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Surely there's no bigger better expert in the country his name is -- Houston former senior member of the office of security for the CIA used to -- used for a -- evaluate.
At guys that terrorists and try to report back to the -- on whether they were tell the truth -- -- -- you've taken a look.
-- great to see you again some of these -- areas clips including a while we just saw where she said.
The worst outcome for her would be natural life -- death is the ultimate freedom and so she wants this jury be given the death penalty.
Your take on that comment.
Well first of all -- it's not at all how -- truthful person thinks I mean -- truthful person doesn't sit there hero verdict.
That in essence wrongly convict them and then think okay give me the chair.
It it it's just a logical.
But the logic that it probably reflects in Joseph he's mind.
Is that she has tried all along throughout the trial to be very shrewd and very calculating.
In trying to manipulate the jury into believing that she's actually a good person a very.
A very caring person.
And what she's doing with this I -- you know I would rather die.
Is for her it's the ultimate convincing statement.
You know -- -- it series suggesting to the public.
That if she had.
Had done this there's there hadn't done this is no way she would want to die.
And -- so she's willing to take this step.
And it's just part of this calculating mentality that we've seen throughout her her trial.
I want to ask you there's a 22 SoundBite where she she talks about Travis -- family.
And it wants to say that she wants them to find peace now this is a woman nearly cut their their loved ones head off as you just heard -- reporters say.
And now she's concerned about their ability to find peace sold our getting its -- it up because I want to ask you whether that could be true maybe it's true you could brutally murders somebody.
For in a premeditated fashion still want the family to find -- -- we had a -- it's not -- that's a problem.
We're gonna we're gonna ask you about that and I definitely want to ask you about the -- where she says.
That the verdict was unexpected for her.
But she like so many times it is jury -- did you find any truth telling any signs of I should say any signs of deception overall and that lengthy interview she did with our local reporter.
Yes absolutely I mean in the very first question that he asked her when he said.
You know Jodie what are your thoughts.
And what was fascinating is if you have been wrongly convicted.
It would be very natural that your focus would immediately shift to.
The jury got it wrong you know I it wasn't premeditated.
They made a mistake here and instead what she says two issues.
-- my mind is.
Blank now artwork -- play that next we'll play that next -- beat you to expand on that as we now have that sound bite queued up and we'll get into that another one next.
Couple minutes ago you were heard from the jury what are your thoughts.
I think I just from playing.
-- And then I just feel overwhelmed.
I think they just need to -- -- at a time.
Those that you've been this -- He wasn't expected.
For me yes because there was no premeditation on my card can see how things look that way.
I didn't expect premeditation I could see maybe the felony murder because of how -- lives threatened.
But it makes the whole time I was fairly confident I wouldn't -- premeditation because there was something.
How about that one -- Again -- again you know when you open up with the question of what are your thoughts.
Her head is not add a denial she's not thinking -- didn't do this site.
That it wasn't premeditated initially which she says -- my mind is blank.
And that reflects that at this moment she realizes that everything she's done all over shrewd -- calculation.
Has not worked.
And and then when she when he asked is it unexpected he's sort of prompting her to you know to say one way or the other and of course she says.
You know it is a bit unexpected.
But from day error me she goes on and you know to be convinced mode again if you will.
And in it no time did she say the jury was wrong from the truth -- deception standpoint it's very very significant.
Now before LA got just quick answer justice says she prays for Travis is family she prays for the jury you believe -- No I don't think that's just simply more of her trying to manipulate our perceptions Megan.
That she's a very caring person and therefore by extension wouldn't to have a premed you know done something like this on a premeditated bases.
The jury has spoken on that when Phil thank you.
By the way by -- -- dot com if you wanna see the full 45 minute interview.
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