Power Play 5/9/2013
What we learned in Benghazi hearings. Immigration bill starts gantlet run. Plus - The RNC seeks to narrow tech gap.
May 9, 2013
Sean Spicer, Juan Williams, Steve Hayes
What we learned in Benghazi hearings. Immigration bill starts gantlet run. Plus - The RNC seeks to narrow tech gap.
May 9, 2013
Sean Spicer, Juan Williams, Steve Hayes
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-- a highly decorated career diplomat have too old you or Washington had -- been a demonstration.
Outside this facility that -- Mr.
he would -- did he mention one word about a protest or a demonstration.
-- -- did not.
So fast forward mr.
picks to the Sunday talk shows and ambassador Susan Rice she blamed this attack on a video in fact she did it.
Five different times what was your reaction to that.
I was stunned.
My jaw dropped.
And I was embarrassed.
And that was the most dramatic moment probably end -- six hours six hours of testimony.
There from Gregory hicks former second in command of the US.
Diplomatic team in Libya.
And this is power play and I am Chris Farrell and that was the most dramatic moment but it probably wasn't most revealing moment we already knew that mr.
-- was gonna say that because in pre testimony to investigators.
He had talked about is dropped -- and how he could not believe that UN ambassador Susan Rice said what she said Chris Wallace and others.
But that may have been a dramatic moment but the ball got moved on several fronts.
In terms of the bad guys investigation and now Republicans say they'd like to hear from Hillary Clinton on the subject again because they say that -- contradiction so.
Is the former secretary of state and quite probably future presidential candidate headed back.
For more testimony.
We will talk about that.
We will also talk about the immigration bill as it begins its winding way.
Through congress say is it do for -- up today and it's going to get some marks on -- there are no doubt about that as conservatives.
-- their fire on this legislation we will we will talk about that and later we'll talk about you.
Internet of course you.
-- -- -- because shots -- -- stopped -- for the Republican National Committee he will be with us to talk about that party's efforts to get.
With those internet's.
But you know what.
You can wait for that which you can't wait for is to hear from.
Stephen F is were fabulous -- he's a senior writer at the weekly standard despite not being all that old.
Greater great it's just keep he uses reverse Grecian formula specifically looks Steve is actually 27 years -- -- -- exactly and magic Juan Williams.
Who you know -- of course the Fox News contributor of course a columnist for -- -- and a person all around excellence gentlemen welcome.
-- -- Okay now -- you hired a disadvantage in this conversation because these days has been.
And coverage of this Ben -- stuff so we will we will accept we will defer.
In in large part as to some areas.
But on other areas maybe not.
Steve did you hear anything.
Yesterday in all of that testimony that advance the case beyond what.
We knew before they started -- yeah I think there was a lot advanced case.
-- specific you know on specific dates too high level State Department.
Personnel was one I think that the news stories about threats intimidation I think anybody -- -- -- deeply troubling if they're in fact on.
The truth about what happened Gregory -- in particular in the south where residents.
In this sense of mr.
-- talked absurd and -- but this where.
Just bring me in the Internet to -- is where mr.
hicks talked about Cheryl Mills -- -- and Beth Jones senior.
People and Cheryl Mills a long time retainer of the house of Clinton right whom you made her displeasure known to mr.
What he was saying in -- he was gonna -- right exactly and do you think the big development comes in.
In that the context of these talking points this email that Beth Jones sent to senior State Department.
People but everybody close to Hillary Clinton basically on September 121245.
In the afternoon.
Eighteen hours after the attack saying without qualification.
The attack was conducted by and so much -- That's an al-Qaeda linked terrorist group.
In Libya this is what the CIA had put in its original talking points and what the State Department and others.
Had pulled out.
Of those talking points and then layered on top of that this fanciful story about the video and protests -- protests in.
Cairo and there were protests and other places for -- Yes so.
I mean basically -- the -- when you look at other coverage of this beyond what Steve's doing what we're what James -- is doing here are.
You've got pretty quickly to I was watching Andrea Mitchell and heard from other people basically it's like well.
It was bad they did it wrong it was a botched.
It wasn't about cover up it wasn't a conspiracy.
Correct I mean.
You know that's I think that's the problem might see with a lot of kind of conservative driven averages.
Yes the over the Obama people didn't handle this -- but once you politicize it.
I think he's he's the kind of invite everybody -- ego yeah well it's the Republicans and Democrats going at it again this is not.
Lindsey Graham saying you know the second coming of Watergate this is not the second coming of Iran Contra or the ability to discover weapons of mass destruction.
Even -- -- deal to me the most troubling part was.
Potentially -- Cheryl Mills thing where we're chairman was telling him not to talk and then I read into it and what happens is you have Jason -- -- the congressman from you talk coming out there.
And there's no lawyer allowed into the region because he can't the -- can't get the security clearance.
I think she is fearful that it actually is just on eight.
So -- our players are always political Suarez -- and yet we wanted to holidays Watergate political of their article that I know they're jail where there and it's eight genuine crisis in which American lives are lost and the State Department knows that they have a problem and it and it was revealed in the -- report the accountability review -- -- -- -- incomplete there -- I don't think isn't complete but I mean really gave that it is during his secretary of state Hillary Clinton.
They didn't how can possibly was not on the grass he's you know what's that all players she she herself when she testified to that she was involved in every single last -- -- always heard her name was and he made an interview with what we heard yesterday.
Was that she in fact said that to mr.
-- I believe at 2 o'clock in the morning you know whenever.
You know we're proud just keep going and we have to try to do what we can there there was a good cause yeah that's right and that's all that evidence that some.
Or that or -- -- -- -- just.
Secretary whose tears and is involved I think that's great I think that's exactly what that looks so it was good it was the one thing that she did -- -- -- -- -- -- that phone call the phone -- the -- get a phone -- -- -- it -- is -- -- 2 AM phone -- reverend -- military -- did to him.
-- call and Hillary Clinton famously said the Barack Obama was not up to the task.
Phone call on that Harrison you guys -- believe she quit.
Given her own 2 -- phone call did she that she -- herself you know I think we have a lot more to learn about what she did and what everybody -- on the way premature.
To say there is no cover up here I mean you you have now I think solid evidence.
Manipulation of these talking points they took.
What was known that it -- intelligence we had.
Extracted it and then invented a story -- ever laid -- -- as it relates to just what she did in real time as you heard from -- an allegation.
That says that an allegation but -- but hicks wanted action.
He wanted to send a special operators to Ben -- to at least help the extraction of those who survived he wanted to scramble -- -- do something.
By god -- -- colleagues were dying do some things.
And the decision was made not not to do something in fact that two other guys who got killed.
Defied orders to go over -- -- she -- the two who died.
The State Department employees the ambassador and the other state our employees who got killed where there but those two other guys defied orders to leave what was today.
A secret undisclosed location for an agency to be named later to go over and and join the fight.
In terms of that response.
People Americans don't like the idea of other Americans being killed some place and us not doing something like this to look active and it's been a long time but there's Jay Carney said.
And we haven't killed anybody nobody's dead.
Right in Libya we have -- Oh yeah oh we have -- a -- a brown okay.
Well let me just come back to restarted.
Which is -- -- That wasn't the state department's call not to stand in the additional people that was the military called the military decided.
That they could not get there I think -- F sixteens scrambled in time to have any impact it wouldn't arrive in time.
And similarly they decided with regard to the additional forces on the ground in Tripoli.
That -- wanted to stand over to them guys the they decided to look.
It's over and we don't exactly know what they did you make a decision they didn't make the decision when it was over they did they know this Internet that they would not have -- -- the they would not have a right and that's true they would not have a -- -- time.
Where the fighting that wasn't ready and an epidemic but it would I don't know as you know that would require that they would understand when the fighting would end of Florida and correct let me just -- -- the -- There's nobody disputes it was over so let me just let me just come back to this this was a military decision and in fact.
What he says in the testimony is that somebody says they have you know what and I don't DNA can tolerate this language work but.
You know like this than usual situation where the diplomat has more balls banned the military that play was -- military decision and we have seen that this military decision.
Has been supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff by the head of -- com.
By the secretary of defense nobody has questioned this decision because now -- has answer when asked.
He supported by by those folks because you can -- -- if that's the they're the ones who made the decision the only decision that was not.
Made by the secretary of defense the president of the United States in the chain of command was the decision on the four people in Tripoli that was a decision that was.
And that general -- from Africa -- make them any say anytime you're talking about shifting forces from one.
Combatant command area and to a second.
That's a decision that is reserved only for the secretary of defense in the present -- United States they made the decision not to go so it's totally unsurprisingly.
That their top military brass would support.
Yeah -- we have to wrap this but you definitely do but I -- I want to close to this question.
That's a reasonable decision right the president of the United States to make a reasonable decision that says.
Look what -- good -- OK for the president to make a decision like that.
But what I want to know -- two days after this happened Hillary Clinton stood in front of pro flag draped coffins.
And she didn't say that these people were dead as a result of removing.
Or video clip but she talked about the video clip in front of those -- office and she she got right next to it.
MB in light of mr.
-- testimony that some pretty remarkable as -- Well I can't -- you know -- it would it requires is the conspiracy -- mindset but here's the thing.
Even when it comes the talking points that -- find so objectionable that came out of the congressional.
What you see is that the intelligence community make some decisions based on their sources overseas.
About the al-Qaeda connection which is not you know it's not the al-Qaeda in Afghanistan -- these are this is eight.
Sort of -- group that's a bill that no longer I would -- at this point we're in severity as a -- but.
So -- protecting something their own assets overseas they're making a decision it's not political but is based on intelligence -- Not to disclose that that's what they -- I'm just telling you that's their decision.
-- -- And let me blast -- -- -- on September 12 we had three different streams of intelligence telling -- it was al-Qaeda.
Related terrorists -- we had.
Several different sources telling us that it was al-Qaeda related terrorists the CIA knew that the State Department at the top.
Al-Qaeda related terrorists that it attacked.
Do that then got the facility and yet -- later.
When Susan Rice present the country and then for weeks after that the president of the United States would not say that.
That is imaginary we protect our intelligence sources and has a better -- -- sources it has does information they record what they say there's a spontaneous.
David Edwards -- -- that take away from this is that this is far from settled.
-- we will be talking about this subject.
For some time to come that's probably not helpful for her Hillary Clinton and President Obama and you know what I wrote a column.
Wrote a column right here and it is entitled political motives don't change -- -- guys proved the point of which is.
Political all these investigations Watergate Iran Contra.
-- weapons of mass destruction Iraq.
They're always political because guess what.
You never blow the whistle on your own team it's always the other guys that do it and they're always motivated to bring down the other guy.
That's kinda how we do with this kind of effect so anyway you can get that if you found -- start walk on the putters as about a big Jillian if you already followed these to so treat yourself.
To the third best.
All right so.
Let's talk about immigration real quick while I still have.
You two gentlemen here let's hear what Jeff Sessions.
Had to tell Fox News colleague Jim and.
All we respect.
Are people who -- to come to America we believe that we should accept immigrants.
Mono we've got to be realistic about the impact.
And this is that was Jeff Sessions he's -- senator from Alabama he's the senior Republican on the Judiciary Committee.
And he said he's not against immigrants he's just against the expense of legalizing that.
So what about that and so today.
Steve do sessions begins.
The also did say.
The immigration bill it's it's good it's -- for mark up.
They call it in the Judiciary Committee says he's as big -- with this bill and -- -- with Marco Rubio and -- the senators -- on the fact that by the time all these do become legal becomes.
Crippling -- expensive for an already deeply indebted country.
Marco Rubio says hey wait a minute you're not taking into account the economic benefits that are obtained.
By doing this.
And is this legislation going anywhere.
Is the legislation going anywhere I don't think it will likely be passed in anything resembling its current form -- you had.
And other prominent conservatives today it likely come out and say we need to take this step by step we need to slow this down we need to break this up that is becoming I think the prevailing.
View among many conservatives in the house representatives even even when you have some conservatives in the house who just say I'm not -- be for this no matter what.
But -- -- -- among those who who believe that you want immigration reform I think you're seeing an increasing numbers thing.
Let's slow this down let's do this piece but you sucked ass Republicans and.
What they say -- this.
They're gonna move individual parts of immigration they're gonna go width border security or they're gonna go with.
Is is that.
Even that remotely viable strategy on this.
It's a viable strategy is a cover for not doing.
But it's not gonna lead to any kind of go look at the Democrats -- play and Democrat right here as the Dodds and what the Democrats are insisting on is that there be some pathway to citizenship and if you.
It's ups and what you hear is that.
Republicans view that as amnesty and end and and the second part of it is that -- -- -- on what you were saying this was.
-- came out with a report earlier this week -- -- this is gonna cost the American people money and I don't think things like the fact that -- some of the families -- Boston bomb suspects we're getting entitlement.
None of that helps you know in this -- Have to say -- practice so what it has done -- has given ammunition and I think a lot of people after the election -- club and the tremendous Hispanic.
Support the president moms that Republicans need to do something -- pick up the pace with Hispanics but that was driving it now instead.
It's the people who are nitpicking and it looked gaining momentum and I think that's why my colleague mr.
This -- fabulous thinks that in fact this is not gonna doing now what.
What about heritage and that Steve it's been interesting to watch the evolution -- -- especially.
You know that is accelerated when Jim -- -- former senator.
Went and took over -- they got a super packets that Jim -- show it's they're doing this stuff and they -- out with the Billy clubs after this legislation this and Marco Rubio says.
You know and thanks for your help against Charlie Crist and everything but but there is -- more than a -- out there that says that demand has his own axe to grind.
It is a shame and I can speak firsthand that change the evolutionary heritage because when I was heritage some twenty years ago.
-- it was much more friendly to to immigration.
-- and didn't certainly didn't make it a big issue didn't make illegal immigration a big issue person -- a mile.
Hello this is true this is back in 1990 -- so this is.
You know sort of shortly after -- -- look I mean I think that's that you're -- interest in split on the right on this machine sort of libertarian minded conservatives were more open to.
Immigration reform and more legal immigration.
On the one side and you're seeing more restrictions arguments from traditional conservatives want.
This quickly and you say I think -- different breakdown which is I think the business community the wall street journal -- strongly pro immigration and -- ahead.
Yes and so to me it's like wait a minute who wears the opposition -- and it seems to me that there's -- hard right.
Opposition its grassroots Tea Party oriented.
That's fighting against what I would call.
You know establishment Republican he's the most part right but yeah I mean there.
That's soft right there maybe they're sorry they're charted well and don't tell that will -- -- -- -- the Renault labels don't know they've.
Hold on I'll let.
Hi I do like it labeled an interview excellent helpful colleagues at thank you for making -- the Internet it always is happier when you're here.
Here's what you have to -- Internet -- McDowell says with stubborn refusal to acknowledge the terrorist attack and predictability of it in the extreme risk to our ambassador is so clear.
Well we'll save -- 88 -- voice is.
All of a -- -- point.
Who says this Ben Ghazi affairs going nowhere fast it's not that impeachable offense that the far right wants nor is it Biden's back to the presidency.
Now that would be a conspiracy theory if Joseph Biden was behind this whole thing -- -- -- to try to get in there I guess I'm I'm not saying I'm just asking questions and secondary.
I just transferring money and that wouldn't notice -- last thing I think it's very suspicious we're just asking okay all right and it never gonna take a quick break.
But when we come back.
We'll talk about you and how to talk to you and whether Republicans can talk to you because shots fights he's the top -- for the Republican National Committee he'll be here.
-- -- -- -- -- And that's was the hottest movie in nineteen and 82.
-- About a guy who got sucked into a computer.
And this is power supply and another guy who got sucked into a computer was Sean Spicer.
He is the communications director for the Republican National Committee.
And he is a Republican refugee from Rhode Island and -- welcome here welcome -- thank you okay so you guys are.
-- Unfortunately titled autopsy.
But that turned into a strategic review for the Republican Party.
After that point what election talk about a lot of stuff as -- related policy and outreach in these things but in terms of practical application.
And using the Internet.
To not only find out what people want and where they are but to a -- fewer people to go talk to them.
Has been really the practical center of this for the aren't seeing that way right.
Right I think if you look back historically.
The RNC and in that the Republican side.
-- left out front in an early 2000 President Bush what happened after 2004.
Is it kind of it went stale if you and the Obama campaign 2008 really did a phenomenal job of utilizing technology.
And they perfected that and 12012.
And and you know for what it's worth the RNC was in a place in 2010 where we were significantly -- and it's not an excuse to reality and so -- when he came down to.
Where where we had to make investments unfortunately did not make the strides in data that we needed to.
So what we have done as part of this review is looked at where we.
Need to do better and one of the places is not just enhancing our data is I think we have good data but it's the ability to share that data with our candidates and our friends.
Us and that we're enhancing it making the breast data and then learning how to not just turn out voters but people persuade them which is that I think in areas the Obama campaign did a really good job.
And now the idea so -- from what I've read about this is to decentralize in the sense that.
You're going to open up the data so that people so that when you get to the mid term elections and you get to the 2016 presidential election -- -- -- every Republican.
-- or walking around with a cell -- is gonna have all the data that they need in there.
Well it's not just it's -- just opening the data rates opening the entire platform.
So if you take for example the -- -- the ice the act passed -- apple I iTunes store if you want to put a song -- at.
Or a movie wherever.
You know what the platform -- you know how to build it he so they you know you may have to build on for android or whatever but what we're doing is saying to everyone who's out there -- vendor and you -- guys have got the best get out the vote tool I've got the best phone tool that the best -- we're making common platforms that everybody can build from.
So that we don't have a lot of tools they don't talk to each other I mean I think that's goes back to this idea of sharing actually when we get an additional data.
It's it's a common platform that can bring in that data and then enhance and enrich the data that we -- -- that others can benefit from.
This kind of -- sourcing -- -- Internet you should know is contrary to.
Political thinking for most of history.
And certainly in the Republican Party.
Which was you did did you get stuff and then you hold onto it and -- it and then in the 72 hours before the election you let slip the -- and do that this is a totally different way to look at that.
I think what we've got to get and one thing that I would say is to our advantage is what the Democrats did -- -- built an entire system with India Obama campaign.
And I -- he clearly benefited the Obama campaign and now you're seeing some -- on their side saying hey you know that's great to you all were able.
Two to build this but we are benefiting from it.
With the artist he is done this is our lesson learned is if we're gonna do this we need to do the right it'll benefit everybody is running from school board to present -- United States and that.
As we go forward as those things are occurring all of us benefit from that -- status is that it's it's it's something that grows.
Ending -- enriches itself as opposed to -- just one purpose.
One of your favorite -- Internet right here transplants are we thank you -- for making time for us and absolutely.
One -- a very important thing over and -- -- says it -- are well.
It is a lot of the Republicans will win if they get more Hispanic votes -- could have gotten 60% and still lost.
Maybe so but if Republicans can't do better than 40% of the Hispanic vote they can't win.
So there's got to be someplace in there that if Republicans want to -- -- got to get to some kind of number.
-- home Jonathan Hunt is up next in the only one PowerPoint -- today.
And that is happy birthday Newman the -- man child to have power like he's on today so happy birthday to him and -- -- -- often -- I loved him and OK and now as we like to do every day.
We will only with the word from our French are.
It's intimidation is.
He's the equivalent of a cover up if you -- intimidate -- somebody as a way.
To shut that person up you've got to cover up again.
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