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-- -- in my -- round that this was.
The first and only time this had ever happened where someone from.
The State Department accompanied a congressional visit and you -- instructed specifically.
By the State Department.
Do you not talk to congressman -- -- -- anyone on the committee delegation was there without this lawyer being present.
Well this week the whistle blowers from the State Department went before congress to tell their side of what happened in the events surrounding the attack on the US consulate -- -- Joining us now Republican congressman from Ohio and -- the house oversight and Government Reform Committee.
Jim Jordan welcome congressman great to have you here today.
Good to -- with you.
Let's talk about -- hearing a very emotional testimony there.
And we obviously learned some things that we didn't know before specifically on what we just heard a moment ago that they were pressured not to talk.
Yeah I mean the unprecedented.
Greg hicks did an outstanding job as did all the witnesses.
-- 22 years of service to our country at various diplomatic post around the world mr.
hicks testified that he had never.
Never had the State Department tell -- he could not give information to a member of congress without having a lawyer present for those discussions -- and this goes right to.
The top of the state department's Cheryl Mills is the one who called him after.
Congressman shape -- visit.
To ask what went what what took place there and why there was one classified briefing that the lawyer could not attend what happened in that briefing so goes right to.
Cheryl Mills counselor to the secretary.
-- staff to Hillary Clinton.
And that's what that that -- -- of the key things I think came from our hearings this past week when you learned of this what was your first reaction.
Well I kind of confirms what I think a lot of Americans suspect because you go back to -- to the to the whole video.
Changing the talking points as we've now learned twelve different editions.
You know you don't have to edit the truth.
Twelve different versions of these talking points where separate -- gave me ambassador rice goes out on the Sunday shows.
And misleads the American people know whether she knew it or not she definitely misled the American people that's won the other key facts.
From Wednesday's hearing is.
Demonstrably false narrative that she portrayed to the American people on Friday that was prove without a shadow of a doubt in Wednesday's hearing.
So it just sort of confirmed that when you had this going on to start.
Then we later learned when congressman shape it's takes a visit to Libya to find out what happened.
The idea that they're not gonna let him get the information in -- in -- straightforward way from from mr.
-- just kind of confirms what we all suspected what we're now beginning to learn based on how they edited the the talking points right from the get go.
Used just call it perhaps deliberately misleading.
Others -- staying it's an outright lie what the White House has been putting out there as far as the talking points.
Well it just underscores 11 final take away I think from Wednesday's meeting.
Even the Democrats Elijah Cummings ranking member on the committee.
Even the Democrats say we need more hearings we need ambassador rice in front of the committee under oath.
Answering questions from both Republicans and Democrat members of congress when he Secretary Clinton we -- secretary Clinton's chief of staff Cheryl Mills we need mr.
admirable we need those to those -- -- -- -- advisory review boards report.
All those people need to come forward.
Even the Democrats say we need additional hearings what's the likelihood though -- getting the former secretary of state to -- and testify again before congress.
I think it's strong in light of the clip you played in light of what what took place in the hearing Wednesday I think it's strong I think it's strong that we get ambassador rice there I think -- strong that we get.
Victoria new land.
Who was typically -- in those talking points.
I think it's -- -- it's strong that we get Cheryl Mills I think all those individuals now it warrants them coming forward and giving the American people.
Let me get your take on what do you think motivated.
These efforts to put out for example twelve different versions of the talking points.
What was behind this weird is this just where does this lead us -- what do we know about the real motives here.
Look look we will we'll find out what we get -- info on the committee and ask questions but obviously so selloff and -- look at the context in the context was.
We were about 5060 days before pretty important election.
That probably influences people's behavior you you get it's -- seems like it was driven by political considerations.
But again we'll know when we get these individuals in front of the committee under oath.
Answering questions from members of congress -- the American people can get the truth.
Congressman great to see you today thank you so much for joining us your insights.
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