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And welcome to FOX -- Sunday panel plus what Bill Kristol former democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich Kimberly Russell and Juan Williams a lot of news this week we talked about Syria we talked him up and Ghazi.
We touched on Boston.
IRS of course a very big story.
Another big story that really is beginning now to get some traction is immigration because.
The Senate Judiciary Committee began hearings and has started to mark up the bill that means that -- Legislate these -- write it and dad they have some like 300 amendments I have to go through in one day they went through about thirty.
Passed a bunch of them some of them bipartisan.
Have -- poison pills that were there.
There were at least that they did they were defeated.
Can your sense of of where this debate stands right.
Yet this is the tough part because this is a point at which the gang of eight which had agreed -- what they were -- or Democrats or Republicans that they're going to preserve the framework of course certain about the touchy part that's the -- -- get into the new ones you have all 300 of these amendments and you know guys like Marco Rubio the Republican from Florida who's helped spearhead this is said that he wants to improve the -- and he needs to be able to.
To go -- and talk about how he's doing that in part to keep.
Republicans and conservatives behind this but it's going to be constant pressure now every single day that there are addressing -- -- It to keep putting those poison pill amendments anyone how do you make that judgment does this preserve the framework does it does it rattle all the boats can they keep the support behind.
Mean they're bunch of issues they're gonna come out one of them is that there is some Liberal Democrats who want to withstand the family.
An exemption for allowing.
And family members to come into the country.
To same sex couples and that's one that would cause real heartburn for conservatives -- poison pill.
Are there are others out there that you look at you say man this is going to be a key one that's gonna split and we you know where will the -- -- There to do that -- it's obviously path for citizenship I mean they're Republicans on the committee that would simply like to make.
Are the potential for certain immigrants to -- -- path to citizenship that's a key aspect of the framework and that we'll have to be preserved for the -- to go forward.
The other one on the other side as the guest worker programs that are Liberal Democrats who.
Listening to their unions do not want a guest worker program they feel as -- this guest workers come in and take union jobs that they can't be unionized so they're pushing to.
Diminish that program that happens there will also that will help upset the -- Congressman Kucinich is how many years were you an -- 1616.
Years in the house.
Your sense of where this stands and particularly because as hard as this is in the senate that's the easy part away compared to what happens when you have.
The Republican majority in the house.
There are some across.
-- and immigration issue.
If we just heard some about.
The -- workers -- path to citizenship.
But I'll tell you one thing that I think is is hanging over -- that really doesn't have much discussion but it needs to.
And that is that most of these workers who came to who in his country undocumented.
Where there because they were providing cheap labor.
-- think about it they're being asked in some of these bills to pay a fine.
We make the companies.
Who got the benefit of their cheap labor.
Paid a fine.
Consistent this is an economic issues I never gonna happen well you know what -- but it needs to be raised because that's it not been I don't I don't a couple of conservatives are gonna cite these guys broke the law tough.
They they -- -- -- all they absolutely.
No question about that but at the same time what about the corporations were profiting from having.
People who work for them at it you who -- controlled workforce working for cheap wages under conditions that were bad.
What about the corporate responsibility here because once you get to corporate responsibility.
Then I think you can find a way to have an immigration bill -- make sense.
Well this once solidly the issue though bill I mean you're gonna have cross references you're gonna have people from the right.
We're going to be saying there should be no legalization at all because under this bill.
As soon as the don't department of homeland skirted the administration announces a plan.
A plan for border security did all the illegals eleven million get big get for visionary legal status which basically means -- in the country legally.
So you're gonna get shot from the right saying -- no they shouldn't get that until the border is actually secure and up the plant and now you've got some of the criticism from the left.
Now I think these are actually genuine.
Policy issues in many cases policy dilemmas I sort of again -- to -- agree -- that.
The corporations may have broken the law to as well as the people who came across the border they knowingly hired people -- who who were illegal.
So that's perfectly fair to ask we actually have a piece on this that instead there are some couples to I -- that you point out that the but I think is the key obstacle.
For sensible there's certain number Republicans house just me against it period or who are against any path to citizenship and -- a lot of Republicans in the house would like to deal -- this issue.
Would feel a lot better about a bill.
That did do the border security in the accident she visas and that sort of thing first and then two or three years from now had.
And the bill right now has legalization -- citizenship -- just legalization.
In other ways to let that mouth -- and by the enemy I don't know I didn't and the rationale for having to say is because there there is a magnet issue here which we learn from 1986 there is a question of when people see that in the coming in illegally means -- ultimately get -- an awful lot more people wanna commend.
So maybe you want to get your border security.
Drags an entry provisions and airports -- Don the first and -- that will be I believe the core.
You know sensible conservative objection in the house but the with the idea will say that there's going to be a deadline and I think it's the end of last year right so that -- UK if you rush into the country now when you can't prove that you're in the country in December 2012.
You're not eligible for legalization of a -- Huckabee over on this bill but the message that the bill is sending is if you come in next year you know wait a few years in the the other piece of legislation that -- legalize you.
And that's why some conservatives would really like to make sure the border situation resolved before -- -- path to legalization opens up.
Well I'm glad you got -- early not a product that.
I got like a you know I don't know fascinate is at -- Happy all the lines and a bass line hey we come back soon.
Let me -- that you know from my perspective the conversation is off.
Gear here today because -- look at what's gone on so far and people like Grassley come forward with amendments.
Bipartisan support people are trying to keep the gang of -- deal in place.
The criticism that really I think occupy the news this week came from heritage heritage put out a report that said.
You know what are allowing all these folks -- pathway to citizenship is going to cost the country money at a time when we're fighting huge deficits and we can't afford.
And the response did not come from the predictable pockets but from mainline Republicans -- that that report is wrong and it.
And should not be interpreted in the way it has Americans for Tax Reform carried out Mankato Haley Barbour absolute.
Everybody's that that is wrong that was news to me.
The second -- to -- -- on this front has been the author of the report was implicated and apparently saying Hispanics are not as Smart as white people.
He's subsequently resign I think that was a big moment here in terms of what's happening on the immigration reform now at the some of these things about Americans and jobs.
You know in fact Marco Rubio has put into the bill.
-- standard that says if the job can be filled by an American hat first it has offered to Americans that can be built by Americans Americans be given the job.
So this idea that somehow the illegals and it.
Hate that -- again doesn't make sense but -- Public that no serious economist thinks if you add ten million.
Low income workers to the system it doesn't hurt native born American not much I don't know I don't want to.
Where we're gonna take on gonna pick the -- and I think it's just not there I mean you would have the farmers and let's -- congress thing we need these folks.
If it back there with a surplus of Americans that don't.
Thank you -- us.
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