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Thank you -- alert now -- an hour away from a bombshell hearing on Ben Ghazi three witnesses will testify before this house committee.
You will see it all here on the Fox News Channel.
The events that killed four Americans including our ambassador Chris Stevens that is topic AA.
But the chairman of that house oversight and Government Reform Committee congressman Darrell ice believes that the Obama administration is covering something up.
-- -- from our show on Monday of this week.
Well I think it's a story grows every one becomes more and more familiar.
That when Hillary Clinton said what difference does it make it makes a big difference it makes a difference in in who's responsible for these men's death.
And ultimately whether or not we covered it up for political reasons or is the president's asserting for classified reasons which.
Is becoming more and more doubtful.
-- now with me now former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff also the former federal judge and the chairman and co-founder.
Of the Chertoff group nice to see you I was -- -- -- nice to see you back here in New York you say it would never seem to be anything other then.
A terror attack based on the accounts on the ground if that's the case and -- -- just call that while I called a terrorist that it's it's.
Puzzling because you're in the most dangerous one of the most dangerous places in the world from -- which is a recruiting ground historically for our Qaeda.
On a very significant date which is September 11.
So the obvious going in presumption is -- -- terrorist attack.
You have mortar fire you have heavy arms fire again all publicly reported -- in the first several hours.
At all that suggests pretty compelling way just terrorism so why you would try to deny that is because frankly Kapalua why just and then.
What -- they may be part of a larger issue reaches -- or killing bin Laden and having drone strikes.
It's an adequate strategy for -- with terrorist if you believe it is.
Then you want to take the position that we've essentially.
Drastically how minimize the threat as always -- he can throw strikes up everything's fine if he gets more complicated than that.
I then you look at an event like this you say we haven't really eliminated the problem -- simply distributed.
Around the world.
You say there are 3 issues that are central here but nothing is more important -- this question should we have been better prepared.
That you just referred to Ben -- he's doing a hot bed for terrorism.
There's a town down that desert road about a hundred a 150 miles called dirt track and we've talked about that town in this program to our viewers at home this is an area where.
Islamic fighters went to Iraq.
Islamic fighters went to Afghanistan.
And good heavy numbers.
So if you know that already.
Why allow your own people to be such a soft target he.
I think I think that's one of the critical questions is it that has to emerge from their senators that are -- forward and remember the date -- September 11 -- an anniversary of their attack on the United States.
What I was in office when every that date approached we took an extra hard luck.
At where there might be -- activity out there shall we could respond and can prevent it.
It onto that that is you porn actor in an area that is notorious has a training ground and had a recruiting ground for extremists -- -- Afghanistan.
And you -- -- be on heightened alert -- you have to say we're not gonna send our ambassador in that day or you've got to have contingency plans in place to deal with an attack if it happened.
Well under the circumstances that we have come to learn here these guys are sitting ducks.
That's threatening I have much defend themselves with -- day that's correct or not there's not a lot of Force Protection and there's not a stand by a group to come in immediately.
I'm probably there right they would have been to say ambassador don't go this day wait a few days.
But if if he wasn't going in if there was a compelling reason you shouldn't -- adequate force probably get your view joined this talking point stressed here you know we had a version that we showed earlier today and I mean clearly somebody -- are taken out redacted it.
Before the final version is published what is your view about how that happened and why I think that's again a question that's gonna -- hearings pieces out of testimony or interviews have been put out there action sequences in the house.
-- just not only heavy editing and it almost two transformation.
From the original version trip to the version that came out afterward.
A lot of this as I said it has to do it whether you or taking a position that we have basically turn the corner on terrorism by killing bin Laden.
Or whether you believe actually it's still a serious issue and we cancer appreciate -- mission -- accomplished.
So I think that's kind of the back story to the struggle over the -- report does this go to the highest level the State Department does this go to the highest level the White House or is this something that is.
Or can be explained away.
-- -- -- Again -- I'd be speculating at this point but I will say is it's not just a question of anything out things that happens sometimes when the intelligence community is concerned about.
Something that might be classified or -- -- -- would reveal a source of -- But here it was actually -- change it -- -- -- description of this is terrorist attack.
To this rather.
Kind of fanciful idea that it's a demonstration that got out of hand because -- YouTube video.
And whoever conjured up that idea is a person who -- took an additional step beyond just anything to.
Secure intelligence information your point's well taken that when it comes the CIA and intelligence community -- their job to draft.
The draft messages to frame it or shape in -- way that suits their purposes correct -- have to deal in facts to be successful act and their job he's merely says he can't say this because gonna jeopardize.
It's not to give you an alternative narrative.
We -- -- where your problem or -- you -- a more.
-- attractive type type of talking point we will see where the hearings take this story today.
When they start in less than an hour Michael Chertoff thank you for your time concede -- -- -- -- Alice.
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