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And those are some of the debts and obligations that you -- federal government at least those -- -- on the Internet from the United States.
Have engendered on your behalf.
And this is power -- Hi I'm Chris Farrell and the debt clock and the debt limit and the debt ceiling and -- -- one -- paying your obligations if you're a Democrat.
Or if you're Republican you're responsible saddling the children of the future with the deaths of today whatever you want to call it it's almost do.
Republicans kick the can.
On the debt ceiling in order to get through the most recent round of -- fiscal crises.
Now we are -- -- the moment it is -- now the Treasury Department can wiggle and jiggle a little bit.
And move some things around to extend the line.
But we can start the clock pretty effectively now here as we approach -- half way where it's 165.
Trillion dollars headed up to seventeen.
What will happen we'll talk about that.
We will talk also.
About the race because you know we cannot resist talking about the race for the first congressional district of South Carolina where a comedian sister faces of the former and disgraced.
Maybe overly -- if he wins.
Former governor of that state Mark Sanford we will we will talk about that elections today down South Carolina and your friend and mine Brit Hume will be here with some thoughts on the political consequences.
Of Ben Ghazi.
We would do all of that we will do it with good cheer.
And -- the capacity.
So let us begin with a double dose of both of those things in the form of Fred Barnes executive executive editor.
Executive executive editor of the weekly standard I don't have my sheets in front of but I saw I saw him so I'm flying blind here very by the -- we thank you for making time and glad to be here might supposed to bring the cheer their -- the cast of -- -- about ten in large measure I've always found good.
All right so the question is this.
The Republicans did some thing that was strategically very good for them.
When they said you know what let's not have a debt ceiling crisis.
Let's deal with -- being -- the fiscal cliff as they said and let's also deal.
With the sequestration.
Reductions are automatic reductions automatic increases in spending.
But the time is coming.
Where this fight is gonna have to happen Tom -- sent a letter to Jack -- to treasury and said.
By the way mr.
How long can we last.
On what you've got.
Well well think of the motives here.
Republicans have decided to build leading up to 2014 they do not want to engage.
With the President Obama.
They remember the debt ceiling fight in 2011 it hurt them it also hurt President Obama but he's not running again.
If and they have a lot of candidates running in 2014.
So they really don't -- -- engage.
Obama of course wants to.
Soften up Republicans for 2014 so that Democrats as it gets a long shot but to felt for them to be able to take the house and hold the senate.
And then he can get the rest of the liberal agenda through in his last two years make it like.
The first two years we got to obamacare the stimulus and all left.
Is the one who wants to handle a crisis and then be able to accuse Republicans of obstructionism.
Now that's a charge that has worked in the past you know the Gallup poll.
-- recently asked people.
What's the one thing that you like they're the least about Republicans and obstructionism they won't compromise that was the number one so.
I don't think we're gonna happen.
It becomes that much of -- fight as much as President Obama would like one.
Yeah now as much as we would assume that Treasury Secretary Lou despite.
Being one of the most political.
Politically steeped individuals to hold that office in history and history.
The giving him the benefit of the doubt.
That he will not arrange a deadline to meet the president's need that in fact try to stretch things as far as he reasonably can't.
We're still looking at and we've talked the Internet and I've talked about this.
Often which is everything fiscally this year is is the preamble.
To what happens in September when the fight occurs over -- full year budget and so we're gonna have a gap let's say the Jack -- can -- it till July.
As most people seem to think he can't and we're still looking at July.
August and September to get through before there's a four year deal do you think the Republicans will kick it again what they say well let's just slighted let's go ahead and -- it to the end of the fiscal year.
In a word yes yes I stood up I think they well because that's.
That will -- -- help them they decided that that's gonna help them.
Well the president eight is that a moment in his presidency of minimal influence.
-- -- let young but nonetheless they don't want to.
Allow him to.
They don't want to have him some grievances he can -- like obstructionism or your.
Threatening the country with.
But -- big.
That debt limit fight so.
I think it -- repulsive to Republicans.
-- are where President Obama -- They were in 2011.
And now he wished it -- it now he doesn't want them to be there he doesn't want them to make this easy for -- he wants it.
Did he really wants combat and I don't think Republicans are gonna -- that they're not they're not going to oblige -- -- When you see the in in the old days and you know Rob Portman senator from Ohio and others have talked about this.
In the old days that limits were always part of the discussion on budgets.
But they were part of the discussion and budgets what happened before this discussion.
Was that the two became disconnected in the past the debt ceiling was increased.
Commensurate to the amount of spending new deficit spending that was in a budget and that's how they did it now that you become disconnected -- do you think we're gonna reconnect those two things.
-- -- probably not -- Yeah yeah.
It's only it'll be hard to do.
You know the President Obama seems to leave some of his supporters seem to think that oh Republicans have singularly.
Have been the ones who.
Love it have made.
A big -- shin dig out of of the debt limit fight when they're always been fight so word in the past.
In that I -- that 12011 was bigger than.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I just think not this year I think there -- Republicans.
Their policy is we're not gonna let President Obama hurt us again.
The big question then remains what do you think Republicans.
Are gonna want to ultimately in exchange.
The day the Republicans you know now or were romantically involved with the sequester.
Oh yeah and now so they've gotten a lot I mean they want spending cuts and and they really.
Are not the position -- down the demand anymore.
I think they could -- done pretty much what they want and it's hard to imagine anything major you these questions but we can -- the debt limit -- tax reform and so on.
And it gets a bridge too far.
Well -- there are many bridges that I once thought too far at Washington but the last few years have said -- maybe not.
And -- know it's no agreement on what tax reforms mean -- tax reform means Republicans think it means.
He did you get rid of that well tax breaks broaden the base and reduce income tax rates Obama thinks -- he likes the first -- -- you raise the rates.
Greg David then this -- and we've talked -- Jim -- and we've done it several times.
The issue here is.
That everybody -- tax reform is the way out of the current problem Republicans though are drawing a line to say.
No net increase you can reform taxes all you want but the net amount of taxes paid for anybody can't go -- -- they'll probably find some wiggle room on that -- It's a little bit but but not much I mean this is what historically tax reform is going back to 1986 in particular the last -- we -- a big tax reform bill that loop where you did have.
-- The bipartisanship.
Democrats -- -- it and then.
It was a it was the same thing there that's the whole idea that the Republicans think this is the definition.
-- tax reform you don't actually raise.
You raise taxes in the ideas to get -- -- -- all the loopholes and reduced tax rates.
Along with cheerful person Cassidy personified Fred Barnes we thank you for making conference -- the Internet we appreciate you elect.
You will enjoy this these couple of your good friends are right around the corner to talk about Mark Sanford -- because we can't resist it.
Because we don't get that many elections these days so don't judge -- so harshly Internet okay so we'll do that when we come back cystic Iraq.
-- -- he skipped town to be with business sometimes staying.
-- even ask -- sling yeah and and we send our taxpayer dollars I'm self I really was just playing -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And that.
Was an ad from a democratic super pac the house majority -- That's running and ran in south Carolina's first congressional district which is a lovely little slice of America down there on the coast of South Carolina down into the which means he -- fanciest suburbs north of Charleston.
And this is power play now what the news was that democratic super -- breaking to the constituents of that district who are voting in a special Election Day that Mark Sanford had an affair -- they knew.
They knew they true.
So can't Sanford survived that -- and -- as you saw there.
Well back -- surprisingly effective challenger in the form.
Comedian Stephen will be your sister.
Who goes by Colbert bush she -- him and bush.
Can now what's going to happen down there today South Carolina politics are awesome so we should not deny ourselves the opportunity to talk about it.
With your friends you know -- dangle she is -- president.
Jonathan Bolivia who for your purposes today -- thing or two about super Max right.
And special and special election that's right that's right good because you're with crossroads right and so we'll start with you since that you have some experience.
How these things go that democratic -- I was part of a push at the end that is the race remains close you.
Going into today despite Stanford's baggage of Democrats tried to remind folks including Colbert bush in person in their debate when my folks have -- Stanford's checkered past.
Yeah I think there -- two things wrong with that at first of all the -- rubbing in the personal stuff that everybody -- knows about.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Because if that.
Voter ends up voting for the Republican in 2014 in November and we're talking about holding a seat for fourteen months and we're talking about spending millions of dollars on a special election.
To hold the seat for just fourteen months that revert back to the Republicans and a couple years and I think that that's probably why you haven't seen the NRC seen a lot of Republican groups for a lot of money into the.
Both sides -- always find these kinds of phrases irresistible what's the democratic leaning district in upstate new York and Republicans say all we could just get it there and spent enough money and do something it could be a Bellwether or harbinger for things to come in the national attention will be out of people talk themselves into spending a lot of money -- -- the -- right this is that interest thing because this is interesting because of the who's in it at the comedian sister and that Mark Sanford but it's not dangerous thing because of what it means for the national conscious.
Yeah I disagree with you in the is that psychologically to pick up that seat while Lauria knows there's enough.
They engage on all sides of this and valuation does ever an identity and they didn't you see the culprits have -- yeah yeah.
Really tries to escape you know I -- -- career for thirty some years.
But you're not related you know -- Didn't -- but it we -- and on behalf of curve which for the Democrats being big victory in mid Michigan -- she did a good job you never now we'd certainly be what we -- very competitive seats 60%.
Democratic without fail we'll certainly be a target race win Democrats win it tonight you all the trying to win it back.
Next time -- it it's it it's a theory inches deep mid election -- it's a bigger step down.
-- demeanor again.
Well yeah but its -- I mean it's -- it's a great story in terms everybody knows the Sanford story.
And -- -- bush that the Republicans were dismissing -- just some.
Sister of a celebrity.
Has turned out that she's got boxing she's pretty good candidate -- it the issue there -- that the last two special elections were up in New York State.
-- -- under your morality 2011.
Parties came in spent millions of dollars she had to see for fourteen months and and the Republicans went right back Bob Turner in that seat in Brooklyn the Anthony Weiner seat Republicans when they want to see they made a point and nine months later they lost the seat and we have to wonder whether or not holding that seat for just nine months.
As opposed to holding it in perpetuity is really worth the millions of dollars that that folks are willing to use but look.
We got a lot of consultants out there that are trying to make ends meet and off here you can't let me.
-- -- -- -- -- -- But these races and anything -- do you think that Mark Sanford didn't make him mistake won't go -- Like yeah yeah it's -- then again three filed another lawsuit about transparency we wouldn't have that.
It would yet really complicated -- -- meet people questioned judgment.
The evidently that also kind of brings it the focus back the whole entire focus is races is Mark Sanford you know I mean this isn't a bigger this is the picture this is what Charlie Cook and Stu Rothenberg here every political analyst recognizes that this is not a bigger government and we don't think Hillary is we don't think Hillary Clinton's carried the district -- placing it -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- About 88 yeah he's been.
But you know what's -- -- for Sanford.
It's good dude -- persuade able voter.
In this on the -- issue seems not to be the one that is morally opposed to his conduct.
But the one who finds his conduct simply -- For example there have been many politicians who have divorced or -- -- -- -- -- personal lives that have gone on to great success even in conservative states.
That has happened Newt Gingrich in fact comes to mind who won the South Carolina primary as it -- very colorful past.
Big Bill Clinton.
But will -- yes and quite quite what he's a Democrat that's different.
This but the it seems that its efforts case the weirdness of at all and the disappearing on the Appalachian trail and all of that stuff to -- Continually get it does it he didn't clean up exactly what he's standing by his woman the new woman who -- -- oh.
As the world's fair that's that's -- question for four.
Power play the Argentina game but good and -- -- my right here that -- for those who are on the fence right voters here on the fence it's about the conduct as a.
Relates to the office and being weird.
Not necessarily about the moral -- I think that's it I think the voters are generally willing to -- -- kind of look over moral indiscretions when I don't think that there is easily either ability easily look over -- like using the state -- Or using the state troopers to help you know addicted to to -- about the -- I think that that's that that's that's -- his issue that is really tight.
He could end up winning if it -- many Indians are winning this.
And I know a lot of that departing British just hoping that it's not super late night where -- -- announced after recount which I've done in the past which is a result yeah yeah he -- T shirts yes yes I do like what hit.
You're watching this election meaning later if you don't enters your vote could win -- if you don't really come down to just a few -- but I.
I would make this observation I don't think enough people are talking about -- Massachusetts which actually I think it's far better Bellwether of what may really be happening in this country.
Instead it really is far more closer than most people -- Posters and PDT by the way has pull out they're gonna gubernatorial race in Massachusetts next year who's the front -- Scott Brown so as it.
It's they've it has just get cleared out that I and start looking at -- stories and I think there's some things happening out -- we need -- -- -- you you know I'm gonna ask you to predict so we'll start with you daddy who's gonna win.
I don't think Mark Sanford when I think of because I think he'll lose he will lose it's a Republican electorate I just having it be really mad.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- This our place says there will be a creek that Bradley Effect in which people have not been telling pollsters that they were really gonna vote for mark Sanford and then he will.
Think the win narrowly and remember this the big river in South Carolina -- the congaree.
That is actually I'm not kidding and Indian word for scraping bottom so this sense that I just.
I'm just saying just putting it out there but we were definitely at the top of the -- with you guys thanks for this interview we ever gonna take a quick break.
Because I need to get myself get a Brit Hume is going to be here and I better have my eight game when he shows up -- you do the same and stick around.
Of all the things I've seen -- is sickening and depressing and disgusting as anything I've seen that is not the American way we had people there were there were getting killed.
We had people who are willing to risk their wives to go save them and somebody told them to stand down.
That was Jason -- -- he's a Republican congressman from you to off -- Sean Hannity on Hannity last night and this is power play welcome back.
Now the search for the truth.
As it relates to what happened -- Ben Ghazi Libya on September 11 2012.
Is going to get a big boost tomorrow when there are hearings the house oversight committee as Republican led committee tries to find out.
What the truth may be in what some whistle blowers and others have said.
I really went on in the decisions that -- made but there were brought political consequences in this even for the point -- election in the person of one Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Somebody who knows about such contours especially as they relate to the house of Clinton is Brit Hume but -- -- course.
The senior political analyst for the Fox News Channel and always welcome guest here mr.
-- -- -- here so.
We see in this that we now have some pretty credible.
Witnesses who have.
Parts of the story line put forward by the administration and part of the review that was done inside the State Department.
That sort of lamented the lack of preparation but didn't find fault with that in real time handling.
How -- -- the consequences if you get tubes Briscoe one of them it is.
What happened on the night and whether in fact something could've been done to try to save the lives.
And lose -- and could have been done and should have been done.
So far the reviews of bases.
-- real resentments that you know we really couldn't effective it was crazy to put anybody in line.
All of which -- at times sounded plausible means.
At least one of the witnesses from our businesses -- all kinds of things could have done and we didn't do it and it didn't.
That that's one -- core of that could could be pretty damaged.
The second line of inquiry which -- my as a political matter is -- more damaging news.
Whether in fact there was -- conscious conscious effort to.
A determined effort.
To tell -- false story to the American people about what happened now the results.
View of that was taken we'll look you know it was heated but it was a bit of fog of war heated battle this stuff happen there were conflicting reports about what was going on.
And the result was that -- -- to -- -- talking point to develop that turned out later be wrong honest mistakes.
Nothing to see here folks please move along.
Remember to vote on Tuesday November 6 well it -- election it would raise political stakes and -- the temptation.
To cover up the fact that this was a terror attack recognized as such from the jump.
The temptation to to cover that up greater.
It smells to me like the cover of from the get go Susan Rice the UN ambassadors appearance on the Sunday shows was peculiar in a number respects.
Not least of all.
That she made it right.
This is not a particularly for the world in which you have experts who she -- expertise although she was -- this is a senior official.
Secretary Clinton would have been an obvious person as a state -- and put somebody out -- a big deal like this they didn't Susan Rice did five Sunday shows.
And repeated the talking -- but it turned out to be false and now witnesses will tell us.
When they knew better.
When they knew better and that's also part of what these whistle blowers have said and Steve Hayes of the weekly standard got a very -- The iterations of the talking points and al-Qaeda.
Was there and then wasn't and four Clinton.
The original role that seemed to be laid out -- -- -- runs the department ran the department.
The original rules seem to be -- that was sort of that -- as you say there's a fog of war she sort of a bystander in the process and you know what oh my -- I'm just sorry we remember of course for her famous testimony.
Where she at this point what does it matter saying that Republicans.
We're trying to capitalize cynically trying to capitalize on this politically.
But you can only get in there -- that high minded indignation one time that's only of one availability right.
Well it's just -- her supporters in Minnesota was great to Republicans -- off.
And so she told them often questioned him her that day it was monumental inept.
Which is not a yeah.
Event on Capitol Hill as congressional interrogators.
Are frequently -- Yes and they were laying there today ahead and speechifying I think she got the best yes and she came out of it looks pretty good she left office looking pretty good.
But if she has presidential ambitions and won nearly everybody -- she does and she's widely considered all all -- -- shoo -- for her party's nomination.
And perhaps for the presidency.
-- this -- this whole episode poses real data transfer.
Because if city if it comes to be clear that she was complicit in a cover -- and an attempted.
Deliberately to mislead the public about what happened.
Pretend although they knew better that this was not terrorism.
And to and to tell some real whopper about some video that was clearly not seriously relevant to this was a big piece of it which -- certainly a story she said it was.
I was involved in spreading its all those things come tumbling down on her I think it becomes a significant and -- for.
Thereby answering the second former secretaries question of at this point what does -- -- the point at which it matters is in 26 team well it also -- now the truth always sets but the truth always -- you know it's it's it is.
It is what we may have had.
On security leading up to this we may have had faulty and weak and unwise decisions made as this was unfolding about what to do about it.
Those things those kinds of mistakes.
Can be forgiven what tends to happen -- will notice from many experiences it is.
It's not that long original wrongdoing or mistakes in behavior that most of the -- you can see attempts to cover it up.
Which is why I have thought all along that those talking points were his -- that was it may seem.
-- we thank you very much for making time for us today.
Viewers as as fox -- -- the truth is out there we don't know what happened in Libya the question is -- this new information -- the media will be swept under the carpet.
Tuesday probably tell the tale for you Fox -- -- out there.
-- Wednesday we'll tell the tale thanks mister Hume.
-- Jonathan Hunt is up next and now as we like to do every day.
We will only do the work from our French -- -- who was the acting ambassador of course.
-- time after the death of I was ambassador -- he -- as a result of embarrassing humiliating the government.
That's probably the reason why there was no cooperation afterwards in the FBI investigation.
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