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All right now convicted killer -- areas is on suicide watch in an Arizona jail on Wednesday -- jury found her guilty of first degree murder.
Now twelve of our peers will decide whether she should die for her crime so what could convince a jury to recommend the death penalty.
Susan Constantine is injury -- and doctor chuck Williams.
As a psychologist.
-- Drexel university's we'll take a look at this subpoena for ways welcome to you both today nice to have -- -- -- thanks for having -- and you've -- court season in our first question to you this this jury came in on Wednesday.
They were laughing kind of having -- conversation as they walked into the courtroom according to our producer that was inside.
And when they announced the verdict they did it with no hesitation at all.
What do you think this tells us about the dynamics at play here for this jury specifically.
Well this tells you that there -- a sense of relief when they were laughing they felt light hearted.
The pressure was taken off of their shoulders.
And these are very gallant this is -- authoritarian jurors these are the ones that could actually take the needle and injected themselves.
So what is the best relief for and that was really a great feeling that it's finally Melbourne down -- And they found that she was guilty and you know what.
They are okay you -- that that's what I'm saying.
It sounds like you're saying it in your mind as amenities a look at juries you would not be surprised.
-- they came back with the death penalty based on what we've seen in the case so far.
Without hesitation doctor checked even say might.
Well I think.
I agree with some of the points that -- colleague made mainly there is a sense of relief.
They had this huge gargantuan task in front of them to decide whether or not someone would be convicted of probably the most serious crime a person to be convicted of and our criminal justice system system which is murder so his sense of relief.
They've done their job in terms of that but now the second pars a little bit harder.
Making a decision whether or not a person should live or die you know that's not an easy thing to do and as we know.
Most juries tend to shy away from -- especially when.
Of weapons of getting the death.
Penalty new executive doctor -- -- we have to remember too that these people.
Are now much different than the people they were when they first walked into the courtroom so many months ago -- what -- been there they've heard this horrific case say seeing some grisly photos.
Some of the worst of the worst things that you can possibly seen.
How do you think that affects their mental state and -- -- their ability to to make this sort of decision.
-- that's -- really good question we don't talk about that enough.
And if you can think about this are looking at these gory pictures stay here in the gory details of this tragic unconscionable act between these two people.
Obviously resulting in the untimely death -- this young man duties ex boyfriend so I think to some extent there's some numbness but also.
There could be some trauma that they say that if you read about the reports of jurors who have to do this kind of work they talk about insomnia anxiety depression.
So it's you know no wonder that at this point at our society we haven't really.
Talk about this before and provided some sort of psychological counseling in debriefing to -- juries because they're gone through a hell of a lot.
To do their civic duty that's right Susan what about this break we we thought that we were gonna start the next phase of the child yesterday but that's been delayed now for a few days.
What do you think that break we'll do forum for these jurors.
Well you know it's one of say that I and it can't actually re traumatize them there's no doubt about that -- -- they're trying to break away they're trying to get back into the normal life again and all the and it's faulted again.
So there's going to be frustration and anxiety that happens but here's the thing that I'd like ten and ten.
These jurors -- death qualified meaning they go through individual boy -- can beat her and whether they could inject or not they inject any element that but whether they -- hearing at a depth how they.
So unless they have a scale from one to 51 B missile lowest five being the highest you're looking for people that say that they can't.
So that's telling me a little bit about their demeanor but I agree with my colleague here -- They can't meet from up from -- there's been a dramatic trying to magnet there and it happens a lot of time you have.
It's -- you know if I'm not surprised they don't have post -- stress cinder math.
Doctor do you worry.
About how that could impact the decision that they're eventually going to make.
I mean definitely I worry about the impact on the decision but more importantly is a mental health professional I worry about that -- people.
Again as I said looking at these pictures here in the gory details that would have an impact on anyone and those situations we provide mental health counseling debriefing.
But again it's one thing they say that you've committed to being able to send someone to the death chair whatever this may be in this state.
Put the needle in the arm as my colleague says it's another thing that actually decide to make that happen most humans have a problem with that the research shows that they.
Tend to shy away especially as it relates to convicted women to die.
Doctor checking season thank you so much we have to remember that the facts of the case the cold hard facts is that.
And they are grisly they are horrific -- what they aren't we can't change and I know this jury certainly has had to confront all of that.
I would look for to have you both back thank you so much for the time today thank you -- thank you.
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