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And the next debt ceiling showdown is -- but this time the fight could pit Democrats -- Republicans and also perhaps against some fellow Democrats.
So what's the sticking point Democrat has been crisp and how -- -- ranking member of the House Budget Committee joins us I -- is there great to -- grab a baby GOP wants to -- an increase -- nation's debt -- to passage of an overhaul of the tax -- your post -- right -- The said correctly stating -- some.
Reports are forward actually not clear what our Republican colleagues want with respect to the debt -- right now they've got this so called that prior position bill.
I commend you for the house this coming week that says United States will pay some of its bills.
But not other bills which I think is a cockamamie idea and would hurt our credit rating.
And then there are reports that they want to say well we're only -- say the United States will pay its bills if you do tax reform.
And I should be clear and we're happy to discuss -- -- I want everybody wants -- to simplify the tax code that should be in the context of budget negotiations tell me what the connection is.
Between reducing our deficits and debt.
And the Republican version of tax reform and we just no connection that they've made and what we actually haven't heard from the directly on this spot.
I think probably the reason why they connect if I can speak for them on this is that.
Is -- in Washington -- don't get done much to put seven hammered somebody's head and other things that can someone really wants something he really wants something -- to try to put them together -- get it done.
-- -- we've seen even like look at sequester was it was an effort to try to do that.
But obviously that didn't work out too well because said that didn't prevent sequestration from happening.
The draconian effects but it's -- insisting that in the -- -- Senator.
Baucus has indicated that he's.
Willing to talk about linking the -- silly with overhauling the tax.
Well I think he's been silent on that issue he wants to -- capture four I think we'd all be happy and willing to look at tax reform.
The place to do that is in the context of the budget negotiations so.
The house has passed a budget.
The senate has a budget.
The next step is you know.
Is to have a budget negotiation and -- why hasn't that happened last given some reconciliation who who makes -- decision to pull -- trigger and having a reconciliation well the speaker of the house has to name conferees.
Harry Reid is thirty tried to name conferees.
He asked for unanimous consent of the senate.
He was blocked.
Let's look at this unanimous consent can't can to get his name is conferees now he can't he has to get there's a process you go through and in the house is worth asking as we speak the word the -- -- let us all go to conference and he has refute this.
To a point -- countries and move on so despite all the talk about.
No budget no pay.
Right now it's just a fact that the speaker of the house is standing in the way of going -- conference on the budget.
So you tell me that -- this speaker battered today said the use of the people I'm naming to go to conference to represent us in a conference that that would take that would -- the budget for another step that he only impediment to the next step in discussing the budget the two house in the -- Yes absolutely -- Democrats are prepared today to join the speaker naming conferees we said that we've written a letter.
Harry Reid has tried to get permission to appoint conferees in the senate.
He was blocked.
From getting -- consent the other day senator Toomey objected.
So yes -- I mean it is a little bit confusing for us after all these months and years of our Republican colleagues understandably.
Complained the senate didn't have a budget.
That now that they do have a budget they are resisting idea going to -- Yeah it's a survey inches so watch it from the sidelines as they do it's like everybody blames everybody else and it's like you know the Republicans complained about the senate not -- a budget.
Three years four years and they didn't.
And now I hear from you that -- -- in the budget and going forward is the reconciliation and that and what stands in the -- is the speaker.
Naming his conferees it while I'm not -- I'm not making this up I mean I -- So I anyways yeah it is it.
-- the American people watches you know the only reason we have sequestration.
Is because for whatever reason the house of the senate the president.
Couldn't get it together in our disappointing eleventh.
So you know and analysts are hoping that putting the sequestration overall your -- -- would somehow force all of you to like get together and talk that didn't happen with sequestration whether people like or don't like it.
-- and now we have another stop here at.
That is disappointing.
And I've proposed a bill in the house to replace sequestration.
With an equal amount of deficit reduction but what -- what we consider -- more targeted way.
Having gotten a chance have a vote on it I've tried four times just have a vote I'm not asking speaker Boehner to vote for Greta I just -- asking for a vote.
To replace sequester because we see these disruptive impacts on the economy.
And we should.
Do better I -- I hope we can all come together if they stay agreed to vote on things.
Heisman thank you so nice to see him good to see you.