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Welcome back to on the hunt on Jonathan Hunt as you well know congress is looking right now -- -- main job.
Oval hole all of it immigration.
It's been cold a pop to citizenship it's being cold and amnesty whatever you call it.
The folks over at The Heritage Foundation a conservative leaning think tank.
Believe that this if this reform bill goes through it will cost Americans you -- me out tax money.
Millions upon millions of dollars John Rich wine as a Ph.D.
-- senior policy analyst at The Heritage Foundation.
Duke joins me and I said John -- Jason rich one I'm sorry Jason I joining me now from our DC bureau my apologies that Jason good to see you.
Good to see you are just tell -- that.
That the basis all -- the basic points all of this study that you've undertaken in the costs to the American people as you see them.
Well you mentioned there was millions and millions it's it's actually a few more orders of magnitude it's at six point three trillion dollars that's the estimate we have.
Over the lifetime of illegal immigrants.
We get that from just a very comprehensive analysis of government expenditures federal state and local.
And we compare that to the taxes federal state and local -- will pay as a very large fiscal deficit there.
Because illegal immigrant households are of comparatively low education.
Right you look at the net fiscal deficit and I just want to put that up on the screen you'll figures I've government benefits and services received.
-- put -- up there we go.
That's the wrong one.
Let's move today we -- nine point four trillion of government benefits and services received taxes paid three point one trillion -- the -- fiscal deficit.
According to your -- six point three trillion.
I would what do what what are we calling the life time all of these.
Immigrants that Jason just wanna get a sense of how many people we're talking about here and noble what sort of length of time.
We're talking about eleven and a half million illegal immigrants who will be eligible for the amnesty if potentially more than that because some people who were deported are going to be allowed to come back and and get amnesty if they have a family member here.
But the median age of illegal immigrants about 34 in the United States right now so.
You can get a sense of what there their life span might be we're talking of fifty years or so.
Going into the future and it's really very important that we project over that time -- because one of the biggest drivers of this fiscal cost is.
-- eligibility for social security and Medicare.
Obviously illegal immigrants are not currently eligible for that but under amnesty they would be.
Right and all along that other full screen and we go to Jason we took him at the average taxes paid.
By one of these households would be ran ten -- we're talking.
Annually here I guess.
-- that's an annual festival until they get 101000 of the bed that average benefits received 24 fans of the net fiscal deficit for each of these hassles 141387.
Polio but that -- the point is that that that's based no longer.
Where they -- now if did I I think others would argue that if this reform bill goes through.
Then more likely to be working -- less likely to be receiving -- needing.
And receiving benefits and -- those figures might not be accurate if this reform goes through is that a -- argument.
No it's not because we actually projected that there are their earnings and their taxes into the future.
Based on -- comparable legal immigrants so we include the fact that they'll make more money when they receive amnesty.
We also include the fact of the pay more taxes when.
They and that being legal all -- included.
But what we did is we we looked at say fifty year old legal immigrant with similar education and looked at their fiscal deficit and simply use that to project where illegal immigrants will be finished.
Well what about bill I guess one other glaring at them not go to go -- One other -- mission it would seem to me in this study though is it doesn't make a comparison between what you're saying.
All the costs if this reform goes through.
And the costs in terms of policing.
Illegal immigration etc.
if it -- if things stay the same about health care that these people -- in the emergency rooms that separate -- don't you when you have to put the two side by side to get her a fair estimate of where we are in this.
We we we did that actually since -- have been out of the reports about -- 102 page report very detailed frank.
We look at the status quo it's okay if there were no amnesty you know what would happen.
-- -- the -- it's about a trillion dollars so it still costs associated with that because of public schooling and so on.
But the -- go way up another five point three trillion added on to that.
When you meek -- formerly illegal immigrants eligible for all of the means tested programs.
All right Jason -- -- the Heritage Foundation it's a fascinating study.
I it's available lab folks he's dot com with a lot more on it and of course I'm assuming it's on your own website.
The heritage web site.
-- -- is dot org is right in the front page heritage -- old Jason rich -- thanks very much great told she's there thank you.
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