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Welcome back to on the -- I'm Jonathan Hunt tomorrow the house committee on oversight and government reform.
We'll hold a hearing into the attacks on -- consulate.
In Benghazi Libya last September those attacks of course took the lives all -- four Americans including.
Our ambassador Chris Stevens that has been a lot of tall recently and ever since the attacks.
Really a back whether the administration did enough whether there will military assets.
In the region that could golf day in time to make a difference to perhaps save.
Those American lives -- -- Oscar major general Bob scales now retired of the US army folks he's military analyst at his thoughts on that.
General great to see you thank you for being good to see you Jonathan -- I was reading.
Some the comments she made this morning.
And very interested I expected you to say.
-- many others have said.
That we could have done -- we could've got military assets in that to help.
Those beleaguered Americans -- -- use that don't surprise me you you seem to think no it it was almost impossible to do that.
No actually the bottom line Jonathan is I'm not sure.
Look let let me give this to you from a military rather than a political perspective that would be a pleasant change from the debate in -- Okay there there are three issues here number one is.
Could the special forces soldiers to Tripoli have got the big -- in time and make a difference that's issue number one issue number two is the airplane issue.
Could they have flown a fighter jets say over the NX had been Ghazi and done some good and number three is the so called.
Sinks in extremists force or CIA have could they have gotten there in time.
To take down the insurgents before the two contractors were killed the -- the first two week in general -- write off.
Even if those four guys would have gotten they are very quickly all they had were small arms and by the time they got to the addicts they could very well have fallen victim to the mortar attack.
The airplane issue I think it's off the table because there were no jets -- -- now lob which is the closest surveys and the closest -- Airport to -- respond with fighter jets was Dhabi on -- -- Italy that's a thousand miles away there were no tankers the F sixteen couldn't get there.
Now the issue is CIA half and here's where it.
Really gets confusing Jonathan if you look at it from the top down all my sources in the Pentagon who have been in the past.
-- tell me that no.
There were three cif.
Bits and pieces one was in Rota Spain one was in -- one was actually Croatia.
-- the one they tagged to do this was in Croatia because it was the only member of the CIA -- it CIA Upton had a heavy weapons the the AT -- the machine guns the anti tank weapons that you need in order to be effective and they had enough manpower.
And the official version is that.
That by the time they got wind of this second attack they couldn't got they couldn't have gotten there in time and if you do the time line according to official sources.
That -- checks out now.
That doesn't explain why the others -- units weren't weren't called -- and why they were according to.
To the a tactical authorities if you're going to hear about tomorrow why they were told quote to stand out.
Now that's a political decision and I'm not an expert on that but I will tell yeah.
When you run the numbers the only force that could have intervened effectively was a CIA up.
And the one that the Pentagon chose to choose for that -- chose for the job was in Croatia and they were too far away.
So it once it -- would be you'll if you are sitting on that committee general tomorrow walks the first question you would ops good question.
What I would ask is.
Have you talked to the people who actually work on the ground and did this at the tactical level.
Have you talked to pilots have you talked a special forces soldiers have you talked to people who were on the radio at the time not in the Pentagon.
Or the White House -- the State Department but on the ground.
And what -- those soldiers and airmen tell you about their timeline get very specific because.
Jonathan this is all about.
Having overwhelming force arriving in time to save those -- -- -- and that's what it comes down to and if the answer is yes.
Then we have a problem if the answer is no list as as is demonstrated by testimony from the participants.
Then we can take this off the table but to my knowledge and maybe the congressman knows differently but to my knowledge no war.
To this date has been able to open the box and go inside those tactical units and asked those questions it.
So that we -- We had some reporting on the Alden Fox News last week I'm sure you sore it.
All -- -- -- a source of one of our reporters.
Who could -- says that he was that.
In some capacity you you know we -- able to reveal exact exactly.
His location etc.
but I did he seem to believe quite strongly that some thing.
Could have been done -- what's your impression.
All of his claims.
General well this is this -- This is say.
Close -- source saw only say.
That this gentleman was not.
In the best position on the ground to offer those judgments there were people who were more closely associated with tactical decision making.
Who probably could be brought before the house and could probably give more firsthand testimony tell you.