Power Play 5/3/2013
How bad was Benghazi botch? Economic news shapes debate in Washington. Plus - How will Congress handle immigration?
May 3, 2013
David Drucker, Julie Roginsky, Dan Conston
How bad was Benghazi botch? Economic news shapes debate in Washington. Plus - How will Congress handle immigration?
May 3, 2013
David Drucker, Julie Roginsky, Dan Conston
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I think he's not either not well briefed.
Or should have been and should have been more involved in it because.
It's a little embarrassing when they pressing United States says something that.
Really isn't very logical.
-- statements of logical fallacy.
Accusation of look logical fallacy came from John McCain who was.
On the record with Greta Van Susteren and this is power -- what Senator McCain was referring to there was president not knowing about knowing stuff.
As it relates to the investigation can -- The attack through September 11 2012.
Attacked by Islamist militants on the US consulate in Benghazi Libya.
Things are moving things are a foot on that we will talk about that today.
We will talk also.
About today's jobs numbers they're good.
Dish -- we didn't lose any ground.
Moving forward that's good.
But how will the economy and the debate about the economy shape the rest of the debates in Washington.
We will talk about that we will also talk about.
Immigration what does that -- gonna do about this right now they're waiting for the senate to get their act get a -- will -- have -- what will they do and how can they act to prevent Republicans.
From getting a big blow -- in the face on this subject.
-- if they can't we'll do all that and have a very special and probably my favorite power points ever today we'll do all that on this Friday.
Half -- -- addition of power plant.
Good -- fashion.
Order in place on Friday even if it even it is a beautiful spring -- is David Drucker.
You know David -- because he is what is your title roll -- senior and -- senior editor and he's not that old so congratulations thank you.
I think there I think it's like that felt like it's like that worst week in Washington revelations or something congratulations left you don't look at day over sixty good for a senior editor all right David.
So you've written about this by the I should point is that you David writes.
For her four roll call a -- is -- it daily feature.
Occasional isn't up to the minute sort of once or twice -- day.
Long entry in the inside the -- some.
Some of my editors the non senior editors try -- let's indeed writing too long person's performance.
But they're like the content and I think -- -- -- -- -- right and people like make him go steal from it but yes and it's harder to see because it's much longer so I can -- of that -- -- you wrote about.
Correct yes that's what -- that's my contribution.
To the collective -- big and the collective thank you all right so one of the things you've written about and -- -- -- you call it.
GO gears or do you call it gophers.
It is officially known as stoppers.
But I do not our -- checked against people who called Q Peters yeah koppers.
Hey hey it's the Internet and -- -- somebody wants that I'd only come off.
Right they did things get weird out on the Internet are right so David the question is this the Republicans.
Feel let the Republicans got their biscuits burned on Ben -- -- during the 2012 election.
The president played successful leave Mitt Romney played in unsuccessfully pressed got -- Romney got -- out Candy Crowley helped.
And it didn't never happen the -- thing that Republicans -- would put a check in the president's armor on foreign policy didn't know.
And but payback -- you know what right.
That's correct and one of the things that has happened since last we spoke about this is fox is done a lot of original and new reporting that so actually I think create.
Problematic questions politically for the administration -- existed.
During the waning days of campaign alone what you know a lot of people -- to be an effort from the Twitter and it's on this.
What do you mean it's only now political problem clearly you're -- journalists from what I mean by that is that.
For everything that we knew.
Before Election Day.
There was a lot it was unclear.
There was not enough reporting at that really got to the heart -- what you know might exist and I think with this latest reporting when you're talking about.
The potential for whistle blowers who have been blocked from testifying.
When you're now seeing the State Department investigate its own reports yet.
These are the things that cover everybody starts to talk about what the president's role.
It is as opposed to what happened before which is look this is just horrible attack and even if he -- political -- -- you.
It's hard for small for a political opposition candidate to make.
A political point out of it it's very tricky -- and number two.
There's just a lot more information now and now you have -- in the House of Representatives not focus on its own reelection but they have time to hold all kinds of hearings yeah.
And they're going to.
And so this is why I think out his reasons the level of potential problem.
And as we saw with the last president and his second term.
With sort of scandal -- sort of involve the State Department actually.
It's not so much that the president's gonna end up being.
-- whole mobile.
But it just chips away at the idea of confidence and in an administration.
And this may not happen with Obama they made you know -- answer a lot of questions for a lot of -- -- -- and it'll sort of go away but it may not you see those set talking points that Steve has got to -- for the weekly standard -- That that look really good.
-- this is where.
The be the iterations of the talking points for -- rise.
Steve -- got that weekly standard got his hands on is basically it shows.
Bold statement about terrorism -- that over time gets edited down to.
Spontaneous attack video.
Are Americans kind of to blame for this by providing the yet the the raw material for the islamists to exploit.
And all that stuff it it it tends to indicate as you said.
At the very best the Obama team was being quite political yet.
And I wouldn't act by the way I would have any doubt that he is his.
White House team and his political team made sure he was protected yeah along you don't tell the boss what what is potentially different now as this goes from.
Unfortunate incident and people complaining about your response to make you could have actually done something about this and you just completely.
Mismanaged it as it was happening and that is a huge.
Difference you know it's one thing to say.
-- administration made a bunch of decision is that that ultimately made this possible vs.
As it turns out maybe he could have stopped some of this from happening -- was happening sending troops.
Made different real time decisions and then questions go to why weren't willing to do that.
Or something or something or you know it goes to -- incompetence level I always thought.
You know there's there's there's one thing in some ways it can be worse for an administration and the scandal and that's the idea that you pump.
-- well and especially if the scandal becomes what you did to conceal and competence correct and we're excited -- so -- we're in a second term and I always think.
That the Washington -- for is always more will lean and sort of excited to get.
And being arrested in a second term this goes you know for even though I Iran Contra this goes for both parties every -- I know how people feel that the media but.
Second term people sort of say wait a minute here -- I'm bored.
But I've been shut me out for like 56 years you know I don't have to worry about.
Access on the going anywhere you're kind of a lame -- in my -- I'm just gonna report things and this is something else I think.
The president has to contend with that he didn't have to contend with.
Well whatever you think of the Media General please hold this gentleman honesty because he's good at what he does and whatever they call it.
Whatever they call it his writing on the thinking of Republicans and where they're going with stuff.
I'm keeping one step ahead.
Washington coverage there there we thank them thanks Chris quite so all right now Internet.
I failed you I mean in many ways over time.
The way that I -- you today is that I had not yet posted.
Two good -- my column for the day on the topic of -- -- but that is going to happen.
That is going to happen in fact let's take a little break so I can do that out of away from your prying eyes and when we come back.
I will in fact.
Be joined by a couple of very bright analysts who talk about the consequence.
Not only of today's unemployment numbers but also in general.
What is the effect of the economic discussion on what's going on in Washington.
-- do that when we come back.
-- -- -- Experience that no government program alone can take the place of a great -- -- She knows that what we can do is to give every business and every worker of the best possible chance to succeed by making America a magnet for good jobs.
That was President Obama yes today.
Announcing the appointment of one penny Pritzker and longtime political patron in Pittsburgh is -- -- that -- -- fast.
To be secretary.
Of commerce I believe I think that's right.
And this is powered by and I'm -- I -- -- we have new jobs numbers out today be the job market -- about what people were expecting.
Jobs were added last month the unemployment rate ticked down.
Of the top unemployment rate ticked down showed the economy held itself the job market held its own.
Four -- the month of April that's good news but there -- some disturbing signs.
What about that inner connectedness between the overall health of the economy.
What's going on in Washington how the economy affect what happens in Washington and -- what happens in Washington affect the economy.
You know who knows where these -- or at least can fake it until they may get -- I've been constant -- of communications director for the American action network you guys you this policy it lock it lock.
We do they do -- -- jet ski deals with whatever we throw her -- this is why we -- You're currently -- you are so fond of her.
Julie -- -- one of the since Juli is former communications director Jon -- -- -- -- Fox News contributor she is a delightful Democrat -- welcome back.
Thanks so much.
Or are you prepared to delight us I say the delay you -- every chance to have this is good this -- I woke up with a goal in mind today.
This is what the Internet looking for all right so -- -- I don't think that's a bit and that's looking.
But what we're America and America but now he's -- right we don't like to talk about it with the Internet and leave -- And we're not providing enough for them this -- -- good morning.
The tie is the only thing that's coming off RA all right so Julie question.
President and I can be pleased.
That what was expected to be maybe a kind of dire jobs report.
For the month of April was was okay right.
Yeah I mean not only that but -- revise drastically revised upward.
The February march numbers and that's why I think the market's going nuts today in a good way.
Look at me -- this is not to say that things are good they're not mean we still have a tremendous unemployment problem in this country but it seems that things are slowly seeping back sent.
Location this I wouldn't say they're greats but they're getting slightly better which I think -- In this Great Recession passes for good news and I suppose.
Defining deviancy down her -- it in in these economic times right out near the end of one of the things that we talked about I mean for months it was annoying.
We talked about how Washington dysfunction.
Higher taxes as a result of the system -- the economy was was gonna -- wither up and and blow away so that didn't happen.
So it -- yeah I didn't want to.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I think it's modestly good report if it's good news -- unemployment is down it's good news jobs are up but you look.
Closer and you've got the lowest.
Labor force in the history of the country labor force -- just -- You've got now ours down as well and look -- history of the country like.
Doing well these days they -- -- -- -- -- -- incident controller chip program.
Bomb but the other piece is that ours are down to in this report and that's likely -- a reflection of obamacare compliance.
And that's a problem and that's gonna continue to be a problem.
It's hard to do -- win the economy is bad people won't talk about anything but the economy that is what moved in time -- time we have seen it.
Billy let's talk about if if unemployment going up in the economy is going down nobody wants -- about anything else.
Does having at least.
Economic performance increase the possibility for dealing with these other noneconomic issues like immigration.
Yeah I mean look.
We've been dealing with stuff even when the economy was really bad that was not just on the economy you know we we we have.
People he looking chew gum and then walked to the same time so I guess you know.
We're gonna talk about the economy to some extent a solid job one no pun intended but today but yet integration -- by the way that people might make an argument would contribute to the economy's -- -- You know it is an economic imperative it is an economic imperative very -- -- -- combat but never never remember this -- -- -- if you want something whatever happens will be taken up as evidence that it is the right thing to do.
Of course this is this is that this this is are you -- are are you giving up our whole -- -- pundit Mary.
Came here that's the playbook that's the playbook I can't I can't let them know it just like that that's crazy -- it's it's.
You know what the Internet doesn't help they won't they won't -- Japanese.
Again the quiz question for you.
If the president's argument that sequestration.
Would be bad for the economy isn't true and if the Republican argument that tax increases will hurt the economy doesn't seem to be true.
What what happens in the budget debate so I I don't know did.
A small tax increase this past January actually.
Didn't have that much effect but it would.
I don't think he you can make the case then it.
A big tax increase is not gonna.
Unfortunately what -- Obama's doing now with tax reform he looks at you know the idea tax form and he thinks it's just raising taxes -- that can't be how to go.
So I think -- in terms of the debt ceiling obviously -- number of cases where they can go first -- past keystone XL we know that that's a job creator.
To let's deal with the regulatory onslaught.
It's a disaster right now it's time that something like the -- packets through.
-- -- That's deranged -- will lead to require that all regulations are a hundred million dollars that affect the economy to a hundred million dollar degree.
Would have to get congressional approval.
You know that -- go past the time that's passed the house.
There's a lot of stuff -- jamaat all right Julie big finish 323.
Days from Brooklyn.
So today which -- exactly right down the -- Exactly so big -- says this about the economy it's not a hit.
It's a slow burn talking about are you feeling the hit for the struggling economy is question that -- it's a slow burn.
And -- take a long time to heal.
Now there's downside -- -- but there's upside politically too isn't there because.
People have lowered expectations -- you were talking about earlier about how the -- how the economy should be performed.
Kind of like Lindsay Lohan getting Syria have -- you Jesus movement gets there you don't really care how she does anymore you just -- -- to show up but that's kind of how we -- about the economy after all these years look think that.
-- Vinny is right -- -- in a disagreement and I mean things are not great nobody can go out there and say they are in and yet diminished expectations.
Is certainly the name of the game if -- ecstatic that the economy is in a seven point 5% unemployment.
I guess that's better than than 10% to was what it was almost 10% but it but it -- not the 5% and but administration yes but it's still not well.
I don't know administration -- promised 5% but I mean it's not full project.
-- -- -- They projected that under that if this stimulus were put -- -- bias.
Hearing your talking to the girls thought stimulus did not do nearly enough so I don't know why they thought it was gonna get 5% I don't know.
I don't know as -- wolf and last question and that quick to question.
Is is fairly simple.
Does the president need to do something that looks.
Did does he need to do some fiscal reform now does this increase the opportunity for fiscal reform quickly and we'll start with you -- Absolutely yes the president's legacy right now is one health care -- it is been a disaster that his own party says is a trainer.
So who we've got sixteen trillion in debt I think.
Now is the time there is dirt it's gonna be eight diminishing window yes that's really what say you.
Well you know the president can say everything he wants to do what he's -- certainly hammering a -- passing a jobs bill because they're Republicans -- do that so you know until Republicans have this epiphany where.
Just because the president says the sky's blue they have to say the skies black.
We're not getting anything done and that's and that's my very pessimistic Friday morning message to you.
-- -- -- -- I don't know how it is that you can be so cheerfully pessimistic and blossom it's perfect it's.
Positively pessimist I'm I'm excited to kill -- I know the older now.
It's Friday don't say that that thank you Julie thanks so much that.
And thank you Dan thanks for being -- that's a good weekend okay Internet.
Let's take a break so you can compose yourself because when we come back we will have a congressman.
Here well not here.
But it out there.
And we'll talk to him.
About what's gonna happen with immigration.
What is this house going to do.
Do they just try to return serve from the senate -- they waited out -- days are passing legislation of their own talk about that when we come back.
So stick around.
Is Marco Rubio he's a senator from Florida part of the -- he's won eight of the gang of eight.
And this is what he had to say about the immigration -- Package put forward by said -- he said.
The bill that's in place right now probably can't pass the house that's what he told Mike Gallagher -- a radio show host this is power play so what's the point.
If that I don't think can't pass the house what's the point passing it through the senate now -- -- -- know Jeff flake.
The more conservative parts of that octagon.
Say that the -- is now is time to amend the bill started the process and intuitive process working with the house back and forth to -- something over a long period of time that will address the concern.
But Candace stick around that long and what is the house going to do about that.
So let's ask one of those house Republicans Internet please meet Scott -- he is a Republican congressman from Western Pennsylvania congressman welcome.
Hello how are you get guys today great to be here good -- things on -- Well I think they're pretty good.
And you know -- so I hope so talking about immigration.
With the congress gonna do what I've been in some of the listening sessions where.
I advocated -- course I come from and -- Pennsylvania has a significant -- Belden and of course we got a lot of migrant workers and and temporary workers here from other countries and that's great we know employers know employees now and citizens know the system's broken.
You know I think even though Marco Rubio as the Peruvians say that it wouldn't pass the house says it you know that that's not really hard to figure out quite honestly that happened instead it starts the discussion.
The house is gonna pass its own legislation and we're -- to use what the senate senate over as kind of a Bellwether of what can pass now.
I think there are some folks that are interest in comprehensive there -- a lot of folks that are interest in fixing parts of it but because the word comprehensive when it's linked to immigration kind of has a negative tone over time we been here before in the mid eighties.
And the house is very aware of that and we don't want to make the same mistakes of the past I think that what you will see evidence house will be pared down.
That's significantly from the senate wants to do and maybe even will be a package of bills as opposed to one omnibus thing that handles everything.
And it's going to be very strictly focused on first of all securing the nation's borders.
And and setting up a metric where we understand recording because right now we -- -- the Department of Homeland Security.
We don't know what's included and who sent home who's here how long they've been here they cook the books it seems like I asked.
He's what seems to be easy questions.
Wait for instance the question about.
Deportations are set to beat up and we just found out and within the last week and a half it's there there -- -- at record levels because.
This current administration.
It's including folks -- they turn around at the border which individually are typically work ever included in deportations in the past so.
So what we need to get a metric that we all understand and as simple and that we can measure results by and and so I think you're gonna see that as more of at least the initial things coming out of the house we understand -- at the same time that we do.
Completely heavy handed enforcement.
It really hurts businesses and it hurts individuals that are here for it better here illegally -- well so.
So we want to take maybe more piecemeal approach and probably smaller approach but wouldn't we want to get something done.
But we're also vary anything this -- amnesty -- of amnesty has no chance of passing in the house.
We're coming up in the house in my opinion and so.
That's really where does that concern -- and of course are a lot of folks that are looking -- idea.
The gang of eight bill coming out of the senate and amnesty continues to be part of the conversation which is problem back.
And -- of amnesty is the least popular fragrance line ever -- -- -- -- -- congressman thank you for informing us about the true.
-- of Pennsylvania we did not know about that so we thank you very much -- that we thank you for making time for us today.
If you were from fox chapel you -- already but if you don't various thank you congressman.
Thank you very much -- a great day.
You two okay Internet that was good and it's probably not trying to spin northwestern that's probably probably not humans know that OK so.
On the hunt with Jonathan Hunt is up next but how.
Some -- -- -- -- points would you like to have some -- from our points well you're getting -- whatever you today's parent what what a prince.
It was on this date in 1469.
In the city state of Florence feel -- -- That -- low Machiavelli was born yes -- -- such.
Important I guess you'd have to say Renaissance political thinker I was born influences his birthday happy birthday.
Mid -- low.
So here is your first PowerPoint on Machiavelli is birthday.
Fear and -- that.
Fear and loathing so -- give LA was a politician before he was a political theorist and -- even led the militia.
Inside the what was that -- Republican -- now words and cities states and -- all across Italy was going -- it was.
You've seen the -- family of all of this stuff is going on.
Talk about political chaos he was a ranking political officials inside the city state which was at that time unlike most of the others -- republic.
And then he lost his side lost and he was -- tortured.
By the growth as it was said in those days com.
But his hands above his head to dislocating his shoulders and all of that bad stuff when the Medici -- took control absolute control.
Of what was going on in Florence.
When he was in his twenties so imprisoned tortured that's not a great way to go out of your political career but he was a good writer.
And he took his retreat.
And started writing plays comedies and this political philosophy so.
Second -- -- not ridiculous for the moment it looks at that Machiavelli taught that the ends justify the means it better be feared than loved and all of that stuff.
Was maybe joking that it was a satire on the new rulers of Florence no.
No third PowerPoint kids seductive justification.
Machiavelli was talking about -- states -- argument the creation of a new state in arguing that the end would justify the means.
In order to have a kind of leadership of the republic.
That he thought was worthwhile that kind of seductive justification is still very much alive in politics today is that it is.
Those are your power points for today and now as we like to do every day a word from our French -- And if it turns out they were people who are material witnesses who could have known stuff.
That was important who were turned away rather than perhaps either ignored or.
And there was some negligence involved.
But if there was sort of act of turning away is a way to protect the administration.
Then you've got to schedule on -- --
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