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Hello again -- happy -- today from Fox News in Washington.
The controversy over the bank -- talking points -- the Obama administration explain the attack to the American people.
Blew up again this week with new revelations about how those points more records.
It turns out the original -- talked about extremists with links to al-Qaeda and out of the CIA had warned for months about threats and bank Gaza.
But all that was taken out before -- Susan Rice went on the Sunday talk -- house.
We've invited congressman from two key house panels Mike Rogers the Republican Sarah -- intelligence committee.
And from Seattle items -- the top Democrat.
On the armed services committee congressman Rogers you were on FOX News Sunday.
September 16 right after -- Susan rise came on the show and she said it was a spontaneous reaction to a video.
That'd been hijacked by extremists from the very beginning you doubted her account let's watch.
I have serious questions it seemed to be a military style coordinated.
I just suspect that they could come to that conclusion so -- of the -- that it was a spontaneous effort given the coordination.
Congressman and after what you learned this week the fact.
Of what the State Department officials will saying we're saying during the attack how often and dramatically the talking points were changed.
Did the Obama administration.
Or even -- to the.
That in fact that it was a terrorist attack and that's what led me to my statements on -- following Sunday.
And we know that there was.
At least the general consensus at the time going into the sixteenth was yes it was a terrorist attack.
But they change the narrative and I think that's what the investigation needs to focus on.
Why did they change the narrative did -- have a consequence and I think those are really important questions to and what's your answer to both of the -- well obviously change the narrative well clearly some of the early indication is that they didn't want to the narrative that it was a terrorist attack on their watch clearly that what it appears to be.
But again that's what a thorough investigation should determine and did that culture of that not wanting to be what it was.
To the lowering of the security standards -- other things that is a very important question that the investigations of all the committees need to -- need to find the answer to.
Congressman -- you contradicted the administration's talking points even before Susan Rice went out on September 16 in fact on September 14 here's what you said.
Mobs don't come -- and a top guns blazing I think that there is a growing consensus.
It was pre planned so let me ask you the same question after this week's revelations.
Did the Obama administration mislead the American people.
I really don't think so I think when you look at what was said in totality in that week.
And they didn't reach conclusions.
The way you just presented that was that by the Sunday afterwards that the administration said here's what happens here's our conclusion.
Mean look the day after the take the attack the president called -- -- terrorist attack Susan writes in those interviews on Sunday.
Described violent extremist elements who took over the attack.
So I really think that this is this is just become a very very partisan focused its.
By the Republicans investigating this and -- trying to figure out exactly what happened the most interest in question to me.
Is -- -- these violent extremist elements that I know Mike's done a tunnel work on this in the Intel committee.
As al-Qaeda has metastasized.
Beyond just what was in Pakistan and Yemen.
As a whole bunch of groups out there we don't have as much information as we need to about which -- start at running back but -- have been Gaza as much as anything but the president.
Never said no terrorism no al-Qaeda there was a dispute about how soon.
To -- to specific conclusions.
That now is being made a bit into Watergate and -- can't Contra.
I think the desire of the Republicans to create a scandal here has really undermined in the ability to have a credible look at what actually happened.
Congressman's that the let me pushed back on -- on several of those points we now know I'm not surprised -- -- Well I I I that is what I'm here force there -- not a lot of slant on -- now some questions.
We we now know that there were eleven different versions of the talking points eleven different version wall.
May I just please -- had in the 24 hours before.
Ambassador rice went on the Sunday talk -- -- dozen versions and all.
We now know the Victorian -- the spokesperson for the State Department demanded all references.
To al-Qaeda links and all references to earlier warnings for -- months from the CIA.
He deleted here's what the White House spokesman Jay Carney told the media told the country last November.
The White House and State Department.
And make clear that the single adjustment was made those talking points by either of those two of these two institutions -- changing the work consulate.
The diplomatic facility because consulate was inaccurate.
Congressman that's not the truth that wasn't the only change at the White House and State Department -- Well luxury that word but unquestionably.
A dispute as you said in the opening between the CIA in the State Department exactly what to put into the state -- into this statement.
Now who changed what win.
The dispute is clear the dispute was how soon to -- at the conclusion about specific groups.
Being involved in simple simple question if I -- -- simple question it was Jay Carney telling the truth.
On November when he said the State Department and the White House made one stylistic change.
But that the -- I don't I don't know specifically cool Jay Carney was referring to he said the White House and State Department seems pretty self evident.
But I don't know specifically which person he was talking you look clearly there were more changes made in in his statement made what Jay Carney knew about who made those at that particular moment but again.
We're talking about talking points is no question this was a terrorist attack.
They didn't deny it I would much rather.
Given to investigation of the groups that threaten the US how to figure out who they are and how we can stop them -- -- -- debating how one memo was put together in the immediate days after the attack.
That's -- let's pick up on that congressman Rogers the fact is here we are eight plus months later not a single person has been brought to justice.
Not a single person has been brought to justice for the bank Gaza attack.
Has the administration done everything it could.
And does the fact that these people of one -- play a role in the fact that we're now seeing militias running wild and US personnel being pulled out of out of -- of Libya.
I mean the short answer is I -- -- -- the tells me I'm not happy with the progress of the investigation.
We have a serious problem the more time that grew between the actual event and bringing those who -- responsible to justice causes us.
National security troubles overseas one of the 9/11 commission findings.
Was that in fact.
Though that because we did not react to the USS Cole bombing.
That in bold and al-Qaeda -- which what they believe was a contributing factor leading to the 9/11 event they believe that they had cover to do what they needed to do.
And when you look at the trouble in al-Qaeda in the -- gravel all across northern Africa including Libya.
The trouble is growing it's not getting -- And we're we're seeing a more regional effort for these folks to move around the fact that we haven't taken that step I think is critically important.
And it's a problem critically important problem -- I want to get to this point though that congressman Smith brings up which is the idea this is all politics and we learned this week that former Vice President Cheney.
Visited with a house Republicans and suggested recommended.
That Hillary Clinton be subpoenaed to testify again.
And and too conservative groups came up this week went up with the attack ads linking Clinton to bank Gaza let's look.
Secretary of state Hillary Clinton is pleased to -- Ambassadors to and it -- Acts of terrorism by briefed her own development yet two days later Secretary Clinton and others blamed protesters -- an awful.
Internet video that we had nothing to do it.
Congressman Rogers that -- makes it -- political.
Well certainly I think people are gonna take advantage of every situation and make it political I don't think you can say about the committee's investigation -- clearly have been.
A part of this investigation.
Since the beginning.
I doubt anyone can say we've been -- partisan or political in this I do believe you have to have a fact based investigation.
And I think that's what we are doing.
Matter of fact the people who testified these are these are serious twenty year veterans at least in one case.
Of the State Department who have -- who felt so strongly they wanted to come out and testified and I will tell you.
We have had people come forward because of the testimony and -- we would also like to talk.
We feel a little bit intimidated by this but we -- we have information we think is valuable so what -- whistle blowers I do think we're gonna see more whistle -- I don't certainly in my committee has been contact that I think others committees has as well.
I wanna tell and I want to turn -- Syria.
Congressman Rogers there are now reports of the Assad regime.
Is beginning to turn the tide is gaining ground in the civil war in Syria and there was a terrible car bomb attacks to bombs went off.
Yesterday on the border between Syria and Turkey that killed more than forty people.
Is a -- now when it.
I can't say -- I can't say for sure he's winning I'll tell you what's happening is Iran has gone into full proxy mode in Syria.
They believe they have a lot to lose so now we see the regular has -- units some in uniform.
Standing aside of the -- forces in fighting has bolstered the regime's capability to continue to fight.
What you're seeing is a drawing in -- of a regional conflict this is dangerous and it's deteriorating rapidly.
The refugee problem some 800000 in Turkey.
Over a 100000 in Jordan Lebanon -- haven't problems.
Now is the time for US leadership on this particular issue before this problem -- well I want to pick up on that -- you congressman -- because you say you're not sure you're still not sure whether or not the US needs to get involved militarily.
Does not mean that we stand by and watch the slaughter continue.
And watch the violence spread -- surrounding countries like Turkey and Jordan.
What your question and then congressman rogers' comments implies that there is some specific military option and I wide open dude Mike has won.
That's gonna make the situation better but I have met with DOD officials I have looked at what the options -- the way the civil war is going.
At how fractured the opposition is that how al-Qaeda is a huge part of that opposition.
And it's not that I'm not sure right now my position as if we -- to go in there and try to armed rebel groups.
It would make the situation worse than there have been enormous risk of also getting -- into a war that we don't.
Know the first thing about how would come out and second that we would wind up arming groups and individuals that would wind up threatening.
-- -- This is a terrible humanitarian crisis I agree with that.
What's been absence from a lot of the criticism is what is the specific US military plan.
That makes -- -- better.
Real quickly I'm gonna get -- -- I -- I wanna get to the IRS congressman Robin briefly nobody is calling for military action in Syria -- -- the water are there are some great options and Adam I think you know those and we shouldn't even debate this is not something we should be arguing about.
There that Arab League partners have lost confidence in the United States they're asking us not to be on the ground they don't want our boots on the ground.
-- but they -- they need help coordinating the effort between the Arab League partners.
Who are in fact already giving weapons to the opposition the problem is they're getting to places that we don't want him gentlemen I actually not I that is I just gotta say we broke illustration is absolutely doing that there are coordinating with the Arab -- when I know -- that we just you know -- don't know -- I met with King Abdullah and others and he said look we're working with the White House they are involved in those discussions on that there aren't that.
You can continue this conversation but I really wanna get both of you on the record about the IRS.
-- -- dramatic developments this week.
We -- have limited time added the IRS admits that it targeted.
-- Tea Party.
Other conservative patriot.
That had that in their name for extra scrutiny and it now turns out tonight new reports.
That some officials within the IRS knew about this as early as twenty a -- but not 2012.
And they -- then IRS commissioner flatly deny that in the spring of 2012.
Congressman -- you first your reaction.
It's -- the first I'm hearing -- -- and as with many of these things I'm not -- leap to conclusions based on initial reports.
You know we need to look and see exactly what happened before we can lead to a conclusions and started -- people things I think it definitely is worth looking into right now the information is far far too preliminary to to -- any conclusions.
Congressman -- -- the conclusion that the IRS came to is that they did have agents who were engaged in intimidation of political groups.
Is as dangerous a problem the government can -- out of and I don't care if you're conservative -- liberal.
Democrat or Republican.
This should send a chill up your spine this is something that we cannot let -- -- needs to have a full investigation I don't know where it stops -- who's involved.
Who ever is involved through a fact based investigation and -- has to be external.
They've clearly shown that they can't do it themselves.
And I think congress needs to have that oversight and I also want to invite -- my good friend by the way down to the intelligence base so that we can talk about the real capabilities we have that does not include military action.
That our Arab League partners are asking for in Syria and we have not been able to deliver -- -- -- can all get to this can only come with our Fox's cameras have to.
Well I would Adam neither adult nor I look -- those orange jumpsuits with the numbers on the back I don't know her that reprieve congressman Rogers congress does that -- -- -- -- -- also much for coming in today.
We'll stay on top of all these storage lot on -- tonight thank you.
Thanks for the chance to thank them.
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