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Let's go you've ever heard from the jury what your thoughts.
And I think I just -- Just on.
And then I just feel overwhelmed.
I think I just need to -- -- at a time.
There's going to be -- this -- It was unexpected.
For me yes because there was no premeditation on my card can see how things look that way but.
I didn't expect premeditation if I could see maybe the felony murder because of -- -- -- threatened.
But it makes the whole time I was fairly confident I would get premeditation because there was something.
It seemed then you have a lot of questions Missouri consumers of -- -- didn't believe she's.
-- I can understand that I think he -- What it is -- -- and it's just beginning to try to cover this conference that high.
Things that I didn't want to be known the public be focusing recorder review books you could be the worst.
-- the worst -- anyway being natural life.
I would much rather die sooner than later longevity friends and family come and -- my natural life in one place.
You know pretty healthy and smoke.
And probably when longtime.
Senator from influencing.
I think years ago that I get death and life and that's still is true.
I believe that this feels different and so.
I'd rather have -- freedom -- in the second.
Solution -- -- passion for -- will be.
-- it was a book yes Alexander -- especially.
And the younger brother.
If you -- -- It's.
I hope that it now at a very continue to do that -- -- Greenpeace friends since -- I don't think they'll ever find pace that they but Mike but maybe you need it won't be able to.
Have greater peace now.
Some semblance of it and be able to move on from lights and remember that president the way they want.
Now -- -- much more of that in India ahead but first dirty area says she would prefer a death sentence to life in prison oh she gets.
Joining us our legal panel San Cisco -- -- -- Jim Hammer.
And here -- defense where Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams and try -- is still with us in Phoenix and debt that now can ask dead -- questions they have about -- first to Jim.
Didn't have time she says she would prefer death to natural life just deploy weird to think this is speaking from the heart.
I think -- speaking from the heart frankly I think she gave one of the best arguments -- against definitely I I think.
And having seen people you if you go to lifer life row in -- quit her other places around the country.
They live the rest their natural lives and and a small cell eight by.
Ten feet they get a little time outside and they die old people Scott Peterson will never have fans again there -- people visit them.
I think it is that is the worst punishment possible I sort of hope the jury doesn't give her death and makes her think for the rest of her life about what she's -- -- -- You know I had my first -- -- -- she's very cunning trying to outsmart the jury telling jury you know put me to -- in the juries -- -- how will give you like.
But Jim's Jim's right I've been the worst maximum security prisons and if you have to spend time and they're visiting your -- you go cuckoo I -- Just -- -- a maximum security prison it's gonna drive her crazy she will think about this for rest of her life it's just gonna tear her apart.
-- but what you know prison.
Is a terrible place.
You know Travis Alexander you know suffered a pretty ugly -- -- terrible and ask for.
-- I -- -- saying is that music you know that it was so it you know it was a it was a death that would seem to be pretty plan that we shouldn't she got a gun drove to where he was.
Ten your thoughts several I.
You know I didn't want to come here I'm somewhat conflict that I Jody has lied so much are even in this interview here.
The question is really does she won't get -- drug does she actually -- life I prayed that she is lie and I think that she really -- so Leo vision is using this is applauded.
But did you visualize whether someone is for the -- -- they are not for the death for -- death knowing exactly whether or not she fits the statutory requirement and whether -- you know whether should get or not.
Try out I still don't get the fact that you don't let my people like me -- -- I would've loved to have had this interview I confess that.
I don't know I have but it -- my client there's no I'm gonna tackle -- no -- she -- -- docked in that.
What -- lawyer didn't read it did they say anything.
No I Hackett said I didn't want to talk to them to be honest with you ought to know they might well maybe I don't know it just is an adult.
So I just did not figure -- says you have to do it -- -- -- I'm not gonna go read that there are lawyers say sir you -- to do that.
Hell they give the death -- quickly though.
She's on suicide watch right now at the jail as a nobody else can talk Stewart -- they are generally concerned that she may try to kill herself and somebody in those are pretty well -- Greta are that she gets life.
So -- ridiculous self.
-- -- -- -- When asked -- -- -- he's been in this courtroom and if you reading counter with -- I was understand -- Do you know if they certainly want the -- plan -- If -- were the prosecutor in the case my first question would be to the -- Stanley what do you want I want the jury to hear that I think that's what I would be the biggest factor in this case.
-- by far most of them do -- the death penalty haven't had long talks with that the three main people that the two sisters and the younger brother Lavin talked about that but.
The the extended family as they -- -- the courtroom today nearly all of them said they -- death.
George your -- your question and I noticed that our -- -- -- apparently was also a record wrong.
All of what you -- -- -- reaction to this verbiage.
You know I was watching -- first of -- and then I turned to her mother Sandra when the verdict was read.
-- had that same look on her face she's had all the way through -- immediately turned around.
Looked at her mom almost in a way you know that teenager would look at -- I'm -- mom you know help -- or whatever.
And and duties moments just -- her grandmother is -- grandmother was shaking your head slowly back and forth.
This you can agree with the verdict none of them spoke afterwards but again that's -- look at -- -- -- Now we have more of live try to interview -- -- -- yes.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And well.
Prior to trial I respected world has that -- and capable attorney.
You know he's appreciated his case as far as hiding evidence.
-- inches -- and -- We'll be just -- I bet you anything.
So you have to use all over again.
You're in the desert.
-- -- -- -- -- I would turnaround activities at least -- When people.
I don't know but it would have been taken.
Deepest sense we're the public feels about you lose your life in my life and.
I didn't sense that -- great -- about science and they believe the majority is.
-- Psychologists trying to explain to me that society has just need to -- Persecuted people get excited gratification and it's something something going -- You.
Had any knowledge of the interest in the case.
Some -- that.
-- I hear things that.
I have no access to.
Has no direct.
Because it easier.
I TV and newspaper -- I think one program when things didn't.
-- it made a commitment to Asia since then tell me.
-- And shake my hand one can they want and they want my autograph.
It's he'd name.
And -- you do get a -- sentence for you can spend your life.
Yeah I didn't.
We're back -- pan out Bernie pound.
-- -- -- -- Think of this crimes mean whoever that she committed this crime which -- 27 stab wounds.
Slit the throat of her boyfriend your -- here shot -- apparently in the head with the gun.
And then you have this.
I know I mean heads the best actor more when we're on every night for the woman it's not so remorseful.
She's do you try to -- -- -- -- -- right right there right there it appears now so but why do we not think he's remorseful.
Because she took the stand and because she lied nonstop over seventeen days of cross examination that's why did you keep your client off the stand now if she if she's just -- up this stand she got a -- on penalty phase and said listen I'm guilty.
You -- save my life she did little.
A lot to sell me on remorse I mean this is terribly how -- is a lot of -- dead and -- -- air quality on purses ruined her life -- but.
Then right after I shouldn't have live.
I'm Jim what do you -- -- women are determined killer.
Well I I'd say they should do whatever -- for what I saw when -- her in and and and Bernie.
I I I admire your humanity and your and your skills of defense attorney and -- a great man what what I see here is a -- Cunning woman.
And with her breath right now Greta she could rip express regret.
Compassion for the victim not his family instead -- should do.
She stars Jennifer lawyer and you could see that seething anger and her when you when you listen to her well he hid evidence did unethical things we didn't do any good what I see is this -- Person with anger right below the surface who brought kilogram championship I do I get a chill when I -- her talk.
Right -- jump jump read about the manipulation here from the -- this is the woman who said that no jury.
We don't convict me yeah battle and -- and I play -- yeah.
I went wrong and now I -- she's trying entering final way to manipulate light.
-- only praise the big question with me is the -- she's got to take this -- I believe in light of the fact that she took just ran.
And the actual case in chief that she will take the -- and -- Democrat hasn't promised that it means she's got almost I Michigan keeper consistent story to death by basis not the time we take the stand and say didn't do it Nazi take it did take the standard the penalty facing.
I did it but I'm sorry you know and so -- -- insistence -- -- It's understand the penalty phase -- in the -- gonna look at her she's gonna say.
All right now the plant -- went down the tubes let's try plan B can you please -- -- say you know it wasn't self defense I'd premeditated.
All this time he spent here asked me thousands of questions was an utter waste of everyone's time.
And that is the problem -- this case is bad he had an actual cases are you technically they've already done -- that we would face.
I mean she's been on -- stand in this -- isn't gonna say I'm.
But guess is.
-- when they don't talk Travis is family that's going to be maybe the difference.
-- and what little lawyers like after the verdict the defense lawyers.
They didn't say a word at all but -- was not happy with them you know one thing I'll talk about the -- -- talking about a second ago I kept waiting for -- to say.
Oh my god I'm so sorry.
For what I did I can't believe I did that I feel terrible act like I give her several different opportunities to do that and she never did.
Bob maybe she's not.
Yeah I was a -- just got to.
Maximum recommended safe you know there there are some she's tarnishing our god she's charged or convicted not that she did which he did I still search result.
-- -- -- -- that experience something mentally wrong -- car I really believe that hybrid.
I agree Bob I agree I I think there are two -- is that mentioned earlier and -- -- she is stuck by her story asked about the gas cans asked about the gun.
She said that there are pictures of her and her sister out in that desert somewhere out in the wilderness on the did it was that break -- at her grandparents' house with a -- was stolen but that was -- -- -- -- -- The pictures of her -- -- -- a hard drive.
There was ever brought -- evidence is that there was evidence or attorneys never brought it.
-- talked more about that today about being sorry.
Try out did -- get one of the one of these just charged with was Saddam felony murder and typically that means that a murder happened of course that particular felony.
What was the underlying felony that discharged tear that debt would put pat would be would be a felony murder.
Yeah it's pretty weird actually while Martinez said it was her stealing Travis is gun.
Which he at first denied ever existed.
So member you know during that whole the killing she said she ripped into his closet grabbed is -- appointed Adam -- Martina said that was the felony stealing of his -- this.
-- -- CN I think affected even any of the jurors bought that as a felony murder is to reassess this is this an indication she's got -- because -- frankly I don't suggest.
I don't know I mean getting pretty right right it right there you have heard -- hang your hat on some stealing a gun.
And the before the foreseeable consequences of that not the -- protective about that that that's not a felony why didn't I disagree Richard all I believe that she has a good possibility of a -- you're definitely win this jury in light it is fact that did you all jurors came back -- premeditation.
But -- Yeah I got it away.
Does that -- premeditation and probably yeah actually I noted that this puts this yeah.
Larry Nelson premeditation.
Yeah but this -- -- on disagreement that jurors she's got a jacket.
-- my diet that's -- best you've got golfers the general election.
Yeah I guess some people like article that's kind of a wacky chart but she premeditated murder.
What did triple off is not some felony murder is premeditation that she's doc did that she'd -- and create the Sunday and that she lied about it.
Her on the issue of what this jury BI the one person -- sympathy and she's lied repeatedly to their face and they know what all their way I don't.
-- -- -- Alexander Stanley say what do you want us to do with this woman.
I would love to talk the defense source and find out what -- have she insisted that they did the strategy to where she's -- -- abused like this little light from Maine I don't understand why the didn't take.
The all these horrible -- all these -- phones and gunshots.
And say that this past.
I was in a jealous -- yes you got from murder in the first degree try to make premeditated to a -- she had this incredible -- to toilet fairly -- to murder in the second degree and it seems like section is that easier way to track is -- to better strategy so she wouldn't be tonight's anyone -- -- -- society at that.
That would have been more convinced than George you're -- Yes no maybe maybe what day it may be -- Greta doesn't ask your clients found guilty you get to the cell block because all the oxygen has been sucked -- them.
But maybe if there with their clients regular run into and maybe ask -- -- I think this stuff like that try to think about this when I caught it.
This thing you usually good to go back to the sound like he's trying so why not as bad as that it has and it's horrible when the Phillies conversation because you're only bond they haven't that -- -- quite.
Well why in the -- -- they -- they really hated those nine out of ten days is one of the nine days there.
-- -- -- Says she believes that she said that could -- -- -- that nine out of ten days about ride it and get along very well she was a very happy with the defense.
I mean why weren't they whether I don't know maybe they're not that good attorneys and even.
Didn't really get to that begins to -- set the stage though -- -- -- issued such a bad relationship with them effective assistance of counsel or.
That is got a -- hour now she's not walking on that -- Yeah yeah.
Of course not -- -- -- -- but -- -- walking -- and try to -- -- if you try everything in this does -- definitely -- you try everything.
Right -- -- -- a sense not.
Yet now what I don't need everything company -- -- -- understandable -- as -- -- -- get on the stand and tell the jurors -- it was still self defense you -- -- the shot here.
What are registered in his interviews that -- Martinez withheld evidence that if she can -- and some -- on concern I don't -- it may.
Well I can't imagine why -- Chad Chad Chad this is a convicted killer you're gonna listen -- hurt the incompetence of girl that hey Jim -- I don't know the golf don't want cold you want to hear your -- -- did you lie about it needs and -- want everybody -- and then I want is somebody else use their heads at the same thing at Scott Peterson and we will be back there after the deal -- -- true that that's a better case for Scott Peterson unfortunately it's hard.
Sure I thank you very much did the interview we -- loved to have -- as fast and thank you try and.