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Ross is a new developments to tell you about on the other controversy that is brewing this Sunday morning and that is the IRS targeting.
Of conservative groups leading up to the 2012 election.
Fox is not confirming that high ranking officials knew of that target and as early S 2011.
Eighteen months before last November's presidential election targeting that apparently focused on groups with names like Tea Party.
Patriots and 912 coalition.
The government watchdog report shows that Lewis -- this woman she runs the -- is division that oversees all tax exempt groups.
She found out about this targeting during a meeting in June of 2011.
White house Press Secretary Jay Carney releasing a statement in the last hour about all they're saying President Obama quote.
-- concern that the conduct of a small number of the internal revenue service employees may have fallen short of that standard the statement goes on to say quote.
If the inspector general finds that there were any rules broken or that conduct of government officials did not meet the standards required of them.
The president expects that swift and appropriate steps will be taken to address any misconduct.
Was this the ominous power of the nation's federal taxing authority abused for political purposes to -- the president's critics.
Where this listing simply a standard bureaucratic way to oversee many diverse tax exempt groups.
We just and safe he was a spokesman for former governor -- -- bush.
And Richard good stand former advisor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign just -- And Richard good morning thank -- for international -- just let me start with -- we just heard the statement from Jay -- calling -- -- small number of employees.
But they also say these seem to be some of the most senior officials of the Harris.
Well and it's typical again the president Obama's administration's been trying to isolate just those small number of employees however.
It -- does go to the fact of what is the culture at the I arrests.
That anyone in the IRS in the Obama administration would think that the word patriot would be used to give it additional scrutiny.
An additional inquiry to groups that had the word patriot and what's even more offensive to me is that even once those senior RS officials found out this was being done.
They changed it and they -- -- making a -- by -- the groups to get higher scrutiny if they were trying to educate voters on the bill of rights in the constitution.
I wanna know what the what at the RS is so what they found so offensive about the First Amendment and the Second Amendment in the bill of rights that they felt that it was okay.
To do that I think it was good for Jake already come out the state within the last hour but I also think the President Obama needs to address this issue personally.
Or else it's going to be seen as a wink and a nod to the IRS that this was okay.
Richard you think they did anything wrong.
Let's look at the facts Eric.
A 501 C for war that's the organizations -- being investigated here is a social wealth -- organization.
AE RP fraternal order of police.
So that -- tax exempt status the question is was a Tea Party group.
A social welfare group that's kind of a factual question we don't really know the answer but I think there were some expectations -- there were 300 applications.
-- -- those that were kind of investigated that had.
Tea Party or something like that in its name the other three quarters had nothing to do with this so called a political attack.
Second lowest -- the person in charge of this -- to tax exempt groups with three levels down from the IRS commissioner.
Who with himself a bush appointee for a six year term.
She says she never talk with a single person from the Obama administration that these were career people.
Doing this analysis so the notion that you could take from career people actually doing what I think was a pretty efficient way to -- to wasn't who -- -- legitimate social welfare group.
Their boss -- three levels down from a commissioner who -- -- bush appointee at the -- saying Barack Obama.
-- responsible for this.
That's a bit much I think even by.
Standards of anybody who's watching this program.
Well Doug Schulman the IRS commissioner may have been the bush appointee but he's serving and how to -- Obama and -- 2012.
He and march he was and capital -- Imus was like Eric if that suggests that he was doing political bidding.
Incidentally he denies knowing about this so this that -- everybody's kind of making all these -- based on nothing.
On one just that's just even surmise it's just our profits -- the -- All the facts we have now.
Connection with any political appointee with the Obama administration I know it looks you know on -- face it oh my god -- -- going after Tea Party.
It it that's just unsubstantiated right now Johnson is an unsubstantiated -- it's like much ado about nothing.
No it's actually not have substantiated the distributed inspector general's report that's gonna come out and we already know that some of the facts.
Of that inspector general report that come on media reports and it is true that the groups that the IRS targeted groups that had the -- patriot and they changed when they found out about it to target the groups that were trying to educate voters on the constitution the bill of rights.
That's an indisputable and the fact of the matter is is there was some culture apparently -- -- -- -- people thought that this was okay.
If this was it that ACLU or this -- -- liberal groups they that people would be open arms and president -- caught would have made a statement about this already.
So I don't think it's much ado about nothing the American people deserve to know the answers the First Amendment protection the First Amendment is -- vitally important.
And it the American people think of the -- -- -- use as a tool to silence and Chris the two to scrutinize.
Groups that are expressing their first amendment rights that we'll have a chill on the First Amendment that will make this country.
A place that people can feel free to express their opinion.
Richard do we know of any -- liberal groups were were targeted of these five of one.
Three c.s that are the dealing with this and looking got organizing for America that was the president's reelection effort -- organizing for action right now.
Are they being investigated for pull potential political abuse of their tax exempt status have a move on -- board -- the Center for American Progress founded by John Podesta.
I you mentioned 300 groups any of those groups and that lists that were looked at doing now.
Here's what we do know we know of the 300.
Only one quarter.
Had anything like patriot Tea Party -- their name we actually don't know the rest of this.
I bet you I would submit to you that there probably are groups that would.
That were on the left there were part of that is well because we -- to everybody who was on the right which feeling the heat and was raising -- about this and that was one quarter of the 300.
So I'm sure the facts will come out Eric.
You're raising a perfectly and we heard from the people on the left and they said yeah well and what we've gotten -- we -- -- those reports along.
Well again remember there was not a single.
Group whose tax exempt status with restricted.
By virtue of this so called investigation.
By -- IRS employees not -- and most of -- -- approved a few withdraw them but there was not a single line that was rejected so again.
We're kind of going sort of hypothesis on top of hypothesis here.
Based on just -- No sort of surmise based again there's just aren't the facts to support it they will come out there were able to find out that.
Yeah there was number of groups there was there were a number of groups that withdrew their application.
And so we don't know whether this additional scrutiny by the -- forced those troops to withdraw our application or -- didn't -- at -- Can tell you know they mean I don't know it's chipped it -- -- -- night on this hello we'll see Richard about the -- surmise that house Ways and Means Committee is demanding information by this Wednesday.
So -- issue is not going away Johnson and Richard thanks for joining us this year.
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