite.
Without trial American citizens yeah and there's infected.
-- -- -- -- -- -- I got older vs humanitarian law project are much -- came in which is another case I don't know I don't -- the -- one.
Which is not discussed very much.
-- the -- the humanitarian law project.
Of the administration brought a case ultimately -- the Supreme Court and they won.
Which extended the consulate.
Material assistance to terrorists alleged terrorist -- The question -- about alleged -- -- commercial worth looking at the granting that.
A material systems used to mean something like do you know -- -- my god.
But the Obama administration expanded it to speech.
In the case in question.
The humanitarian law project was giving legal or put.
To a group troops on the Obama terror list and didn't spend enough Turkish group the PKK.
Kurdish rebel group.
The and that's actually look at colloquy that it was associated with -- -- Of them the background.
Prominent enough so that it might easily be interpreted for the future -- citizen.
Meaning that if you.
-- if you can't if you're in contact with food.
Someone on the terrorist list for the researcher.
Inquiry do you have besides that and incidentally and then.
Or and you give them advice to -- -- -- nonviolent acts.
And that -- pretty.
The board put a video but Obama admin.
-- -- very the very -- -- just meeting with a group to try to get them to to be better actors.
Could get -- arrested.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well that's contact.
And -- it could be you know -- lawyer could argue that it's now or are under.
I don't think about different approaches to judgment that's an extreme.
Step tacked on elementary civil rights some kind of surprises listeners -- more.
I'm glad you brought it up and one other issue -- doctor Chomsky is do we know that renditions taking place under this administration we know we knew it took place under bush is it still happen.
It probably does clears.
-- -- -- -- very sick and important book which just came out but it Germany skated over them marvelous investigative reporting.
On the ground and the -- absolutely.
-- that the drone attacks basically terrorist campaign.
And the traditional auction and -- competitor and it's certainly that the security operations command -- -- secret.
Moralists secret army of the executives.
And it's pretty horrifying and according that he gives.
It brings up some evidence that indicates that.
Brendan and maybe still going on people undercover special little moment.
-- of reducing select your latest is a nuclear war and environmental catastrophe.
Professor Noam Chomsky thank you so much for talking there -- so I appreciate it very much.
Hey thanks for your time.
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